Good Gun Deals This Week

[Rare Breed]

It’s a month to six weeks depending on where you hit the export cycle, and $250. It’s not a scary process at all, I’ve done it numerous times in reverse.

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That’s the import link to the US, I’m not sure why the name is odd

I’m hoping so. Next week is going on week 6 and nothing so far. I bought from Ralf Martini and he is using Borderview as his exporter

 

[Aaron N]

I’ve looked into it and by my understanding I was much closer to @Rare Breed numbers. That was using border view I believe. Can you elaborate on your process as that’s pretty attractive $ to import.

 

[Aaron N]

I’m hoping so. Next week is going on week 6 and nothing so far. I bought from Ralf Martini and he is using Borderview as his exporter

My dad used borderview years ago to get a Winchester into Canada, and it ended up being a long drawn out process, and many months of waiting.

I’ve used Irunguns probably half a dozen times without so much as a hiccup.

 

[Aaron N]

@Aaron N
Did you sell your 505G.
Krish

No I haven’t, the buyer from here said he would need a couple months for the funds. Have been toying with the idea of listing it here or in GI Jsut to see if it would go.

 

[Rare Breed]

My dad used borderview years ago to get a Winchester into Canada, and it ended up being a long drawn out process, and many months of waiting.

I’ve used Irunguns probably half a dozen times without so much as a hiccup.

Aaron I’m doing the opposite…I’m getting a gun from Canada into the US. Does Irunguns do this or just guns from US to Canada please?

 

[Aaron N]

Aaron I’m doing the opposite…I’m getting a gun from Canada into the US. Does Irunguns do this or just guns from US to Canada please?

Click the link I posted above, it’s the Canada to US page. Same process, have the rifle shipped to Sherwood park Alberta, they ship it to Lake Havasu, from there they would ship to you FFL? You can’t ship to you door can you? (We can here)

 

[Rare Breed]

I’m being told the delay is getting the US approval something called a form 6 for the import. Until Borderview gets that they cannot ship. My gripe is when I bought my rifle in France I got it to my FFL in 6 weeks yet I can’t do that from Canada. It is very upsetting to me. So very much appreciate your thoughts and experience!!!

 

[Aaron N]

I’m being told the delay is getting the US approval something called a form 6 for the import. Until Borderview gets that they cannot ship. My gripe is when I bought my rifle in France I got it to my FFL in 6 weeks yet I can’t do that from Canada. It is very upsetting to me. So very much appreciate your thoughts and experience!!!

I would shoot them an email just to see what they say, I can’t see American paperwork taking any longer than Canadian, but you never know!

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Amazon.com: Any Shot You Want: The A-Square Handloading and Rifle Manual: 9780964368316: Alphin, Arthur B.: Libros

Amazon.com: Any Shot You Want: The A-Square Handloading and Rifle Manual: 9780964368316: Alphin, Arthur B.: Libros

www.amazon.com

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

I’m not suggesting that this is a “deal” per se but it looks really well executed with some nice features for about the same as you would pay for a new Mauser M98 or Rigby Big Game(?) chambered in the same cartridge. Of course you’re not getting your name in a ledger and you don’t have the name recognition. It may even be overpriced for all I know..

JAMES TUCKER CUSTOM 375 H&H MAGNUM BUILT ON GMA DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE MAGNUM ACTION ENGRAVED BY LISA TOMLIN

JAMES TUCKER CUSTOM 375 H&H MAGNUM BUILT ON GMA DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE MAGNUM ACTION ENGRAVED BY LISA TOMLIN for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

 

[Rare Breed]

I’m not suggesting that this is a “deal” per se but it looks really well executed with some nice features for about the same as you would pay for a new Mauser M98 or Rigby Big Game(?) chambered in the same cartridge. Of course you’re not getting your name in a ledger and you don’t have the name recognition. It may even be overpriced for all I know..

JAMES TUCKER CUSTOM 375 H&H MAGNUM BUILT ON GMA DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE MAGNUM ACTION ENGRAVED BY LISA TOMLIN

JAMES TUCKER CUSTOM 375 H&H MAGNUM BUILT ON GMA DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE MAGNUM ACTION ENGRAVED BY LISA TOMLIN for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

It is a truly beautiful gun. I bought a very simuler custom Mauser in 375 H&H from a member on our forum that is going lion hunting in four months. I paid about 60% of this price and my metal work is better. In my mind it is way over priced given what I have. My rifle also shoots anything with 1 MOA

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

It is a truly beautiful gun. I bought a very simuler custom Mauser in 375 H&H from a member on our forum that is going lion hunting in four months. I paid about 60% of this price and my metal work is better. In my mind it is way over priced given what I have. My rifle also shoots anything with 1 MOA

Understood. It does seem like it is priced at full replacement. Maybe more. It would be interesting to know what it brought new.

 

[Aaron N]

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Here’s and interesting rifle that I’d love to hear the good, bad, and the ugly on. A Rigby hammer gun in 500/450

 

[VertigoBE]

It is a truly beautiful gun. I bought a very simuler custom Mauser in 375 H&H from a member on our forum that is going lion hunting in four months. I paid about 60% of this price and my metal work is better. In my mind it is way over priced given what I have. My rifle also shoots anything with 1 MOA

Definitely overpriced.
Double square bridge GMA action, chambered in .375H&H, very very minimal engraving. I'm not too familiar with the maker, but I'd bet this is a 4000-6000 $ rifle, used. Not 15000$... that would be new built cost.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Definitely overpriced.
Double square bridge GMA action, chambered in .375H&H, very very minimal engraving. I'm not too familiar with the maker, but I'd bet this is a 4000-6000 $ rifle, used. Not 15000$... that would be new built cost.

So I was messing around and looking at some pricing and I do think they’re trying to get their money back on it. I came up with $13-14k before engraving. That’s with making some assumptions of course so I could see that figure being off 5-10%. I could see it being $13-15k with the engraving and stippling. From what I can tell doing some quick searches both the maker and the engraver are reputable.

I guess what I’m getting at is how did you come up with that used price figure? I’m genuinely curious.

I would think a reasonable price on a practically new firearm wouldn’t be less than 50-70% of full replacement?

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Okay guys and gals, here's a lesson in Supply and Demand...

A month or so ago I posted up a nearly new Winchester M70 Classic (CRF) in .416 Remington for something like $1725. It was available from a local Michigan shop which would ship it. I should have bought it myself but I have four rifles in four different .416 chamberings.... The aforementioned M70 was bought by an AH member is about half a day or less. I was pleased to help him.

Since the Winchester safari rifles are out of production for another year or two, and the CZ 550M Safari is no longer available. The supply of CRF safari rifles is low. Here is an example of a Gun Broker auction sale:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/985666801

Yes friends, that's a high condition Winchester M70 Classic (CRF) in .416 Remington that gaveled at $2480, plus tax and shipping. There were three people bidding above $2000. Maybe a few beers too many for each of them or compensation for something small in their persons? Who knows?

Someone here on AH has a new in box CZ 550M Safari .416 Rigby for sale at around $2500. And it hasn't sold yet... Those 550's aren't coming back.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

So I was messing around and looking at some pricing and I do think they’re trying to get their money back on it. I came up with $13-14k before engraving. That’s with making some assumptions of course so I could see that figure being off 5-10%. I could see it being $13-15k with the engraving and stippling. From what I can tell doing some quick searches both the maker and the engraver are reputable.

I guess what I’m getting at is how did you come up with that used price figure? I’m genuinely curious.

I would think a reasonable price on a practically new firearm wouldn’t be less than 50-70% of full replacement?

That 50-70% comes in at $6500-10500 by my figuring which I honestly think is friends/family/AH member pricing that’s not likely to be seen by any FFL dealer and rarely from an individual. I think $10,500-12,750 (70-85%) would be more in line with what you might expect to see from a business. Again, looking at a rifle that is practically new. I may be way out of line on all of this too…..

 

[VertigoBE]

So I was messing around and looking at some pricing and I do think they’re trying to get their money back on it. I came up with $13-14k before engraving. That’s with making some assumptions of course so I could see that figure being off 5-10%. I could see it being $13-15k with the engraving and stippling. From what I can tell doing some quick searches both the maker and the engraver are reputable.

I guess what I’m getting at is how did you come up with that used price figure? I’m genuinely curious.

I would think a reasonable price on a practically new firearm wouldn’t be less than 50-70% of full replacement?

It indeed does look like someone trying to get their money back on a new purchase.

The key in your phrase is "practically new firearm". It is not new. Just like when you take a car out from the dealership, you lose a lot of value just because it is no longer the bespoke personal purchase, as a new one is.

That being said, it is from a lesser known maker, not one of the big names. So collectability value will be limited. It is in one of the most common African calibers that exists. Mauser actioned 375 H&H come up for sale all the time. (See @rookhawk's recent post on the lower cost of purchase for 12ga versus the other gauges in shotguns.)

Some examples to give relief:

Poulin auction May22, Granite Mountain Arms in .585GMW sold for 7500$ (plus fees etc. would make it 11000$ or so)

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/biggest-of-the-big-boys-granite-mountain-arms-2698-c-9f9430c89c?objectID=170246589&algIndex=undefined&queryID=810c7f02c20bab20ff9db4a6706f7041

Granite Mountain Arms in .505 Gibbs, did not sell at 12000$ mininum, despite very fancy gold inlaid engraving

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/granite-mountain-arms-505-gibbs-magnum-mauser-dan-1584-c-b154f62a0b?objectID=123898778&algIndex=undefined&queryID=d4e3d04f6797729abe506b669c2716d1

Not a GMA action, but a Win70, but worked on by James Tucker, sold for 4250$ in June 20

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/finely-crafted-custom-model-70-sporting-rifle-with-2084-c-cf74ab38d6?objectID=149537709&algIndex=undefined&queryID=37d36f0ba27ae2a076699666e0488d02

Some more specifically on .375H&H

a Holland and Holland rifle sold in May 2022 for 3800£ and it has a case and a scope!

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-fine-375-h-h-magnum-bolt-magazine-rifle-by-holl-451-c-a944fa5a86?objectID=170721417&algIndex=undefined&queryID=b9be6b192adf3e9cc2cabe238bab9798

also in May 2022, this far more known maker from South Africa, didn't sell at the minimum of 4400€

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/bolt-action-rifle-mauser-98-double-square-bridge--503-c-8b24f16b12?objectID=170146899&algIndex=undefined&queryID=b9be6b192adf3e9cc2cabe238bab9798

A take-down ! from Dumoulin, far better known than James Tucker, sold for 4500€

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/bolt-action-rifle-h-dumoulin-fils-liege-mauser-ta-501-c-40c41f29c5?objectID=170146897&algIndex=undefined&queryID=b9be6b192adf3e9cc2cabe238bab9798

And I can go on.

So yes, I consider the "value" to be around 4000-6000$, but a shop would probably advertise it around 10000$. I have absolutely nothing against this rifle, just that there are a whole host of alternatives, some even more attractive than it (that Holland & Holland at 3800£ was a great purchase for the buyer), that sold for well under their 15k$ asking price.

Cheers,

V.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

It indeed does look like someone trying to get their money back on a new purchase.

The key in your phrase is "practically new firearm". It is not new. Just like when you take a car out from the dealership, you lose a lot of value just because it is no longer the bespoke personal purchase, as a new one is.

That being said, it is from a lesser known maker, not one of the big names. So collectability value will be limited. It is in one of the most common African calibers that exists. Mauser actioned 375 H&H come up for sale all the time. (See @rookhawk's recent post on the lower cost of purchase for 12ga versus the other gauges in shotguns.)

Some examples to give relief:

Poulin auction May22, Granite Mountain Arms in .585GMW sold for 7500$ (plus fees etc. would make it 11000$ or so)

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/biggest-of-the-big-boys-granite-mountain-arms-2698-c-9f9430c89c?objectID=170246589&algIndex=undefined&queryID=810c7f02c20bab20ff9db4a6706f7041

Granite Mountain Arms in .505 Gibbs, did not sell at 12000$ mininum, despite very fancy gold inlaid engraving

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/granite-mountain-arms-505-gibbs-magnum-mauser-dan-1584-c-b154f62a0b?objectID=123898778&algIndex=undefined&queryID=d4e3d04f6797729abe506b669c2716d1

Not a GMA action, but a Win70, but worked on by James Tucker, sold for 4250$ in June 20

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/finely-crafted-custom-model-70-sporting-rifle-with-2084-c-cf74ab38d6?objectID=149537709&algIndex=undefined&queryID=37d36f0ba27ae2a076699666e0488d02

Some more specifically on .375H&H

a Holland and Holland rifle sold in May 2022 for 3800£ and it has a case and a scope!

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-fine-375-h-h-magnum-bolt-magazine-rifle-by-holl-451-c-a944fa5a86?objectID=170721417&algIndex=undefined&queryID=b9be6b192adf3e9cc2cabe238bab9798

also in May 2022, this far more known maker from South Africa, didn't sell at the minimum of 4400€

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/bolt-action-rifle-mauser-98-double-square-bridge--503-c-8b24f16b12?objectID=170146899&algIndex=undefined&queryID=b9be6b192adf3e9cc2cabe238bab9798

A take-down ! from Dumoulin, far better known than James Tucker, sold for 4500€

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/bolt-action-rifle-h-dumoulin-fils-liege-mauser-ta-501-c-40c41f29c5?objectID=170146897&algIndex=undefined&queryID=b9be6b192adf3e9cc2cabe238bab9798

And I can go on.

So yes, I consider the "value" to be around 4000-6000$, but a shop would probably advertise it around 10000$. I have absolutely nothing against this rifle, just that there are a whole host of alternatives, some even more attractive than it (that Holland & Holland at 3800£ was a great purchase for the buyer), that sold for well under their 15k$ asking price.

Cheers,

V.

Gotcha .

I think you’re right about the probable and I’ll add reasonable advertised price of $10k but I would just say that auctions are different kettles of fish (definitely some missed opportunities there) as is the European market for “safari” rifles (it seems to me). Also (I’ll probably get corrected quickly), on the Holland & Holland, it’s probably from a less desirable era?

I could see someone listing it for $10k and someone getting it shipped for 5-10% less.

I understand depreciation but I don’t think that’s a reasonable amount at all.

I’m going off of certain maker’s for sale listings, GB and GI. I just don’t think the evidence is there to justify a final sales price that is that low.

 

[rookhawk]

Gotcha .

I think you’re right about the probable and I’ll add reasonable advertised price of $10k but I would just say that auctions are different kettles of fish (definitely some missed opportunities there) as is the European market for “safari” rifles (it seems to me). Also (I’ll probably get corrected quickly), on the Holland & Holland, it’s probably from a less desirable era?

I could see someone listing it for $10k and someone getting it shipped for 5-10% less.

I understand depreciation but I don’t think that’s a reasonable amount at all.

I’m going off of certain maker’s for sale listings, GB and GI. I just don’t think the evidence is there to justify a final sales price that is that low.

It looks like a $6500 (bad day) to $9000 (great day) rifle to me. The scope is $277 wholesale and its an awful optic, so I give it zero value in the transaction. (Vs. a $3000 DG scope of German/Austrian birth)

It's a 375HH by a not-known-to-me maker, trying to be flipped for at or above bespoke purchase price. You cannot resale the first-buyer custom order experience. (this is why puppies are $3000 and 6 month old dogs are free at the dog pound)

He'd probably get north of $10k had it been a 404J and north of $11,500 if a 500J as they command a strong premium in the current market.

Nonetheless, its unremarkable wood, finished to a very high standard, with an expertly applied pigskin pad. Minimal engraving. No ebony forend tip.

Always ask these questions to determine "highest and best appraisal basis" on a gun:

1.) Is it rare?
2.) Is it collectible?
3.) Is the replacement cost high?
4.) Is it practical?
5.) Is it the highest 1% quality example of a given genre?


Answers this time:

1. No
2. No
3. Equal or less than asking
4. Yes
5. No