Best make for Doubles

Discussion in 'Double Rifles' started by Oliver.Wettstein, May 5, 2009.

  1. cal pappas

    cal pappas CONTRIBUTOR AH Veteran

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    For the best bang for the buck in a new double, Verney-Caron.
    However, to match dollar for dollar, I would suggest a vintage double from the UK (England or Scotland). Black powder express rifles are a super deal and the nitro express can be bought at fair prices on private sales. The workmanship is outstanding, they are well broken in, some have wonderful history, and they will appreciate in value (look at the "deals" on used modern doubles and that will show you a loss in value).
    Just my two cents.
    Cal
     
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  2. sierraone

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    May be just your two cents, but it carries quite a bit of weight on this forum IMO!
     

  3. rookhawk

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    Here would be my list:

    Best double ever made tie for first place:

    Dickson of Edinburgh or Hartmann & Weiss

    Honorable mention for tier 1:

    Purdey, Woodward, Stephen Grant, Lang, Watson Brothers, Rigby

    Egocentric and overrated for tier 2:

    Holland & Holland

    Very nice tier 2 guns:

    Westley Richards, Henry Atkin, Isaac Hollis, Charles Hellis, Charles Lancaster, Edwinson Green, etc.

    Rough and tumble tier 3 guns that are quite functional:

    Rodda, Cogswell & Harrison, Lyon & Lyon and the rest of the India retailers of Birmingham made arms

    Tier 4:

    The very best quality vintage Ferlach, Liege, Suhl, Zella-Mehlis, Gardone and St. Etienne guns.

    Tier 5:

    Merkel, Krieghoff, Blazer, Heym, VC, Lebeau,

    Tier 6:

    Sabatti (speaking from an owner/operator experienced view)
     
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  4. cal pappas

    cal pappas CONTRIBUTOR AH Veteran

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    I won't take issue as we all have our opinions.
    Cal
     

  5. sierraone

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    I believe a dead thread has come back to life!!!
     

  6. rookhawk

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    And surely Cal, you have a good one based on a fair amount of experience. Share with us what your favorites are in more detail!
     
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    There are a hand full of guys on this forum, that every time they comment on a thread, I learn something. You and Cal are two of them! Yes, most of you have different opinions, but that just increases the amount of knowledge posted, that members like me try to soak up!
     

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    I am quite pleased with my Heym, although I seriously looked at Searcy as well.
     

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    Since I'm one of the rookies here I would like to know why you think VC's are the tops in terms of best value. I was thinking of Heym..
     

  10. bassasdaindia

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    @cal pappas , please would you be kind enough to elaborate more on why in your opinion the Verneys are the "best bang for the buck"

    thank you in advance
     

  11. cal pappas

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    Certainly.
    The VC double rifles have a combination of quality--both ornamentation and construction, lines, balance, fit, feel, etc. with a price that makes them, in my opinion, the best of European modern doubles. Now, before the readership begins to construct a gallows, let me also state other rifles (Kreighoff, Heym, Merkel, SIACE, the better Sabatti rifles, Chapuis, etc.) are all fine working rifles and will do the job. All (except the crappy muzzle ground Sabatti), will work well for you hunting or plinking. However, for the price, VC seem to me the best combination of all aspects one looks at when buying a double. Heym makes a nice .600 double, but they are double the cost of a VC. Are they worth it? That is up to the buyer. One can save a few dollars buying a Sabatti or a used Merkel or Kreighoff and is it worth the money to do so? Again, that is up to the buyer.

    I handle, shoot, evaluate, appraise, and own several doubles and if I were t0 buy a new double, and didn't want to shell out the $ for a new double made in the UK, I would chose VC. Not that the others are bad, I just think VC has it all for what I look for in a double rifle. (That said, I'm not on the payroll of VC nor am I planning any double purchases other than vintage UK double rifles).

    Cheers and go easy fellas, I'm quite sensitive. For those that go on the attack, I have a very good therapist.
    Cal
     
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    @cal pappas yup i agree with what you say about VC doubles having looked and handled them a few times. the round body keeps tempting me.........but the sensible monkey on my right shoulder keeps going :E Nono:.....
     

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    When you find a way to remove that little bugger from your shoulder, please let me know.
     

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    @spike.t as you have reminded me on another thread you need to listen to your naughty monkey. Get the vc spike! HA!
     
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    think thats an impossibility............:E Big Grin:
     

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    was waiting for that..........:D Beers:
     

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    Spike T I know a couple good archers that would be willing to do a (William Tell) of the monkey off your shoulder. Would be more interesting than a simple apple:whistle:
     

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    Can I get in on that? I didn't draw archery elk this year so need the practice.....:sneaky:
     

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