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[LivingTheDream]

You are correct except for the fact that Kyle rittenhouse was breaking the law as well. He was in Illinois which explicitly bans open carry of any kind, which he was doing. As far as I saw the Minnesota guy was fully legal except for not having his concealed carry license on him (which he did have, just not on his person) whereas Kyle wasn’t even old enough to get a concealed carry permit, didn’t have one, and was open carrying in a state where open carry is illegal, and was 17 years old, meaning he couldn’t even legally own a gun in Illinois.

I’m also not for any of these shootings and the protestors in Minneapolis are getting insane, but I think ICE is also insane for gassing civilians in areas near children’s parks and homes where people not even protesting could potentially die from the gas, plus it’s a literal war crime to even use on military combatants.

Kenosha is in Illinois?

Also, nice job being cute on tear gas being illegal in war, however the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention explicitly excludes "law enforcement including domestic riot control" from its ban, permitting police to use tear gas.

Please tell us more about understanding of the law and the events that took place, your subject matter expertise is greatly needed.

 

[Rifleman97]

Lol if the comparison was accurate. And its not.
Everyone just uses the holocaust like a weapon against white people.

While the end results of ww2 were bad. Why is it we only ever are allowed to talk about the jews that died?

Why not the millions of ethnic germans exterminated by the jewish bolshevics. Or the christians. The holodomor and starvation if an entire nation. All at the hands of a jewish bolshevic movement.
Or the war crimes commited by the allies or japanese. All get brushed aside for 1 small group to take center stage.

The german empire was overhtrown by bolsheviks.
The friecorp formed to fight them
Nsdap formed after with elements of friecorp and absorbed them. Becsuse they all saw what the civil war did after ww1 to germany.

Hell this convo is a prison sentance in 17 countries.

Germany may not have done things the best way (their first ootion was deportation to east africa but brits stopped it) but it is a natural reaction to an existential threat. And no one should be just killed for existing.

But when a problem is pervasive enough groups trend to paint with broad brushes.

And im not going to be burdend with another countries sins like its my fault it happened. USA liberated those ungrateful bastards. And we keep getting brow beat with it to accept our cultural extermination.
And if loving my nation (USA) culture and heritige makes me a bad guy. Ill wear that shoe whatever label you put on it.


All persons BORN or NATURALIZED in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


so no fam.... illegals are not constitutionally protected. And need be shown the door.

Illegals ARE constitutionally protected. ALL PERSONS are protected by the constitution regardless of where they are from, where they are citizens of, whether or not they came her legally. This is literally one of the topics to study for if you want to pass the BAR and be a lawyer.

Regarding the Jews, it’s not because they are the only ones talked about or allowed to talk about. They were simply the primary hatred of their leader and were killed in numbers much more than the rest.

“Germany may not have done things the best way (their first option was deportation to east africa but brits stopped it) but it is a natural reaction to an existential threat“

Holy shit dude, are you seriously siding with hitler’s desire to remove undesirable races from a country??

 

[Rifleman97]

Kenosha is in Illinois?

Also, nice job being cute on tear gas being illegal in war, however the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention explicitly excludes "law enforcement including domestic riot control" from its ban, permitting police to use tear gas.

Please tell us more about understanding of the law and the events that took place, your subject matter expertise is greatly needed.

The gas I am referring to was NOT tear gas.

 

[Rifleman97]

Kenosha is in Illinois?

Also, nice job being cute on tear gas being illegal in war, however the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention explicitly excludes "law enforcement including domestic riot control" from its ban, permitting police to use tear gas.

Please tell us more about understanding of the law and the events that took place, your subject matter expertise is greatly needed.

He left his home in Illinois with the weapon he had under his possession illegally (since he was underage and cannot own one in Illinois) and crossed state lines into Kenosha.

 

[shootist~]

And Kyle Rittenhouse was trying to avoid conflict at the time. Even tried to flag down LE for help prior to the shooting. But when a convicted criminal tried to bash his brains out with a brick, he did what a reasonable person would do. Defended himself.

 

[Rifleman97]

It's obvious you didn't pay attention to the lawlessness under the Biden administration.

I did, and his entire term had less lawlessness than rhe most recent 6 months of Trump. And by the way, one person killing someone doesn’t make another person you like killing someone okay. So why does Biden’s lawlessness have anything to do with trumps? Send both the fuckers to prison to spend the rest of their short lives.

 

[LivingTheDream]

He left his home in Illinois with the weapon he had under his possession illegally (since he was underage and cannot own one in Illinois) and crossed state lines into Kenosha.

So explain to be how he broke Illinois law while in Wisconsin?

 

[farmer_john]

Illegals ARE constitutionally protected. ALL PERSONS are protected by the constitution regardless of where they are from, where they are citizens of, whether or not they came her legally. This is literally one of the topics to study for if you want to pass the BAR and be a lawyer.

Regarding the Jews, it’s not because they are the only ones talked about or allowed to talk about. They were simply the primary hatred of their leader and were killed in numbers much more than the rest.

“Germany may not have done things the best way (their first option was deportation to east africa but brits stopped it) but it is a natural reaction to an existential threat“

Holy shit dude, are you seriously siding with hitler’s desire to remove undesirable races from a country??

Why should I care? Not my country was not my time.

And we allow genocide to happen all the time without batting an eye. So who cares.
And why is it all the time used as a weapon against anyone politically to the right of lenin. And loves their country. Kick rocks with the manufactured outrage


I do side with taking people who are not here legally and not contributing to my country and sending them home. So they can fix their country instead of destroying mine

 

[LivingTheDream]

The gas I am referring to was NOT tear gas.

Ok please provide details.

 

[pilar]

It’s a widely reported issue not one soldier. I’ve never owned a 320 so have zero 1st hand knowledge. There are many videos on the Internet of people going through the motions to duplicate it and the gun going off with nothing near the trigger.

P.S. my larger point was that officials would be better served waiting till all the facts are in before going on live TV saying he was going to take out all the ICE agents. I just brought that Sig in as one of those possibilities to chase down before stepping up to the mic.

Don’t drop them ! That’s when they have problems.
I used a S&W M910 in 9mm and an Sig Sauer P229 DAK in .40 S&W. On the boat & shore and never ever had a negligent misfire .
Sue King our firearms instructor used a Glock and purposely ran 5000+ rounds with out servicing it and routinely would drop it on the ground before the rep sent it back to Glock for examination.

 

[1dirthawker]

They are here illegally, and break our laws. As far as I'm concerned they can use whatever methods necessary to achieve the end game.

i am going to have to disagree with this statement. just like laws have been broken and the aliens are in our country have broken the law, does not mean enforcement agencies should break the law to round them up.

i agree, ship em out, but unlawful activity (like rioters) does not allow or condone unlawful activity (invading a home without a warrant) to remove them.

 

[pilar]

Ok please provide details.

Probably foo gas ? If you follow his train of thoughts

 

[1dirthawker]

Secondly people here illegally should have as much due process as someone kicking in my door at 3 am...
Due process should be reserved for those who are either US CITIZENS. or people who entered usa legally as guests. Everyone else is a home invader that needs to be forcibly tossed out un appologetically.

They should be detained and immediatly deported.

But i still dont think lethal force should be presented unless in response to lethal force used.

agreed

 

[Brent in Az]

i am going to have to disagree with this statement. just like laws have been broken and the aliens are in our country have broken the law, does not mean enforcement agencies should break the law to round them up.

i agree, ship em out, but unlawful activity (like rioters) does not allow or condone unlawful activity (invading a home without a warrant) to remove them.

All I can say to people who have an issue with the way ICE is operating, is go sneak into another country illegally, and see how they treat you when you are caught.

 

[Tanks]

Don’t drop them ! That’s when they have problems.
I used a S&W M910 in 9mm and an Sig Sauer P229 DAK in .40 S&W. On the boat & shore and never ever had a negligent misfire .

Both of those guns are DA/SA guns and completely different. 320 is striker fired. Also, a handgun is not supposed to fire when dropped. Passing a drop test is one the requirements of firearm approval for a number of agencies.

 

[1dirthawker]

Whether you have been radicalized into believing that most immigrants are like that or not, (the statistics show most of them are not like that and have lower rates of crime than US citizens

back to my point, would you allow anyone to treat your family poorly by spitting, pushing, shoving air horns in their face, etc? i doubt it.

you were justifying a different point. whether the illegal conducts crime at a lower rate than a native citizen or not, IF THEY WERE NOT HERE, THEY WOULD CONDUCT NO CRIME! not a lower rate, NONE.

 

[mdwest]

Illegals ARE constitutionally protected. ALL PERSONS are protected by the constitution regardless of where they are from, where they are citizens of, whether or not they came her legally. This is literally one of the topics to study for if you want to pass the BAR and be a lawyer.

Regarding the Jews, it’s not because they are the only ones talked about or allowed to talk about. They were simply the primary hatred of their leader and were killed in numbers much more than the rest.

“Germany may not have done things the best way (their first option was deportation to east africa but brits stopped it) but it is a natural reaction to an existential threat“

Holy shit dude, are you seriously siding with hitler’s desire to remove undesirable races from a country??

You are clearly not a lawyer…

Some rights are protected for illegals, but not all… they are certainly NOT blanket covered by the constitution…

For example, the courts have determined that the 4th amendment applies to everyone within the borders of the US..

Illegals however are NOT protected by the 2nd amendment.. the courts have made it clear that they are not among “we the people”…

The courts have given illegals limited 1st amendment rights…

They have no rights under the 6th amendment other than for deportation hearings…

Etc etc…

So no… “all persons are protected by the constitution” is not something studied to pass the bar…

The truth is quite the opposite.. there are very strict limitations for the application of most of the US constitution when it comes to illegals…

Lexus-Nexus and Blacks Law are your friend… or perhaps do some reading of the Cornell law school publications or the Harvard Law Review… there’s plenty of information online… even from very liberal sources you’ll find they’re all in disagreement with you..

 

[barryk]

It’s a widely reported issue not one soldier. I’ve never owned a 320 so have zero 1st hand knowledge. There are many videos on the Internet of people going through the motions to duplicate it and the gun going off with nothing near the trigger.

P.S. my larger point was that officials would be better served waiting till all the facts are in before going on live TV saying he was going to take out all the ICE agents. I just brought that Sig in as one of those possibilities to chase down before stepping up to the mic.

I eventually settled on EDC with a 9mm SIG P365 after carrying a Glock 42 in .380 for several years, which I did my USCCA qualification with. Also carried Glock 22 (still have my first Gen 1) and I like Glocks reliability and performance. I am sold on both Glocks and SIG with a favoring toward the SIG. I have not owned or shot a P320 either but I understand there was a problem with a light spring associated with the striker. I don't know if SIG ever admitted an error but I believe there were some voluntary upgrades. My expeience with SIG is that they are a fine dependable weapon, and accurate.

 

[farmer_john]

You are clearly not a lawyer…

Some rights are protected for illegals, but not all… they are certainly NOT blanket covered by the constitution…

For example, the courts have determined that the 4th amendment applies to everyone within the borders of the US..

Illegals however are NOT protected by the 2nd amendment.. the courts have made it clear that they are not among “we the people”…

The courts have given illegals limited 1st amendment rights…

They have no rights under the 6th amendment..

Etc etc…

So no… “all persons are protected by the constitution” is not something studied to pass the bar…

The truth is quite the opposite..

Well see what scotus rules kn juristiction there of this year

 

[mdwest]

Well see what scotus rules kn juristiction there of this year

Point 1 - we have the most conservative SCOTUS in decades… do you really believe any of this changes?

Point 2 - ruling later this year doesn’t change the fact about what is law today…