Janssen Express

[Patrillos]

Hi
Anyone has heard about Janssen doubles?
Any input?
This one is chambered for 475 NE n°2 Jeffery.
Thanks

 

[Mothercare]

Janssen fils ?

 

[VertigoBE]

Yes I have heard of Janssen, he was a Belgian gunmaker from the Liège gun making school. Mostly known for high-end side-by-side shotguns, but apparently also into double rifles.

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Janssen&Fils à Liège - 1062

www.ernest-mayor.ch

(btw, fils = sons in French, so Janssen & fils = Janssen and sons)

 

[Mothercare]

Think I’ve got a catalog of there’s from the 20s
I’ve seen a .360ne double of there’s

 

[Patrillos]

Yes. I saw It. But nothing about gunmaker quality

 

[Mothercare]

The 360 I saw looked good
Good wood to metal fit action felt tight

 

[Red Leg]

I know that some higher end guns sidelocks were built by the firm, but all that I have handled were basic boxlocks or hammer guns. The majority were built prior to WWII. I believe production ended not long after the war. It is interesting to see a double rifle. It seems to follow the utilitarian design of the shotguns I have handled.

 

[Sarg]

I know that some higher end guns sidelocks were built by the firm, but all that I have handled were basic boxlocks or hammer guns. The majority were built prior to WWII. I believe production ended not long after the war. It is interesting to see a double rifle. It seems to follow the utilitarian design of the shotguns I have handled.

Yes almost has the look of a Shotgun to Rifle conversion when I first saw it ?

 

[Red Leg]

Wondered the same. Though the action reinforcement is somewhat unique for a typical Belgian boxlock of the period. The barrel flat markings would tell the story.

 

[Patrillos]

The lock is Greener system.

 

[Red Leg]

The lock is Greener system.

Which Greener system? A clear close-up of the action and the barrel flats would tell us what you have. Could be a Greener clone, but is more likely an Anson & Deeley. The non-hammer guns I have seen were A&D. A&D by the way is a very strong action and the basis of most English boxlock double rifles.

 

[Patrillos]

 

[Red Leg]

The barrel flats are underneath the barrel chambers where all the marks are located.

 

[Patrillos]

Sorry.
My english is bad and dont understand what you want to say

 

[Sarg]

I think he meant the Top Fastener was Greener type, this is also more common on Shotguns then rifles !

Of course used on Rifles also, I have seen that same action reinforcment on some Euro shotguns when I was looking at building a rifle on a shotgun action myself some time back .

Where are you located @Patrillos ?

 

[Patrillos]

My 470 Merkel wears a Greener locking system.
I live in Northern Spain, Sarg

 

[Sarg]

hola amigo @Patrillos, la información del rifle está en las partes planas debajo de los cañones y en el nivel freático, en la parte inferior interna de la acción, ¡tendrá que quitar los cañones de la acción para verlos, por favor!

Not sure if I got that right but that might help & yes the Merkel uses the Greener type top fastener or Third Bite, others are Dolls Head or Hidden/Concealed third fastener ?

 

[Patrillos]

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[Sarg]

Yes now there is some good info, be nice to see the action flats also, but that shows it has proper Double Rifle barrels, with I think Dovetail Lumps or under lugs ?

Thank you !

 

[Red Leg]

Sorry for the misunderstanding about the action type. Yes, that is a cross bolt that is often called a Greener style lock - though several generations of German gunmakers would protest. Greener did in fact make a couple of proprietary action designs, but this looks like an Anson & Deeley lock which is a good thing on a rifle. The markings on the flats are what one would expect to see on a purpose built rifle of this period rather than something more recently created from a shotgun action. In other words, I think it is a purpose built Janssen Brothers double rifle. Assuming the barrel solder is still sound, the barrels are on face, etc you could have an interesting and useful rifle.