Change my 458 Lott for a 460 Weatherby Magnum

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458 Lott is the only answer in Canada between the two. The 460 Weatherby is prohibited to own lol. I wonder if a crime has ever been commited here with a 460 weatherby .
Wow. "Common sense" laws written by people without any and no knowledge on what they are talking about perfect case in point. Worse there is no protection for our northern neighbors from further cartridge restrictions. Hoping people here in the states wise up before we end up in the same situation. Big doubles banned too?
 

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Why is the 458 Lott better than the 460 Weatherby?
Better is subjective here. They achieve different results with different effects. The 300 Win Mag is not 'better' than the 30-06 for most applications, but the 300 Win can achieve more as designed with the added effects of recoil energy and velocity. The Lott and 460 Wby. do take this to the more extreme end though. For years I heard the fear of the 460 recoil, and now after owning one, a non weatherby rifle, and finding for myself it is not what many have claimed, I have new respect for the cartridge.

I will say again, the 460 in a mark V with brake is a very different animal. After shooting my 460, I also have a new respect for this stock design and how it fits me. It is more comfortable shooting than my CZ550, though obviously more recoil.
 

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Wow. "Common sense" laws written by people without any and no knowledge on what they are talking about perfect case in point. Worse there is no protection for our northern neighbors from further cartridge restrictions. Hoping people here in the states wise up before we end up in the same situation. Big doubles banned too?
Yeah, in Canada it was all those semi auto BARs in .460 Weatherby with the extended magazines that were wreaking havoc on the populace, which prompted the banning of that caliber.
 

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I have noticed the 460 Weatherby is more popular with French PHs and French big game hunters in Western Africa areas that were once French colonies like Cameroon and the Central African Republic. A humorous conversation with a French hunter in a Bangui compound prior to going our separate ways. He emphatically stated he would never sell his 460 Weatherby because it had saved his life. Visions of charging jungle elephant or wounded lion crossed my mind. He exclaimed his ex-wife discovered he was cheating on her, grabbed his 460, fired a round at him, the recoil broke her hand and she was until to finish the task!
 

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I picked up a Hannibal in 460 Wby. recently. Always wanted the rifle, and admire the cartridge, figured I could rebarrel at worst case scenario.

After testing some loads, I am a fan of the 460. Extremely versatile with bullets weights ranging from 350-500, and I'm just scratching the surface. Need more development time however to pick my favorite loads, but modern bullet designs have allowed for the 460s abilities to be reached much more effectively.

Echoing what's been said before here, in print, and over the years.. The 460 in a 1917 action (or other similar mauser inspired action) rifle like the Hannibal has been a pleasant surprise; ie, not a Mark V and no brake I notice no more delay in my second or third shot than shooting my rigby. Call it the weight, coil chek stock, or fitment (or all the above) it works well for me. Mine also holds 3 down and one in the chamber, 1 more than a wby. rifle.

I would never opt for a muzzle braked 460, but mine at 11lbs scoped ( A Squares forward 2x QD option) is not what many have grown to fear in terms of recoil. Though, I will add, I actually very much like the A2 stock and it fits me quite well. Not for everyone, rather only the few, but a fantastic caliber for those whom can wield it well.
An a square rifle is an exception due to its design. My 3:38 a square essentially the 460 necked down is a pleasure to shoot and super accurate.
 

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Should come in handy for taking care of those pesky Tyrannosaurus
 

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I am never one to write long responses or contributions on AH, so will keep my 5 cents short as I can.
I have watched this one with some intense, yet side line, intrigue. I own and do use, not just a .460 Weatherby but my .378 Weatherby, at every opportune moment I can - range or field.
Yes I have been asked all the whys and wherefores on my .460 Weatherby. The, IMHHO, versatility of the .460 to be able to download to performances of the Lott or other similar calibres is what draws me to frequently shoot the .460 Weatherby.

Now for an interesting add to this is what is in his book on the .460 Weatherby - "African Dangerous Game Cartridges by Pierre van der Walt."
What I agree with 100%, and by personal experience, is that the muzzle brake is the prime enemy No. one of the .460 Weatherby! Quote unquote …"a roar to a painful thunderclap for everybody, even those around the shooter. The air is not just displaced forward, but in all directions and bystanders physically experience it. Without the muzzle brake it is a far more pleasant cartridge".
The .460 may never be everyone's cup of tea, but as I and a many before me have, seek out the opportunity to shoot a .460 Weatherby and do so with a clear understanding of what it is you want to achieve by owning one...

Ps the book mentioned, an impressive read and reference if I have ever had, is Pierre's book and for any avid hunter or shooter ;).

Some herein AH are many a South African hunter who will also know of the exploits of the late Adriaan Rall with the Weatherby cartridges...
 

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I am never one to write long responses or contributions on AH, so will keep my 5 cents short as I can.
I have watched this one with some intense, yet side line, intrigue. I own and do use, not just a .460 Weatherby but my .378 Weatherby, at every opportune moment I can - range or field.
Yes I have been asked all the whys and wherefores on my .460 Weatherby. The, IMHHO, versatility of the .460 to be able to download to performances of the Lott or other similar calibres is what draws me to frequently shoot the .460 Weatherby.

Now for an interesting add to this is what is in his book on the .460 Weatherby - "African Dangerous Game Cartridges by Pierre van der Walt."
What I agree with 100%, and by personal experience, is that the muzzle brake is the prime enemy No. one of the .460 Weatherby! Quote unquote …"a roar to a painful thunderclap for everybody, even those around the shooter. The air is not just displaced forward, but in all directions and bystanders physically experience it. Without the muzzle brake it is a far more pleasant cartridge".
The .460 may never be everyone's cup of tea, but as I and a many before me have, seek out the opportunity to shoot a .460 Weatherby and do so with a clear understanding of what it is you want to achieve by owning one...

Ps the book mentioned, an impressive read and reference if I have ever had, is Pierre's book and for any avid hunter or shooter ;).

Some herein AH are many a South African hunter who will also know of the exploits of the late Adriaan Rall with the Weatherby cartridges...
I would like to read about some of Adriaan Rall's exploits with the Weatherby cartridges, just out of curiosity?
 

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