Exchange of gunfire with poachers/armed men in the bush

375Fox said:

I think this would be a very rare event in today’s Africa where most hunters go (exceptions for central and west Africa). Every meat poacher I’ve seen has run. They know if they stand their ground they are likely to lose in the end in some way. If they run, the hunting party likely isn’t going to directly pursue. They’ll call in anti-poaching that will take some time to arrive then punishments generally aren’t that heavy if caught and if they even get prosecuted. If a white man kills a black man in Africa in a situation like this, he stands to lose a lot. The law will favor the black man. The shoot, shovel, shut up idea sounds great until you realize he wasn’t alone and his friends report the incident or a tracker decides he’s been wronged a year or two later. Most outfitters and PHs I’ve seen want to leave this stuff to their black anti-poaching guys or game rangers. There seems to be more acceptance of this by locals than a white man being directly involved.
The only area poachers really concerned me was Cameroon. We saw them, they ran, but that doesn’t mean you can’t run into the wrong one. Especially if it was a surprise encounter up close. The nomadic cattle herders can also be violent there and could be seen daily. They receive constant “harassment” to leave the hunting areas. Also, something I found interesting. There are kidnappings in northern Cameroon and the gangs can hide in the hunting areas. I asked my PH if foreign hunters were targets. He said No and the reasoning made a lot of sense. When they kidnap their own, the authorities won’t go out of their way to find them afterwards. If they kidnap an American, the army will be in next day to wipe them out. I suspect that is part of reason no Americans have been targeted in Niassa also.

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mark-hunter said:

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Hunter-Habib said:

Yes.
Rhodesia, 1976.

By the way, you don’t need to shovel up to dispose of a corpse. They can be detected by using hounds.

A tree trunk, a coil of nylon rope and a body of running water works much better.

What happens in the bush stays in the bush.

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Major Bonkers said:

Please explain how to use the tree trunk, nylon rope, and running water. I'm intrigued!

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Hunter-Habib said:

What happens when you throw a tree trunk into the river ? And something happens to be tied to the tree trunk ?

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Major Bonkers said:

I'm not sure that that is a very good method, though, because the corpse will still remain (albeit somewhere else). The advantage in Africa is that there are various large carnivores available. If I had to dispose of a body in Africa, I would either use the traditional method of digging a large hole or move the body close to a hyena den/ crocodile sand bar, and so on: a bit like the Tibetan 'sky burial', perhaps.

Some five or six years ago, I was shown some WhatsApp photographs of a number of dead black gentlemen who had been ambushed on their way to raid a farm. They were laid out on the ground ('like pheasants', as the chap who showed me the pictures commented approvingly) and the set included a group photograph of the ambushers, wearing balaclavas. Presumably the corpses were disposed of without troubling the authorities.

I remember reading a policemen interviewed at the time of the Peter Falconio murder, who explained that the various creatures in the Australian outback make short work of disposing of a body, even the bones, and he doubted that any remains would be found after a comparatively short time - 8 months or so?

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Major Bonkers said:

I'm not sure that that is a very good method, though, because the corpse will still remain (albeit somewhere else). The advantage in Africa is that there are various large carnivores available. If I had to dispose of a body in Africa, I would either use the traditional method of digging a large hole or move the body close to a hyena den/ crocodile sand bar, and so on: a bit like the Tibetan 'sky burial', perhaps.

Some five or six years ago, I was shown some WhatsApp photographs of a number of dead black gentlemen who had been ambushed on their way to raid a farm. They were laid out on the ground ('like pheasants', as the chap who showed me the pictures commented approvingly) and the set included a group photograph of the ambushers, wearing balaclavas. Presumably the corpses were disposed of without troubling the authorities.

I remember reading a policemen interviewed at the time of the Peter Falconio murder, who explained that the various creatures in the Australian outback make short work of disposing of a body, even the bones, and he doubted that any remains would be found after a comparatively short time - 8 months or so?

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Major Bonkers said:

I am afraid that I was shown the photographs on someone else's telephone. I do not recall the photographs as being particularly messy: similar to newspaper photographs.

I would imagine that some South African contributors have come across these photographs.

Just having such images on your telephone potentially exposes you to criminal prosecution in the UK.

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wildwilderness said:

I think I recall a Tim Miranda video hunting somewhere in africa and they got shot at- might have been caught in a political uprising or some. I will have to see if I can find the video-

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Major Bonkers said:

I'm not sure that that is a very good method, though, because the corpse will still remain (albeit somewhere else). The advantage in Africa is that there are various large carnivores available. If I had to dispose of a body in Africa, I would either use the traditional method of digging a large hole or move the body close to a hyena den/ crocodile sand bar, and so on: a bit like the Tibetan 'sky burial', perhaps.

Some five or six years ago, I was shown some WhatsApp photographs of a number of dead black gentlemen who had been ambushed on their way to raid a farm. They were laid out on the ground ('like pheasants', as the chap who showed me the pictures commented approvingly) and the set included a group photograph of the ambushers, wearing balaclavas. Presumably the corpses were disposed of without troubling the authorities.

I remember reading a policemen interviewed at the time of the Peter Falconio murder, who explained that the various creatures in the Australian outback make short work of disposing of a body, even the bones, and he doubted that any remains would be found after a comparatively short time - 8 months or so?

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Hunter-Habib said:

Yes.
Rhodesia, 1976.

By the way, you don’t need to shovel up to dispose of a corpse. They can be detected by using hounds.

A tree trunk, a coil of nylon rope and a body of running water works much better.

What happens in the bush stays in the bush.

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LeftySixgun said:

GEEZ!! I suddenly want to leave my Ruger No.1 home and take atleast a bolt action

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mark-hunter said:

Dont be too modest. Take ar15 and glock 17, at least. hahaha

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