Discussion in 'Up To .375' started by Coldswede, Jul 30, 2017.
If the condition is original and what it appears to be, then that is a fair price for that weapon.
Damn .. when it rains it pours .. here are two more ) both never been used first one 9.3 and the second one 453 win mag
sorry typo .. 458 win mag
Now for my tastes, THAT is a rifle! Solid ribs have always seemed perfection to me. Also love the pre-WWI style forend attachment. Much more elegant than a screw. What caliber?
The second is also a wonderful thing. Beautiful engraving, minimalist Teutonic stock - I am sure it will kick like a mule, but it will carry like a dream for miles and miles. The single rear claw base is interesting. Perhaps for something like an red- dot or aimpoint sight?
I guess .. I have not asked .. shootist43 will for sure make a comment on the condition of the screws )) but both guns have never been fired .. did you see the barrel on the other one ?? it is half octagonal..
for both of them he is asking 25000 euros ..
Wait .. my mistake now that I read your message again by solid ribs you meant the barrel ..
It is 9.3x62 caliber
Assuming it's a guild rifle, the first one would be a 3000-4000 USD rifle - maybe as much as 5.500 in 9.3x62. The second one depends upon the engraving. If a well known engraver, then the sky is the limit. If unknown, then I would think 10-12,000 USD would be a reasonable offer. I would want to understand that single claw base and it's intent. Not sure how this works where you are looking, but assuming higher costs in the Euro-zone, and further assuming he may be motivated to move them, making an offer of 20K Euros would not seem out of line. Settling around 22000 likely would make everyone happy.
I will ask him about the single claw .. he says the guy he bought them from has paid 22000 euros in Germany for both rifles. You have to multiply by 2 to have them imported to Turkey .. so 25000 euros seems to be a great price .. I am still waiting for the 1944 Mauser .the owner promised to look at the registration file if some kind of documentation exist from 1944 .. the owner of the C 96 pistol also waiting a firm offer from me .. all of a sudden so many choices )
From a purely investment standpoint, the c96 is hard to walk away from. However, were it my 25k euro's, I would work a deal on those last two rifles. Both are lovely, useful things.
Except I have no idea what a collimator is, I use the same procedure with the same results.
I wonder with the single rear claw attachment that the front one was on the barrel, but the rifle has been re-barreled and the front attachment not done/lost? 458 Win mag would be an unusual chambering in an older mauser.
458 winmag sure is a more uncommon sight in order mausers so it might be rebarreld.
I wondered that as well - but the over all quality was so high, I couldn't see someone not removing the rear base and filling the holes. The engraving obviously seems to support an African caliber and getting rid of the rear base evidence would have been fairly simple for the engraver. But you may very well be right. That appears to be a very light rifle for a really big round. It's a mystery.
By buying the 458 Win Mag, you would be paying for "pretty." That is kind of like asking how much a diamond is worth. That 9.3 x 62 on the other hand is something I'd jump all over. That caliber more than fills the role the 30-06 would have played, had you been able to purchase it. I may be mistaken, but I think your 416 Rigby will do anything the 458 Win Mag can do and then some.
Guys, I'm way out of my comfort zone here but can a Peep sight be mounted in that rear claw?
Yes, though the island rear sight might preclude it. The rear base works by sliding the "wings" to the rear. Any sort of modern red dot would need a customized base as would a peep. Any number of gunmakers in Europe could create it, though I have never seen such an application. I am more and more thinking that Stug has this correct, and the base is indeed a left over.
A collimator is a device that you put into the end of a barrel that has a small screen on it. You rotate it so that the vertical and horizontal lines are "square with the rifle then you adjust the scope so that it lines up with the collimator. It is just used to "get the gun on paper" much like what bore sighting does. It is something that can be done from a bench and generally takes only a few minutes.
I'm not so sure about the rear base being a left over. I've never seen a base that was attached to a barrel. The front base is usually attached to the receiver. But in this case obviously not. I wonder if "Rothenberger" can be contacted for an explanation.
Cem, just did a little looking on the internet. You can probably send the photos you have of the 458 to
firstname.lastname@example.org and ask them any questions you may have.
Have a look at a few of the Dorleac and Dorleac rifles. Sometimes the front ring is around the objective lens/bell which means the front base has to be on the barrel to give enough length.
I think it was also done to preserve the front action ring for engraving or too keep the makers name/crest that was put there.
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