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What @Big_Easy failed to account for why executive compensation is paid in options, is that Wages are capped at 1 Million as a deduction.
What @wesheltonj failed to account for is that Section 162(m) didn't even exist until the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993, and it had a large loophole in it. A loophole that wasn't closed until The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. And that the data I cited goes back to 1978.
Not because the executives want to be paid at Capital Gains rates.
The current top marginal tax rate is 37% for ordinary earned income, and 20% for capital gains. Your hypothesis is that executives want to be taxed at 37% versus 20%.

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Yes, I understand balancing the value of your labor versus the compensation but that is shortsighted in terms of paying some dues to move up the chain.
Warning: Definition of "dues" varies greatly in America, proceed with caution.
We are talking about entry level jobs here. You’ve got to walk before you can run.
Except they're not entry level jobs. That's been my point for months now. As I've stated earlier, food service industry jobs (burger flippers and associated) now account for roughly 10% of ALL employment in America now. But low-paying jobs in general (<$15/hour) account for almost 1 in 5 jobs in America now. Consider it <$17/hr, and the number rises to almost 1 in 4.

This isn't the 1970s. We lost 5 million manufacturing jobs in this country when we implemented shareholder value theory and "free trade." Plus another 5 million more associated jobs. This is what I mean when (how did @TX049 put it?) I say that the American Value Proposition has fundamentally changed. Your math doesn't math Scott.
 
It may appear that way, but do you have proof? It seems to me that the government not sending out reminders anymore was possibly a cost cutting measure given the tough economic times. If you add up all the postcards for every registration for every resident in the state, even considering discounted postage costs, that could be a few million dollars in avoided postage costs. Perhaps the result of some DOGE predecessor?

Sounds like a lease tax. But I suppose a tax is a tax. I don't have any experience with those as I've always lived on the east coast.

Those permit holders sound like big businesses run by rich guys to me, yours sounds like a small business, run by you (wealth status unknown). Are you saying the laws are written in such a way that gives big businesses and the rich an unfair competitive advantage over small businesses by design? Careful now, lest someone on this forum declare that you too are anti-capitalist.

Sounds like they have high paid lobbyists, and you don't. Almost like the game is rigged in their favor. But we know that's not true because @Red Leg just got done telling us how decent, reasonable, and awesome big business was. :unsure:
Read it again. They sent the postcards out again the next year and every year since.

As for the property tax on land not owned, claiming we have a "possessory interest", we are all still paying the tax. I also was pointing out how outfitting differs from those other industries where they have a more exclusive right to their activities than outfitters do. All federal permits are being taxed and as I said, the feds are also making PILT payments so the counties are double dipping.
 
Warning: Definition of "dues" varies greatly in America, proceed with caution.

Except they're not entry level jobs. That's been my point for months now. As I've stated earlier, food service industry jobs (burger flippers and associated) now account for roughly 10% of ALL employment in America now. But low-paying jobs in general (<$15/hour) account for almost 1 in 5 jobs in America now. Consider it <$17/hr, and the number rises to almost 1 in 4.

This isn't the 1970s. We lost 5 million manufacturing jobs in this country when we implemented shareholder value theory and "free trade." Plus another 5 million more associated jobs. This is what I mean when (how did @TX049 put it?) I say that the American Value Proposition has fundamentally changed. Your math doesn't math Scott.
Your math doesn't math. Ten percent is not too high for entry level. Do you really think people are or should aspire to stay in these jobs and not work for a promotion? Restaurants, for example, each have supervisors and usually, four managers - two in the back of the house and two in the front. It is not that hard to get promoted unless you are a slacker.
 
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This morning a John Stossel video popped into my feed that was shocking even to me. He completely debunked myths that young people are having a harder time than prior generations. The data he cited was remarkable: unemployment way lower today, most people didn't go to or save for college, the family car was junk and lasted half as long, Gen-Z incomes are 50% higher inflation adjusted from Baby Boomers of same age, etc, etc.

The video: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18LB9k2uSf/

The original meme:

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The accurate meme:

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Your math doesn't math. Ten percent is not too high for entry level. Do you really think people are or should aspire to stay in these jobs and not work for a promotion? Restaurants, for example, each have supervisors and usually, four managers - two in the back of the house and two in the front. It is not that hard to get promoted unless you are a slacker.
Work has value and not all work has the same value. Somewhere along the way the government, be it state or federal but mostly state, has decided that wage controls are a good thing. Entry level jobs are exactly that, entry level. Politicians ''love to say things like "you can't feed a family of 4 on minimum wage", like that's the goal of minimum wage. The situation that they've now created is to treat all jobs as equal in terms of value when they are not. Some states FORCE restaurants to pay exurbanite wages for front-facing employees who get tips (untaxed now) on top of that; and now they are doing tip shamming where they tell customers what to tip. It's amazing that any of these low margin businesses can even exist, many can't and how does that help these entry level employees.
 
Work has value and not all work has the same value. Somewhere along the way the government, be it state or federal but mostly state, has decided that wage controls are a good thing. Entry level jobs are exactly that, entry level. Politicians ''love to say things like "you can't feed a family of 4 on minimum wage", like that's the goal of minimum wage. The situation that they've now created is to treat all jobs as equal in terms of value when they are not. Some states FORCE restaurants to pay exurbanite wages for front-facing employees who get tips (untaxed now) on top of that; and now they are doing tip shamming where they tell customers what to tip. It's amazing that any of these low margin businesses can even exist, many can't and how does that help these entry level employees.
Trying to put common sense to Liberal logic will just give you a headache!
 
We used to use HOMES to remember the Great Lake names. It looks like SHAME will be the new acronym.
 
What @wesheltonj failed to account for is that Section 162(m) didn't even exist until the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act 1993, and it had a large loophole in it. A loophole that wasn't closed until The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. And that the data I cited goes back to 1978.

The current top marginal tax rate is 37% for ordinary earned income, and 20% for capital gains. Your hypothesis is that executives want to be taxed at 37% versus 20%.

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No, my Hypothesis is that the Corporations want the tax deduction for the executive salary. That's that's why executives are paid in Options. The Options only work if the stock price is above their receipt price. Paid in Stock is a different animal.

And it was Bill Clinton who signed that bill limiting the compensation to 1 Million pass by a Democrat congress.
 

Now even live sporting events need to be included as part of living wage.

It never ends, just a different form of keeping up with Jones, see something on the internet or hear what someone else is doing and go I deserve to be able to afford that.
 
The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate floor but the sand of the colosseum.
you know, Tubby, you are just wise beyond your years, and this ain't the first time.
 

Now even live sporting events need to be included as part of living wage.

It never ends, just a different form of keeping up with Jones, see something on the internet or hear what someone else is doing and go I deserve to be able to afford that.
Working class people can afford to attend live sporting events. Its a matter of priority and spending patterns.

My middle daughter works an entry level job at Disney (part of their "college program" where they take college kids, insert them into their corporate campus at a paupers wages and train them while covering most of the cost of their university studies.. when they graduate they move into management).. she absolutely lives check to check while she is paying her dues..

And somehow manages to take either an international trip each year or a big domestic trip to go see a concert or some other event.. I think she shelled out about $4K a couple of years ago.. her and several friends flew to London and then Paris to see a Harry Styles concert and have a good time for a week.. they ate as cheap as they could.. all stayed in a single hotel room, etc.. but.. somehow a single girl making just enough money to get by in a pretty expensive city (Orlando) was able to pull off such a trip (and she does something similar every year)...

She simply manages her money closely and saves..

Funny.. thats the same shit I had to do 35 years ago if I wanted to do something like a pro sporting event or a major concert or take a vacation...

I wonder why most "working class" people today think its impossible to do???

Taylor Swift is selling out stadiums all over the world every day.. the Super Bowl is never empty.. and the overwhleming majority of people that attend those events arent in their 50's, nearing retirement, at peak income levels.. and most certainly arent "rich"... so how are they pulling it off? and the poor people in New York cant seem to do it without state and municipal assistance?
 

Now even live sporting events need to be included as part of living wage.

It never ends, just a different form of keeping up with Jones, see something on the internet or hear what someone else is doing and go I deserve to be able to afford that.
It's funny how different cultures think about pro sports and its role in society, in America it is all about the money and profit, now even for college sports.

In other places pro sports is thought of as part of the community, not just a profit making engine for larger corporations, the rich or even nations.

For instance, three of the biggest, most successful, most valuable teams in soccer are owned by their fans and make a concerted effort to keep ticket prices reasonable. For those that don't follow soccer that would be Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Almost all of the teams in Germany are owned by their fans.

In England the fight over reasonable ticket prices has gone on for years. It's called the "20 is plenty" movement.

I kind of appreciate how these teams can be elite in competition and still part of the community with ticket prices that allow the working man to go to matches. It helps build community and gives people a pretty healthy outlet. Not everything has to be a profit center to have value. Those three teams have had massive success and make reams of money without the profit motive. It is a fascinating model.

The long time President of Bayern (a well known capitalist) made a great statement about ticket prices:

“We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income, but what's £2m to us?”

“In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan. We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk.”


I just don't see the problem with NYC promoting some community by helping some working stiffs go to a local sporting event. Scrooge much?
 
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the Super Bowl is never empty.. and the overwhleming majority of people that attend those events arent in their 50's, nearing retirement, at peak income levels.. and most certainly arent "rich"... so how are they pulling it off? and the poor people in New York cant seem to do it without state and municipal assistance?
You are right the Super Bowl is never empty. But it is filled with rich folks and the tickets literally don't go on sale at all to the general public:

"According to market tracking data, the average household income of an in-person stadium spectator sits comfortably above $200,000 to $250,000 annually."
 
To me it seems like an exercise in futility to compare which generation has or had it the hardest. They Rocked and sucked for all of them.

The great wars and depression seems like it sucked pretty bad so did Korea but the 50’s and 60’s were considered a golden age in the world and you had pensions and jobs galore that would promote from within and help you build skills without a degree.

The late 60’s and 70’s seem shitty with Vietnam and mass inflation. But the 80’s and 90’s seem great and you got an 401k.. but people lost pensions and the family unit started to suffer and that trend has continued with each subsequent generation.

the whole 2000’s have been war and a recession mixed with a bull market that was created by destroying America and making them go broke with quantitative easing. But we live in a time with a lot of modern luxury and the internet has made information readily available.

When I look at each generation I see great people and pretty sorry people. That’s fact and that’s life. Sure baby boomers have the most wealth but also the vast majority of them are broke like every other generation.

Gen x is possibly the smallest generation but they have built more businesses than the generation before them.

And a lot of the millennials are either very pro business or very pro family that I know though many are selfish.

The other gen’s are too young for me to attempt to comment on.

I remember one thing people seem to forget. You see people as they are today not as they were or will be. My wife has commented about how awesome the silent gen was as grandparents and how terrible most younger baby boomers seem to be as grandparents because they seem to be more selfish or how great the silent gen had to be as parents. I told here you don’t have a clue how any of the older gen handled themselves when they were 20,30,40 years old. The other problem is when you complain about generations younger or older remember someone had to raise them.

My grandmother was a stern German woman from the silent gen. 6 kids 1 died the rest half did great half were screwups. That trend follows most families that I’ve observed from that generation.

People complain about how sorry every generation after them is and that thought is not new. The 50’s greaser, 60’s hippies,70’s punk and dope heads, 80’s coke heads every generation has been seen as worse by its predecessors. But I like I said people raised these people and their standards or didn’t raise them because they were to busy doing god know what.
 

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