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FISA Renewal passes in the Senate 62-30 with 8 not voting .
Many Republicans, as well as some Democrats voting nay, including Ted Cruz.

Warrantless surveillance
 
Scott CWO said:
I get that and largely agree but she falls for all manner of conspiracies.
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What qualifies as "conspiracy theory" in today's world is arguable by every measure. I'm not sure who gets credit for saying it, but the person who first said, "I need some new conspiracy theories because all of my old one's came true" is a prophet...

Secondly, whatever conspiracy theories you think she may subscribe to, it makes no difference in her commitment to carry out her mandates for her constituency.
 
I was glad to see the speaker hold his ground and pass much needed aid for Ukraine. Perhaps we will see a growing willingness for pragmatic folks to ignore the extreme right and left, and drive some common sense back into our country.
 
Brent in Az said:
Roy voted against it because they wanted to include it in the foreign aid package, and not as a stand alone bill, which would die a quick death in the Senate.
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Win elections then you can get 100% of what you want, otherwise one has to work with the hand dealt.

What is interesting is that the Ukraine bill demonstrated the true Democracy. People voted their conscience. The bill passed in a bipartisan manner.

Now, question for you. How do you propose the bills that the far right wants would pass the House, the Democrat controlled Senate and be signed into law by Biden? Under what circumstances would this happen? Especially, seeing that they consider working with Democrats on anything as treason.
 
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112 fiscally pragmatic Republicans voted no on the Ukraine bill.

112 republicans that voted with a conscience.
 
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Maybe it's not a PERFECT parallel, but for some reason when I think of the Freedom Caucus (I actually like Tanks naming of them better) that dodo scene from Ice Age comes to mind (the first 40 seconds pretty much capture how I see them). That seems to be how they often act.

 
BSO Dave said:
What qualifies as "conspiracy theory" in today's world is arguable by every measure. I'm not sure who gets credit for saying it, but the person who first said, "I need some new conspiracy theories because all of my old one's came true" is a prophet...

Secondly, whatever conspiracy theories you think she may subscribe to, it makes no difference in her commitment to carry out her mandates for her constituency.
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I suggest you research the conspiracy theories she subscribed to and then how she later walked it back.
 
jpr9954 said:
Let me preface my comments by saying I was an adjunct in a dept of accounting, finance, and economics for 10 years at our local state university teaching financial planning and retirement planning. My undergraduate degree was in political science and economics at a liberal arts college and I took zero business courses. 1-2 20-page term papers were the usual requirement for every class.

I did not take my first accounting class or any business class until I was in my mid to late 30s as they were pre-requisites for the masters in project management program I was entering. I don't disagree that students should take at least a class in financial accounting and a general financial planning class would not hurt either.

While not speaking for current liberal arts education as I think higher education has gone to hell in a handbasket due to grade inflation and lefty indoctrination, my liberal arts background served me very well in business over the years. I could think critically, I understood human behavior on both the individual and corporate levels, and I could write clearly.

Having seen undergraduate business education from the inside and having taken a number of these classes as a mature student, I think most business management classes do not prepare you any better for a career in business than a good solid liberal arts program. I would make an exception for accounting as it is a language that needs to be learned and perhaps finance.

Looking back at my former colleagues in the College of Business most - other than the accounting professors - did not have undergraduate degrees in business. Many did have STEM degrees in fields such as chemistry and engineering.
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I think we agree for the most part. Everyone should have to take classes in business or accounting and LA.
 
John Wasmuth said:
Sorry not sorry I was taught in the Marines not to blindly follow anyone. If you think we were all robots you are sadly mistaken
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I’m not mistaken about anything I have a son who’s still serving as an 05 who went trough hell and back and also served under Mattis.
Both Kelly and Mattis are outstanding marines worth following a lot more than a draft dodger.
 
BSO Dave said:
First of all, the Atlantic is a propaganda machine for the left... There is NOTHING fair or unbiased about their coverage on any subject...

Secondly, I am not a "fan" of MTG per se, but it's very easy to understand her appeal to her constituency if you consider that she is one of only a handful of conservative representatives in D.C. that actually represents the ideologies and agendas that she was elected to pursue. She was elected precisely because she vowed to the voters of her district that she would no longer continue to compromise and capitulate to the left. Sadly, that's such a rare quality in elected representatives these days, it shocks people...

She, along with a few others in the Freedom Causcus, have been mocked by some here for their uncompromising attitudes. Some have stated that this unwillingness to capitulate or compromise is damaging to our political system and the conservative cause. I would argue that the exact opposite is true... This perilous downward slide to the far left in D.C. will never be halted unless enough true conservatives refuse to capitulate to the left's ongoing lunacy... Compromising with the democrats in today's political atmosphere is as about as productive as negotiating with terrorists... And, likely more dangerous to the conservative agenda.
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Brent in Az said:
The people that lean towards the establishment side of politics expect everyone to toe the party line.
The reason they don't like the freedom caucus. Standing up and being vocal about what they believe in, seems to be frowned upon and ridiculed by the establishment crowd.
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I'm all for standing up against the establishment and pushing forth Conservative values... especially less Government... Like Reagan pushed and spoke so eloquently on.....

However we first need to win elections! The Democrats have their disagreements also.... But their factions unite when it comes right down it. Republicans seem bent on staying devided with the factions discussed holding so tightly to their ideals that they accomplish nothing! And cause us to lose elections, vital seats we MUST have in order to hold the line against these Leftists, much less push a Conservative agenda.

We should have had a great Red Wave the last election. All we got bloody piss. If Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate, even without the Presidency we could at least hold the line. As it is the House with it's very narrow and non functional majority, gets nowhere.

Win the damned elections, then tow the line! Those VITAL middle of the road voters Trump was so quickly dismissing as are several on here... Are absolutely vital to Republicans winning. The swing votes decide these elections, not the drum beaters nor those falling on swords.

We need to support our Republican candidates whomever they end up being because it is the overall policy we are fighting for. As much as hate politics and political parties... we need the Republicans to win elections and vote together or we loose this Country to the Leftists.
 
In an effort to show how the same information can appear differently, my interpretation is somewhat less noble than some others here with respect to the foreign aid bills.

Some representatives may really have voted their conscience. I would urge them to study economics and international interests more closely, but I will assume they thought it the right thing to do. But the majority of those 112 republicans voted to demonstrate their loyalty to Trump and his concept of America first was more important than their conscience or our national interests.

The overwhelming support of both houses in doing right thing gave them that political luxury.

I also can’t help but wonder what that less than the majority of the caucus voting against the package says about Trump’s actual leadership authority within the party.
 
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Romper room analogies of the freedom caucus. Cute.
Must be kindergarten day in the political forum.
 
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