American charged with subversion in Zimbabwe



In reading about O'Donovan, it doesn't seem she is like Otto Warmbier or his types in any way. He was stupid, ignorant and arrogant. It got him arrested and killed. Martha O'Donovan seems fairly calculating and reasonably intelligent. She calls herself a "media activist". She may not have intended to get arrested, or deported, but it would be surprising if she was in jail for long. (It seems like she has a great support structure that can bring down pressure on a country that relies on foreign donations to keep the hungry masses at bay) Virtually all of us talk about regime change in Zimbabwe, perhaps we should give her credit for being proactive and a woman of action, instead of being a keyboard warrior like the rest of us are on this thread.

Lets just pray that when change happens, it is for the betterment of the good people of Zimbabwe. Until that day, the O'Donovan's have my utmost respect!
 
..............perhaps we should give her credit for being proactive and a woman of action, instead of being a keyboard warrior like the rest of us are on this thread. ............

Now you're just being mean to me. :A Hold Breath:

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In reading about O'Donovan, it doesn't seem she is like Otto Warmbier or his types in any way. He was stupid, ignorant and arrogant. It got him arrested and killed. Martha O'Donovan seems fairly calculating and reasonably intelligent. She calls herself a "media activist". She may not have intended to get arrested, or deported, but it would be surprising if she was in jail for long. (It seems like she has a great support structure that can bring down pressure on a country that relies on foreign donations to keep the hungry masses at bay) Virtually all of us talk about regime change in Zimbabwe, perhaps we should give her credit for being proactive and a woman of action, instead of being a keyboard warrior like the rest of us are on this thread.

Lets just pray that when change happens, it is for the betterment of the good people of Zimbabwe. Until that day, the O'Donovan's have my utmost respect!

Very Good response @Wheels
 
While her actions may seem commendable to freedom loving people, her performance just reinforces the foreigners' impression that Americans are arrogant, self righteous, condescending and indifferent to local customs.
 
Call me dumb Foxi, but I don't understand your point relative to the previous posts!
Guys, what I'm saying is, there's nothing going to be any better in Africa.
You can only choose between bad and worse.
And after Mugabe, I'm convinced that things will get worse.
There are peoples who work better by pressure than by goodwill.
Mugabe has his country firmly under control.
If we're honest, we (Africa) hunters also benefit from it.
The statement is not politically correct, but I've gotten around the world a little bit too.
Carpe diem
Foxi
 
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Like most of the world said about a certain country in the mid 40s..

Africa has an enoumous potential but the rest of the world just ees it like a combined zoo/terrorist nest/place to get natural ressources cheap/someone we can send aid to sonwe can feel good/where does damnd immigrants comes from.

Like it or not, western politics is at least as much as guys as Mugabe for the missery in large parts of Africa.
 
The question is, can Auntie Grace keep the existing black mafioso in check and will the Chinese fund it?
Related to that: Grace is now the NEW vice president.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ice-president-emmerson-mnangagwa-grace-mugabe

Robert Mugabe sacks vice-president to clear path to power for wife

Dismissal of Emmerson Mnangagwa, once seen as likely successor to Zimbabwe’s president, paves way for Grace Mugabe to take over

Robert Mugabe has fired his powerful vice-president, clearing the way for his wife, Grace, to succeed him as leader of Zimbabwe.

The information minister, Simon Khaya Moyo, told reporters at a press conference in Harare on Monday that Emmerson Mnangagwa had been removed from his post.

Moyo said Mnangagwa, 75, a former intelligence chief, had exhibited disloyalty, disrespect and deceitfulness.

Tensions are rising in Zimbabwe amid a deteriorating economy and a vicious struggle to succeed Mugabe, who is 93 and visibly ailing after 37 years in power. The sacking of Mnangagwa appears to settle that contest in favour of Mugabe’s wife, who is 52.

The first lady is far from a popular figure in Zimbabwe. Her image has suffered after an alleged assault on a model she found in the company of her sons in a luxury apartment in Johannesburg, South Africa.

Granted diplomatic immunity after the incident, Grace Mugabe was allowed to leave South Africa despite a police inquiry. She denies any wrongdoing.

Reports of extravagant purchases, including property in South Africa and a Rolls-Royce, have also angered many in Zimbabwe, where an economic crisis has deepened.

Until recently, Mnangagwa was tipped as Mugabe’s likely successor, partly because of his support within the country’s powerful security establishment and among veterans of Zimbabwe’s 1970s guerilla war.

Despite his alleged involvement in atrocities in the 1980s, Mnangagwa was also the preferred candidate of much of the international community, where he was seen as most likely to guarantee a stable transition and implement economic reforms.

The feud between Mnangagwa and Grace Mugabe has been bitter and public. Last month the first lady, who leads the women’s league of the ruling Zanu-PF party, publicly denied she was behind the attempted poisoning of her rival in remarks broadcast on state TV.

Mnangagwa claimed he had been poisoned when he fell ill at a rally in August and had to be airlifted to hospital in South Africa. The veteran official has seen his own political stock plummet after accusations from party rivals that he was plotting to get Mugabe to step down in his favour. He denies the accusation.

On Saturday, Grace Mugabe cranked up the pressure against Mnangagwa, calling him the “root cause of factionalism” that was gnawing at Zanu-PF. She also accused the vice-president’s supporters of booing her while she gave her speech.

“What if I get in [as vice-president]? What’s wrong with that? Am I not in the party? If people know that I work hard and they want to work with me, what is wrong with that?” the first lady said.

A visibly angry Mugabe told the same rally that he and his wife were tired of constant insults from people who identified themselves as Mnangagwa supporters.

Fears of the return of 2008’s hyperinflation have led to panic-buying and rocketing prices in Zimbabwe, while confidence in the parallel “bond note” currency, launched by the government nearly a year ago, has collapsed.

The fractured opposition, meanwhile, has been unable to channel national discontent into a strong play for power. The main opposition leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, has health problems and recently received treatment in South Africa.

Elections are due in Zimbabwe next year.

Mnangagwa was appointed vice-president in 2014, taking over from Joice Mujuru, who was axed after Grace Mugabe launched a campaign accusing her of plotting to topple the president.
 
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Last line shall off course be;
Like it or not, western politics is at least as much as guys as Mugabe to blame for the misery in large parts of Africa.
 
Last line shall off course be;
Like it or not, western politics is at least as much as guys as Mugabe to blame for the misery in large parts of Africa.

And the rest of the world too, especially the middle east.
 
Another stupid woman:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/06/woman-trump-middle-finger-fired-juli-briskman

Woman who gave Donald Trump the middle finger fired from her job

  • Juli Briskman said marketing company bosses called her in and fired her
  • Briskman, 50, says she has no regrets about flipping off Trump motorcade
A woman whose picture went viral after she raised her middle finger at Donald Trump as his motorcade passed her on her bicycle has been fired from her job.

Juli Briskman was cycling in Virginia last month when she offered the gesture in a gut reaction to Trump’s policies, she said.

“He was passing by and my blood just started to boil,” she told the Huffington Post. “I’m thinking, Daca recipients are getting kicked out. He pulled ads for open enrollment in Obamacare. Only one third of Puerto Rico has power. I’m thinking, he’s at the damn golf course again.

“I flipped off the motorcade a number of times.”

A photographer traveling with the presidential motorcade snapped Briskman’s picture and the image quickly spread across news outlets and social media. Many hailed Briskman as a hero, with some saying she should run in the 2020 election. Late-night comedy hosts also picked up the story.

Briskman had been working as a marketing and communications specialist for a Virginia-based federal contractor, Akima, for six months. She thought it best to alert the HR department to the online fuss. Bosses then called her into a meeting, she said.

“They said, ‘We’re separating from you,’” Briskman told the Huffington Post. “‘Basically, you cannot have lewd or obscene things in your social media.’ So they were calling flipping him off obscene.”

She said the company was displeased she had used the image as her profile picture on Twitter and Facebook, and told her it violated social media policy and could hurt the company’s reputation as a government contractor.

Briskman said she pointed out that her social media pages do not mention her employer, and that the incident happened on her own time. She also said another employee had written a profane insult about someone on Facebook, but had been allowed to keep his job after deleting the post and being reprimanded.

Virginia, however, has “at will” employment laws, meaning private-sector employers can fire people for any reason.

Suddenly, the 50-year-old mother of two found herself looking for a new job.

Briskman, who votes Democratic, said she planned to look for a new job with an advocacy group she believes in, such as Planned Parenthood or People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

After leaving his Virginia golf club and before passing Briskman, Trump’s motorcade passed a pedestrian who gave a vigorous thumbs-down gesture. Another woman had been standing outside the entrance to the golf club, holding a sign saying “Impeach”.

As news of Briskman’s firing spread, many social media users asked why she was being penalized for expressing free speech on her own time, under the first amendment to the US constitution.

Akima did not immediately respond to a request for comment. On Monday, its website went down. Someone began a crowdfunding page online to raise money for Briskman.

Briskman said she had no regrets about the attention her public show of displeasure received. In fact, she said, she was happy to be an image of protest.

“In some ways, I’m doing better than ever,” she said. “I’m angry about where our country is right now. I am appalled. This was an opportunity for me to say something.”
 
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And the rest of the world too, especially the middle east.

Yes, and the Chinese. But they do not try to pretend that they "help".

Really strange that the west embraces capitalism, free trade and all this nice things that has proven to work and give growth, welfare and lots of good things; but then tries to "help" Africa by enforcing what is really hard core socialism, even communism; a philosophy proven to create nothing but misery.
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5067091/US-journalist-25-freed-prison-Zimbabwe.html

US journalist, 25, freed from 'hell hole' prison in Zimbabwe but is told she can't leave the country after allegedly calling Mugabe 'selfish and sick' on Twitter


  • Martha O'Donovan was arrested in the Zimbabwean capital Harare on Friday
  • Police say she tweeted 'we are being led by a sick and selfish man' on October 11
  • It came from a Twitter user who tweets under the handle @matigary
  • She has now been freed after a judge ruled there was no reason to jail her



A US journalist has been freed from a 'hell hole' prison in Zimbabwe but has been told she can't leave the country after allegedly calling President Mugabe 'selfish and sick' on Twitter.

Martha O'Donovan had been charged with attempting to overthrow Mugabe as well as undermining or insulting the veteran leader, now 93.

Her arrest in a dawn raid at her apartment last Friday came just weeks after the government appointed a cybersecurity minister tasked with policing social media.

She was today released after a judge sided with the defence and accepted that the state had failed to justify the reason for remanding her in custody.

The journalist was likely held in the notorious Harare Central prison which is known for overcrowding and 'decrepit' conditions.

O'Donovan's lawyer Obey Shava, said outside the High Court in Harare: 'Ms Martha O'Donovan has been granted $1,000 bail (860 euros) and ordered to reside at a given address, surrender her passport... and report [to detectives] twice a week.'

O'Donovan was accused of being behind a tweet posted by anonymous Twitter user @matigary on October 11.

The tweet labeled Mugabe, 93, a 'selfish and sick' man and suggested he was relying on a catheter.

Police claimed they traced its IP address to her home and they said she is behind the entire account despite the fact that it was still active on Saturday even after she was thrown in jail.

'LOL they think she is me,' said one of the tweets. The person behind the account also joked that they had tried to turn themselves in but that the authorities wanted to keep O'Donovan behind bars because she is foreign.

O'Donovan is a producer for the political satire TV network Magamba and who has studied human rights across Africa for years.

She was likely being held in one of two notoriously grotty prisons - Chikurubi or Harare Central.

Authorities in Zimbabwe said they traced the IP address of the October 11 post to O'Donovan's home and they believe she is behind the account.

A judge dismissed her lawyers' motion to throw out the arrest warrant on Saturday.

O'Donovan, a graduate of NYU, has been in Zimbabwe for the last year working for the local TV network Magamba and bar tending.

She went to Africa in 2013 to teach young local people how to become radio journalists as part of her NYU fellowship on human rights in Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Magamba TV, which she now works as a producer for, describes itself the home of 'satirical comedy sensations'.

As news of her arrest emerged on Friday, a #FreeMartha social media campaign calling for her release went viral.

The woman's family in her hometown of Martinsville, New Jersey, did not yet comment on her arrest at the time.

Her arrest warrant stated that on October 11, she, under the Twitter handle @matigary, tweeted: 'We are being led by a sick and selfish man'.

It was said she 'founded' Magamba - the network which she works for - and allege that she may be trying to 'overthrow' the government through her work for it.

Magamba was founded in 2007, when she was 15, by Comrade Fatso & Outspoken, two African men and hip hop artists.

Police say she also retweeted one of @matigary's tweets on the Magamba Twitter account which referred to Mugabe as a 'goblin'.

But on Saturday, as she sat in jail after handing over all of her electronics, @matigary was still active.

'LOL I am in and still tweeting,' the account posted, pretending to be her.

In another tweet, they said: 'I think I should sue Goblin for putting my name into disrepute.'

O'Donovan's arrest is the first of its kind since Mugabe appointed a minister for cybersecurity last month.

It was a move which human rights activists criticized, claiming it infringed on free speech.

In a statement before her court appearance, she said: 'I deny the allegations leveled against me as baseless and malicious.'

O'Donovan, a graduate of New York University, previously referred to herself as a 'media activist.'

Earlier this year, she presented a talk at a republica digital culture conference on 'How Zimbabweans Rebel Online'.

She was previously involved with campaigning for the release of Pastor Evan Mawarire who was jailed last year on similar charges.

She traveled to Africa in 2013 to work for The Children's Radio Foundation where she said her job was to train local young people to become reporters.

It was part of her fellowship at NYU Gallatin which focused on human rights in African cities.

Upon her return in 2014, she said during one speech: 'I think I came back with a lot more questions than answers.'

It is not clear when she returned to Africa but Magamba said she has been working for them in Zimbabwe for around a year.

O'Donovan's case highlights the growing concern for human rights in Zimbabwe where hundreds have been prosecuted for appearing to undermine or insult Mugabe.

'This arrest marks the start of a sinister new chapter in the Zimbabwean government's clampdown on freedom of speech, and the new battleground is social media,' said Amnesty International's deputy regional director, Muleya Mwananyanda.

The TV network that she works for tweeted on Saturday: 'It's not all about Martha, it's about every Zimbabwean. This is an attempt to silence our voice. Stifle freedom .

'Free Martha or arrest us all.'

INSIDE HELLHOLE ZIMBABWE PRISONS WHERE MUGABE SENDS JOURNALISTS

Martha O'Donovan is not the first journalist or American citizen to be held in Zimbabwe under charges against the president.

Mugabe and the country's police force has a long history of arresting journalists covering elections in the country or others who speak out against the government.

She was likely at Harare Central Prison, a notorious complex which is known for overcrowding and 'decrepit' conditions.

In 2008, New York Times journalist Barry Bearak described the conditions there after spending several days in a cell. He had been arrested for 'committing journalism' by reporting on the country's elections without accreditation.

Afterwards, he described the 'decrepit' cells which were without electricity and described as some of the 'worst' in the country.

'The hallways were entirely desolate and silent but for the squeaking of our shoes and intermittent drips from exposed pipes.

'At such an ominous time, my senses felt eerily deprived, except for smell. With every step, the odor of the urine-soaked lockup grew a bit stronger,' he said.

Others have described the dense overcrowding and harsh conditions inside.

In 2013, in an apparent show of transparency, the government invited local journalists to choose any of its prisons so that they could report on the conditions themselves.

Local news outlet The Standard visited Harare Central Prison and said they were surprised by the good conditions there.
 
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While her actions may seem commendable to freedom loving people, her performance just reinforces the foreigners' impression that Americans are arrogant, self righteous, condescending and indifferent to local customs.

Just had to do it.

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Yeah. I'm not defending Mugabe, because he is a dictator. But I bet she is the kind of person that would make the same remarks about Trump.
 

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The question is, can Auntie Grace keep the existing black mafioso in check and will the Chinese fund it?
Related to that: Grace is now the NEW vice president.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ice-president-emmerson-mnangagwa-grace-mugabe

Robert Mugabe sacks vice-president to clear path to power for wife

Dismissal of Emmerson Mnangagwa, once seen as likely successor to Zimbabwe’s president, paves way for Grace Mugabe to take over

Robert Mugabe has fired his powerful vice-president, clearing the way for his wife, Grace, to succeed him as leader of Zimbabwe.

The information minister, Simon Khaya Moyo, told reporters at a press conference in Harare on Monday that Emmerson Mnangagwa had been removed from his post.

Moyo said Mnangagwa, 75, a former intelligence chief, had exhibited disloyalty, disrespect and deceitfulness.

Tensions are rising in Zimbabwe amid a deteriorating economy and a vicious struggle to succeed Mugabe, who is 93 and visibly ailing after 37 years in power. The sacking of Mnangagwa appears to settle that contest in favour of Mugabe’s wife, who is 52.

The first lady is far from a popular figure in Zimbabwe. Her image has suffered after an alleged assault on a model she found in the company of her sons in a luxury apartment in Johannesburg, South Africa.

Granted diplomatic immunity after the incident, Grace Mugabe was allowed to leave South Africa despite a police inquiry. She denies any wrongdoing.

Reports of extravagant purchases, including property in South Africa and a Rolls-Royce, have also angered many in Zimbabwe, where an economic crisis has deepened.

Until recently, Mnangagwa was tipped as Mugabe’s likely successor, partly because of his support within the country’s powerful security establishment and among veterans of Zimbabwe’s 1970s guerilla war.

Despite his alleged involvement in atrocities in the 1980s, Mnangagwa was also the preferred candidate of much of the international community, where he was seen as most likely to guarantee a stable transition and implement economic reforms.

The feud between Mnangagwa and Grace Mugabe has been bitter and public. Last month the first lady, who leads the women’s league of the ruling Zanu-PF party, publicly denied she was behind the attempted poisoning of her rival in remarks broadcast on state TV.

Mnangagwa claimed he had been poisoned when he fell ill at a rally in August and had to be airlifted to hospital in South Africa. The veteran official has seen his own political stock plummet after accusations from party rivals that he was plotting to get Mugabe to step down in his favour. He denies the accusation.

On Saturday, Grace Mugabe cranked up the pressure against Mnangagwa, calling him the “root cause of factionalism” that was gnawing at Zanu-PF. She also accused the vice-president’s supporters of booing her while she gave her speech.

“What if I get in [as vice-president]? What’s wrong with that? Am I not in the party? If people know that I work hard and they want to work with me, what is wrong with that?” the first lady said.

A visibly angry Mugabe told the same rally that he and his wife were tired of constant insults from people who identified themselves as Mnangagwa supporters.

Fears of the return of 2008’s hyperinflation have led to panic-buying and rocketing prices in Zimbabwe, while confidence in the parallel “bond note” currency, launched by the government nearly a year ago, has collapsed.

The fractured opposition, meanwhile, has been unable to channel national discontent into a strong play for power. The main opposition leader, Morgan Tsvangirai, has health problems and recently received treatment in South Africa.

Elections are due in Zimbabwe next year.

Mnangagwa was appointed vice-president in 2014, taking over from Joice Mujuru, who was axed after Grace Mugabe launched a campaign accusing her of plotting to topple the president.

grace will be wacked,there standing in the wings to take over.
 
Guttormn...........you are correct.................The West did NOTHING to help the people of Zimbabwe. With the philosophy that anything black in Africa is great, and anything white is evil, Western Governments threw bunches of money at Africa, which only prolonged the misery. Terrified that any negative statement against a despot could be construed as racist, the West initially cheered and promoted Mugabe. Look at the fotos of Bob and Queen Elizabeth 2 in Harare in 1991, Secretary of State Muskie, UN Sec General and others kissing arse. Like watching a man drown without even throwing a life preserver, many share the shame for Zim's destruction. At least the lady in question in this thread did something. Sadly, many African countries have little to be proud of that wasn't developed in the Colonial eras...........roads, bridges, churches....even their form of government were inherited from an era they hate. I have often wondered why so many Zimbabweans love Mugabe........they would rather be starved and beaten by his forces than embrace another way of life. That will be difficult to change. Getting rid of Bob is a start. I salute this young lady.....................................FWB
 
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