for the distance experts among you

[62flint]

I have watched a few of his videos, for the sake of sounding arrogant. I feel I could do better than many of his guests.

 

[Flbt]

I have watched a few of his videos, for the sake of sounding arrogant. I feel I could do better than many of his guests.

Not saying this is how you think.
But I bet a lot of long range guys think they can do better.
I wonder how many would?
Like most long range guys that I have meet in person
They all ways clean miss if they miss.
At all.
Or the ones I like the best I took this deer at 500yd running. But if they show where. They were at and where the deer was at. The range finder says 155yds.

 

[farmer_john]

Not saying this is how you think.
But I bet a lot of long range guys think they can do better.
I wonder how many would?
Like most long range guys that I have meet in person
They all ways clean miss if they miss.
At all.
Or the ones I like the best I took this deer at 500yd running. But if they show where. They were at and where the deer was at. The range finder says 155yds.

I dont think those kinds of shows would be very interesting if they had tubb or the army AMU on it. Or high level psr competitors.

 

[62flint]

Not saying this is how you think.
But I bet a lot of long range guys think they can do better.
I wonder how many would?
Like most long range guys that I have meet in person
They all ways clean miss if they miss.
At all.
Or the ones I like the best I took this deer at 500yd running. But if they show where. They were at and where the deer was at. The range finder says 155yds.

I am lucky. I have a fairly long range setup behind my house.
When I was practicing for my antelope hunt this past October. I would take my rifle a couple bullets , binos and rangefinder.
Walk the mile from my house to the back fields.
Stop at a random spot , range and take a shot at a gong. In a hunting position. Bipod, tripod , etc.
I got pretty consistent hitting a 8 inch gong out to 500-600 yards. I would only shoot one to 3 shots the. Walk home.
I try to keep my shots while hunting under 500 yards.
He did a water jug challenge.
Shooting gallon milk jugs out to 500 I believe. I am going to try that this spring.

 

[CBH Australia]

I think the video is a good reference and example. They are shooters who have proven to have the knowledge and skill on smaller targets under target shooting conditions.

I took a long range shooting course to improve my knowledge and skills and need to practice. Using a Kestrel a with applied ballistics, known ranges, bipods and bags the instructor had us engage clay targets at 540m and then balloons at around 840m on the second day. My misses were close and I had my share of hits so you can learn this and a reasonable shooter can still get results at longer ranges but the caveat is that we were using varmint or target barrels from a sold rest in prone position and we had the information from a ballistics app that was relevant to the day.

My first shot in game in South Africa was sitting using short sticks. A long shot for me in a new environment with a hire rifle but the PH had experience and likely had his take on me from the range and he was the instructor/observer so to speak and he said to take the impala at that distance. It was a clean shot and humane kill but probably further than I would have taken hunting without having a confirmed distance etc.

 

[farmer_john]

I think the video is a good reference and example. They are shooters who have proven to have the knowledge and skill on smaller targets under target shooting conditions.

I took a long range shooting course to improve my knowledge and skills and need to practice. Using a Kestrel a with applied ballistics, known ranges, bipods and bags the instructor had us engage clay targets at 540m and then balloons at around 840m on the second day. My misses were close and I had my share of hits so you can learn this and a reasonable shooter can still get results at longer ranges but the caveat is that we were using varmint or target barrels from a sold rest in prone position and we had the information from a ballistics app that was relevant to the day.

My first shot in game in South Africa was sitting using short sticks. A long shot for me in a new environment with a hire rifle but the PH had experience and likely had his take on me from the range and he was the instructor/observer so to speak and he said to take the impala at that distance. It was a clean shot and humane kill but probably further than I would have taken hunting without having a confirmed distance etc.

And the whole heavy tactical guns vs hunting rifles is honestly a bs cop out.

Its all about practice. And using LRF and kestrels when i was younger were tought after you learned the analog way. And honestly a kestrel is cool but there can be several wind changes at longer ranges and a kestrel only does your imediage windage. Reading mirage is honestly best way to gauge wind speed.
A lrf is alot faster and you dont have to remember the size of things. Where as with the variety of mil reticles you do.
But having instructed alot of guys in a former life. Mastering the fundamentals, shooting positions and being able to read mirage youll be on your way to being a miracle worker. Not saying you should be droping a deer 3/4 mile away.

If you devoted some time to a mkre kenetic shooting range than a static theres your paper x meters away. You could get good at some pretty wild things

 

[CBH Australia]

And the whole heavy tactical guns vs hunting rifles is honestly a bs cop out.

Its all about practice. And using LRF and kestrels when i was younger were tought after you learned the analog way. And honestly a kestrel is cool but there can be several wind changes at longer ranges and a kestrel only does your imediage windage. Reading mirage is honestly best way to gauge wind speed.
A lrf is alot faster and you dont have to remember the size of things. Where as with the variety of mil reticles you do.
But having instructed alot of guys in a former life. Mastering the fundamentals, shooting positions and being able to read mirage youll be on your way to being a miracle worker. Not saying you should be droping a deer 3/4 mile away.

If you devoted some time to a mkre kenetic shooting range than a static theres your paper x meters away. You could get good at some pretty wild things

I would agree with most of that but I’m sure that heavier rifles aid stability for most.

I have a couple of Tikka rifles with aftermarket barrels that are quite accurate at 100m but I’m not sure if the projectiles loads etc are suitable for long range, if I had the right loads for long range they might do it but we were asked not to bring sporter barrelled rifles where we were expecting to shoot long strings.

I’m not planning long range hunting and I’m not sure what MKRE Kinetic shooting is but we have a couple of 900m ranges locally but my club is 200m .
The 900 m ranges are old Full bore clubs that are steadily taking on F Class and similar scoped rifle disciplines. There is no PRS rage near me but we still have a few options.

 

[farmer_john]

I would agree with most of that but I’m sure that heavier rifles aid stability for most.

I have a couple of Tikka rifles with aftermarket barrels that are quite accurate at 100m but I’m not sure if the projectiles loads etc are suitable for long range, if I had the right loads for long range they might do it but we were asked not to bring sporter barrelled rifles where we were expecting to shoot long strings.

I’m not planning long range hunting and I’m not sure what MKRE Kinetic shooting is but we have a couple of 900m ranges locally but my club is 200m .
The 900 m ranges are old Full bore clubs that are steadily taking on F Class and similar scoped rifle disciplines. There is no PRS rage near me but we still have a few options.

the reason heavier barrels are more common in competition and military rifles is because they are stiffer and have better heat managment.
But the first shot you take on anyday is the most important. And since hunting your most likely not firing more than 1-3 shots you can get by with a lighter rifle. As as they get hotter the barrel will shift and your poi will change. Also is your barrel clean or dirty. Will have a big difference as well. Both can be compensated for. But you have to keep notes. But a thinner barrel esp a modern one of good quality. Will shoot like a laser as long as you use it the way its designed even at long ranges. If you let it heat up your poi can walk to a point.

 

[JG26Irish_2]

I am a benchrest competitor and have seen wind flags at half way to tgt blowing right while the flags at target were blowing left. Swirls up and down that make the bullet path porpoise up and down along its ballistic arc. I have also watched videos of hunters shooting game at 600, 700, 800 and 1000 yds. Every shot connected and dropped the prey. But... I cannot condone such practice. The shots I refer to were all made with match grade, exceptional rifles and scopes more suited to target shooting than for hunting but I still say that it is a calloused practice as often the bullet might lack the speed and energy to make a clean kill. Most of the videos cut away after the animal dropped. Did they regain their feet, or lay kicking for 15min? My limit with each rifle is the distance where the bullet velocity on impact is 2000fps or more. That is usually 300-400y on most of my rifles. Then I further limit myself to the range where I can consistently hit the 6" plate off sticks, standing. This is more like 300y or a bit less for me.

In all my days, I have only shot a game animal at over 200y about four times (not counting varmints). Deer at 200y, Gemsbok at 202y, Springbok at 243y and Blk WB at 314y. That last one was not from sticks and I had a solid rest for the shot. Even so, with wind and other issues, it was a marginal shot. Successful but about the practical limit for me. If I struggle in the field at 300y and as a former national champion benchrest competitor, then who is qualified to shoot game at 500y? Really. I have shot prairie dogs and coyotes at 500+ yds but it often took 10 shots to connect at that range for PD's. Not realistic for larger game, lol. I think that taking a shot on big game at 500y to be a guessing game at best. You will likely hit the animal but where? and will you harvest it?

I think for pronghorn, I might be willing to take a shot at 400y if conditions are perfect and I have the right rifle. That would be a long shot for me. I have a 7mm Mag and a 243 both of which are 1/2moa rifles and such a shot would be doable.

 

[gbflyer]

Doesn’t even have to be “long range”. Set up a 1 MOA dot at 100, 200, and 300. See who can hit it first try with their all day long tack driver. Even from a bench. Not very many can.

 

[Altitude sickness]

The Gunwerks guys have released a .450 bushmaster with advertised 500 yd effective range. And have used it out to 750 yards. A longer bullet and Ogive

 

[steve white]

the reason heavier barrels are more common in competition and military rifles is because they are stiffer and have better heat managment.
But the first shot you take on anyday is the most important. And since hunting your most likely not firing more than 1-3 shots you can get by with a lighter rifle. As as they get hotter the barrel will shift and your poi will change. Also is your barrel clean or dirty. Will have a big difference as well. Both can be compensated for. But you have to keep notes. But a thinner barrel esp a modern one of good quality. Will shoot like a laser as long as you use it the way its designed even at long ranges. If you let it heat up your poi can walk to a point.

BR .22 competition--barrels are honking heavy! They don't heat up, but everyone knows they shoot better.

 

[JG26Irish_2]

99.9+% of our hunting shots will be cold bore 1st shots. So, for hunting rifles, the bbl weight and diameter are mostly irrelevant except for any affect it may have on bbl harmonics. One of my best hunting rifles is a FN Browning in 308. It has a 20" bbl that is only the size of your pinky finger at the muzzle. It shoots good but heats up fast so that 3rd and 4th shots on tgts tend to walk a little. But for hunting, I have never had to take a 2nd shot. Let alone a 3rd or 4th, lol. Would a bull bbl shoot better? Maybe at the range but not on game.

 

[Flbt]

99.9+% of our hunting shots will be cold bore 1st shots. So, for hunting rifles, the bbl weight and diameter are mostly irrelevant except for any affect it may have on bbl harmonics. One of my best hunting rifles is a FN Browning in 308. It has a 20" bbl that is only the size of your pinky finger at the muzzle. It shoots good but heats up fast so that 3rd and 4th shots on tgts tend to walk a little. But for hunting, I have never had to take a 2nd shot. Let alone a 3rd or 4th, lol. Would a bull bbl

It must be nice to have never having to take a second shot.
I only know 1 deer hunter that’s never had to take a second shot.
But he is 7 and only shot 2 deer . So I betting over the years that will change.

 

[JG26Irish_2]

I was not claiming that I have never taken a 2nd shot. Far from it. I was only saying that for hunting rifles that cold bore shot is far more critical than any follow ups and that followup shots are statistically less common or are finishing shots where accuracy is less critical. This being the reason a bull barrel rifle is un-necessary for hunting.

I have only made followup shots on deer twice over 50+yrs of hunting but it happens. Last year on safari, I made followups on one animal out of six but shots were inside of 60y where accuracy was not an issue. This year, I had followups on six out of six animals. I followed up three with the rifle and three with the PH's pistol. But they were all finishers except for the follow up on the tough Cape Buffalo and a Kudu where I misplaced the first shot. With Buffalo, I shoot until they are down and then shoot some more. It just seems prudent. With the Kudu, I had a misfire due to bad ammo and rushed the 2nd shot and had to stalk it to finish. All of these were close range so I was not concerned about bbl heating.

 

[Flbt]

Ok
I am a dyslexic so could have easily miss understood

 

[Art Lambart II]

This illustrates the difference between shooting and hunting and why I don’t shoot game past 300 yards.

 

[Newboomer]

This illustrates the difference between shooting and hunting and why I don’t shoot game past 300 yards.

I set my personal hunting limit at 300 yds regardless of rifle or game. If I feel a shot is getting much over 200 yds I have my Ph range it and compensate accordingly. My longest shot to date is 286 yds off sticks at a springbok. Couldn't get closer because it was open range and no cover. I'd much rather stalk as close as possible, preferably around 100-150 yds. After all, the fun is the stalk and matching wits with the animal.
We did some long range shooting at FTW Ranch but that was just for fun. Out to 1000yds prone with a spotter and a Browning A bolt in 7rm. After a few sight in rounds I consistantly hit 6 to 8 inch plates. Not something I would dream of in the bush but fun in controlled setting.