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[Altitude sickness]

Exactly. Once you exaggerate your position or claim and it is known to be false. It undermines your entire viewpoint.

Noem immediately stating domestic terrorism is a stretch at best and undermines everything she said afterwards. Trump exaggerating that the officer was run over gives the opposition better footing.

Better to understate the facts for 72 hours

 

[LivingTheDream]

they met because ICE was gathering there and abusing power they do not constitutionally have by attempting to arrest a US citizen for charges they have no right to arrest over.

Care to expand?

Also, do you mind giving me the case law which the Supreme Court ruled that an officer can not use deadly force when in front of a vehicle. I would like to read majority opinion(s) and see how it applies to this case. I would appreciate it as it might change my opinion on if there should be charges.

 

[Flipper Dude]

Exactly. Once you exaggerate your position or claim and it is known to be false. It undermines your entire viewpoint.

Noem immediately stating domestic terrorism is a stretch at best and undermines everything she said afterwards. Trump exaggerating that the officer was run over gives the opposition better footing.

Better to understate the facts for 72 hours

Did you just say “Trump” and “better to understate the facts” in the same post?

 

[ActionBob]

The killing shot was through the lower right windshield angling upward. If you were a trained law-enforcement officer as you state, you know an officer has a split second when somebody comes at them with a knife or a car. They are not obligated to run.

I’m sure the officer now wishes he didn’t shoot. He most likely wishes she wasn’t threatening those same officers all day with that same vehicle. Using blocking maneuvers, aiming her vehicle at officers throughout the day.

He most certainly wishes that the ICE detainers issued were honored by local police so that ICE agents could simply, safely pick up the perps on their list from a local police department without needing to go into neighborhoods.

I’m sure he wishes tens of millions were not allowed into the country in the last four years and now need to be grabbed up and sent home.

Once again they caused the issue and then now complain about how the mess is cleaned up.

Biden‘s and liberal state policies put that officer in that position. Since Ferguson and the George Floyd riots. People think there are no consequences to that behavior so her death is really due to politicians telling them over the last 10 years. There are no consequences to anarchy.

I have to agree with most of this. Not sure how long that agent was in the employ of ICE, but I'm sure a lot of them are new hires "because of Biden policies" so perhaps some are grateful for that?

I personally have to really question the shooting. He could have easily moved aside but obviously wanted to stop her from leaving. She and her wife were obviously guilty of harassing those agents. But that does not carry the death penalty. If the agent was justified in his first shot, I can buy into that. But shots 2 and 3 as finishers? This is not supposed to be a cape buffalo hunt.

 

[Brent in Az]

There were a few hundred speed bumps.....oops....I meant anti- ICE protesters at the intersection not far away.
I drove by slowly yelling MAGA at the top of my lungs and gave them all the 1 finger salute. Exchanged pleasantries with one of them.
Senior citizens, nasty liberal women, and soy boy's
Commie pukes.

 

[Tanks]

have to agree with most of this. Not sure how long that agent was in the employ of ICE, but I'm sure a lot of them are new hires "because of Biden policies" so perhaps some are grateful for that?

From what I have read he was a 10+ year veteran of ICE. Incidentally; In a similar incident he was dragged by a car and got 33 stiches to his arm some months ago.

 

[barryk]

This shooting takes the public limelight off the scam but luckily the hounds are already loose on the trail of scammers. Some Somali fall guys will go to jail. No Democrat will be harmed financially or by the justice system. And zero of the billions bilked will be returned.

And that's the key takeaway..."No Democrat will be harmed financially or by the justice system." Nothing will ever change.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I have to agree with most of this. Not sure how long that agent was in the employ of ICE, but I'm sure a lot of them are new hires "because of Biden policies" so perhaps some are grateful for that?

I personally have to really question the shooting. He could have easily moved aside but obviously wanted to stop her from leaving. She and her wife were obviously guilty of harassing those agents. But that does not carry the death penalty. If the agent was justified in his first shot, I can buy into that. But shots 2 and 3 as finishers? This is not supposed to be a cape buffalo hunt.

I think the second and third shots could be a serious issue for the officer and the agency.

Also. People trying to stand up for the officer saying he may be jumpy because he was dragged by a car 6 months prior are harming his defense.

And that might be true, but it’s not a good legal defense for him or the agency. an attorney or prosecutor will argue that if that is the case, he should not have been on duty, so the Cash settlement will increase if he was on duty and shouldn’t have been

 

[Pheroze]

Greenland wants independence anyways

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/denmarks-greenland-dilemma-defending-territory-already-its-way-out-2026-01-10/

 

[Brent in Az]

Trump making lots of friends in the credit card industry......

 

[Mekaniks]

I have to agree with most of this. Not sure how long that agent was in the employ of ICE, but I'm sure a lot of them are new hires "because of Biden policies" so perhaps some are grateful for that?

I personally have to really question the shooting. He could have easily moved aside but obviously wanted to stop her from leaving. She and her wife were obviously guilty of harassing those agents. But that does not carry the death penalty. If the agent was justified in his first shot, I can buy into that. But shots 2 and 3 as finishers? This is not supposed to be a cape buffalo hunt.

In my limited training… I was taught that when the use of deadly force (using a firearm) is required in defense of a life, the use of that force continues until the threat has been fully removed….

 

[LivingTheDream]

Also. People trying to stand up for the officer saying he may be jumpy because he was dragged by a car 6 months prior are harming his defense

100% agree with this. Saying he is jumpy or suffering PTSD is about the opposite of a defense.

 

[John the Electrician]

I consider incidents like the woman who was shot by the ICE agent a statistical certainty. Let me explain.

If there are hundreds of thousands of protesters daily in multiple locations for hours and days on end, someone will get hurt. There are thousands of agents/officers being forced to make life altering split second decisions, one of them will make a mistake; regardless of training.

Another statistical example, let’s say it’s a one in ten million chance a person will become a serial killer. That means there are 34 serial killers in the USA right now.

I’m not taking anything away from this tragedy, but it’s not surprising this happened.

 

[Aaron N]

There were a few hundred speed bumps.....oops....I meant anti- ICE protesters at the intersection not far away.
I drove by slowly yelling MAGA at the top of my lungs and gave them all the 1 finger salute. Exchanged pleasantries with one of them.
Senior citizens, nasty liberal women, and soy boy's
Commie pukes.

Nothing like talking about running over your fellow citizens to make you sound tough and cool

 

[Aaron N]

I consider incidents like the woman who was shot by the ICE agent a statistical certainty. Let me explain.

If there are hundreds of thousands of protesters daily in multiple locations for hours and days on end, someone will get hurt. There are thousands of agents/officers being forced to make life altering split second decisions, one of them will make a mistake; regardless of training.

Another statistical example, let’s say it’s a one in ten million chance a person will become a serial killer. That means there are 34 serial killers in the USA right now.

I’m not taking anything away from this tragedy, but it’s not surprising this happened.

It’s like having a beaker of vinegar next to baking soda. Eventually someone’s going to pour it

 

[Brent in Az]

Nothing like talking about running over your fellow citizens to make you sound tough and cool

Yeah.....some of us are not the soft north of the border types.

 

[Roosterlund]

100%.. And I am disgusted that some here are making fun about this.. The ICEhole comitted murder.

I think the leftwing media is to blame here. They are portraying ICE as an evil force. When they are people doing there job sending illegals back to their country. Just like they condemn police for doing there jobs. Or being racist. Or blame the mayor from Minnesota. These are the ones getting people killed!!!!!! The majority of America voted to stop this infestation. Step aside and let them do their jobs

 

[SaintPanzer]

OK, so I've been trying to avoid the comments. Even after the good doctor weighed in, but I have some questions.

As an aside, I understand "the agent should not have stood in front of the vehicle", but several of the videos that start earlier show the agent as standing at about one o'clock, he was not "in front" until after the car started moving. Then the wheels went left, but it was too late. Entirely possible she turned away accelerating, saw the agent and tried to swerve, but by then it was too late. I'm not asserting this, mind you, merely raising the possibility.

This leads to my first question: For both sides, what additional facts (not opinions, facts) could arise that might make you change your opinion? For those who think it was a legal shoot, what would make you change your mind? For those who think it was an agent over-reacting, what additional fact might make you think otherwise?

Next question: I've seen many assert that ICE is unnecessary, out of control, or being used unjustly. Several of these assertions have been made by Congressmen and Senators... some very senior (I'm looking at you, Mr. Schumer). If these assertions are true, where is the bill placed before Congress to change ICE Authorities, change immigration law, or change the ability to deploy the agents? If it's so wrong, why are you pontificating before media outlets instead of doing the ONE thing within your authority to make the change? Even if such a bill did not advance, you could use the lack of an advance as evidence the "other side" was preventing change. If you had 49 co-sponsors, or 200-odd co-sponsors, you might have a valid point. But instead, all you are doing is stirring up trouble, not providing solutions.

Final question, and this is for the protesters. You are protesting the activities of agents acting within their authority. The can detain those who are reasonably suspected of breaking our immigration laws. That's literally their job. If you sincerely believe they are wrong to do that, why are you instead not protesting your Representatives and Senators for not changing the authorities? Wouldn't that literally be "petitioning the government for a redress of grievances?


Why are you making this theater and not real change?

 

[Aaron N]

Yeah.....some of us are not the soft north of the border types.

Glad to know you believe in the my way or the highway mentality of Mao or Stalin.

Shame on people for having opposing views

 

[Wheels]

I don’t really like getting into this sort of thing on the internet but the Supreme Court has ruled that an officer cannot put himself in front of a vehicle and then claim self defense when the vehicle starts to move towards him. On several occasions. In slow motion, all three shots were fired after the agent was to the side of the vehicle. He seemed to lean his chest over the vehicle as a way to intentionally make his body cam look like he was in more danger than he was, and the wheels were turned away from him.

In the full video you can see her making a U turn, one ICE vehicle cuts her off and she waves the next one on, but instead of ICE driving past her, they get out and move towards her rapidly and tell her (whom they have no arrest jurisdiction over) that she’s detained. She, in fear, tries to run.

Police officers are supposed to be trained not to stand in front of vehicles, and that they cannot shoot at someone attempting to run away. In the video you can see the agent was not harmed at all and Trump lied out of his face saying that he was in the hospital claiming he got run over. The jerk who murdered her can be seen in some footage having what seems to be a congratulatory celebration with the other agents a couple minutes later, like they were all happy they got to kill someone.

There’s no defending it if you know anything about law. If a regular police officer did that they would be in jail.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that she was “following ICE around”, I HAVE seen evidence that she lives in that neighborhood. But even if she was following ICE around, that doesn’t make it legally acceptable to shoot her. It doesn’t even make it legally acceptable to detain her. ICE is not police. They cannot legally detain US citizens for simply making a god damned U turn, or even for following them around.

I am disgusted by that officer, and he deserves heavy prison time.

I’m not a democrat, I just have my eyes open when I watch the videos.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but please cite the Supreme Court case you mentioned.

The attached post is from a former AUSA citing a SCOTUS case and allowing the 9-0 decision to explain that 15 shots is not considered excessive when lethal force is justified when there is a threat to public safety.

The police officer was not just standing in front of the vehicle as video shows. He walked around the vehicle filming the license plate and the faces of Renee Good and her wife. See post 67,131 for the officers video. When the officer gets to the front of the vehicle while walking around Good reverses and immediately goes forward while turning her wheels from hard left to hard right hitting the officer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009723299975311446