Politics

[John Wasmuth]

MSN

More info on the flights from foreign lands to the US by Joe Biden. There is new info I had not seen before is why I post it.
The costs to this country under this routine are going to be staggering, even IF they did pay for their own flights which to me seems very doubtful as many of those being flown in probably couldnt rub two nickels together without making the Indian ride the buffalo!
More likely is the so called sponsors pay for the flights, after getting the money from the NGO's that got the money from Joe Biden who got it from the taxpayer!

Not to worry, a certain somebody will be along soon to gaslight you…..

 

[Red Leg]

For you military techies out there, another interesting clip from the front. This is a T-62 that has been modified by the Russians in hopes of surviving drone attacks. A couple of things are noteworthy. First, this is a T-62. Newer tanks are becoming ever rarer on the battlefield. Oryx now lists 2906 Russian tanks destroyed. To remind, these are only losses with photo or video confirmation. Their pre-war inventory of modernized combat vehicles is essentially extinct. Second, imagine trying to actually fight the enemy from this thing. Turret rotation and peripheral target/ threat acquisition is almost impossible. Finally, the UA drone operators have shown remarkable ability to fly their explosive laden drones into very small spaces, and the rear of the tank is the most susceptible area to catastrophic penetration.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1bzcdi0

The final strike in this video is at the rear.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1byqltz

The closest historical analogy that I can come up with might be the Wehrmacht Elephant at Kursk? It did not go well for it either.

 

[ActionBob]

Have to ask, as I have never heard of a permit for grazing livestock; is this a permit to expand a feedlot you're referencing?

A dairy barn. But it is considered a feedlot by the regulators.

 

[Boyd Brooks]

One for all the Canadians!

 

[Corey0372]

For you military techies out there, another interesting clip from the front. This is a T-62 that has been modified by the Russians in hopes of surviving drone attacks. A couple of things are noteworthy. First, this is a T-62. Newer tanks are becoming ever rarer on the battlefield. Oryx now lists 2906 Russian tanks destroyed. To remind, these are only losses with photo or video confirmation. Their pre-war inventory of modernized combat vehicles is essentially extinct. Second, imagine trying to actually fight the enemy from this thing. Turret rotation and peripheral target/ threat acquisition is almost impossible. Finally, the UA drone operators have shown remarkable ability to fly their explosive laden drones into very small spaces, and the rear of the tank is the most susceptible area to catastrophic penetration

The Russians have been using the T62s primarily in a mobile artillery role, often using their own drones to spot rounds (UAV operator can sit inside the tank sometimes) or with an FO. Hence why they don't feel the need to have 100% visibility or freedom of movement with the turret. As far as why the back is open.... maybe they weren't done with it yet?

I also wouldn't count out the possibility that this thing was purpose built/modified for a specific task.... maybe they have a specific trench it will be backed up to so the back can stay open ??? I say this bc I've personally seen all sorts of modded up stuff downrange, we had 240s, SATCOM radios, and IR lights on our Polaris rangers and 4wheelers.... why were we in those and not RG33s or MATVs?? Because the only bridge in town didn't support the weight!

One of the greatest "homemade" things I think I ever heard of/ came across was this M134 minigun setup one of our teams came up with. They strapped the gun down to an Air Force pallet and then built a sandbag ring around the edges of the pallet. When the FOB took fire they would identify the point of origin, and then have someone get on the minigun... and then another guy would get in the 10k forklift and lift the gunner up over the Hesco barriers to return fire, worked out bc you could quickly get it to any side of the camp with it. I can imagine how ridiculous that setup would've looked in an out of context picture though, haha. "Pathetic Americans resorting to construction equipment!!!"

The closest historical analogy that I can come up with might be the Wehrmacht Elephant at Kursk? It did not go well for it either.

I don't know if this is an accurate analogy, I doubt they put this together and thought "This is the perfect machine to take out Leopord's and Abrams'". There hasn't been a Kursk fight at all, probably won't be either. I think guys are just getting creative and adapting to their specific AO. Ever hear how the Rhino counter IED device was first developed? A toaster on a pole is what I heard.

Another oddity was guys using their Counter IED Dok-ing as mobile cover. Well, in all fairness it didn't start that way but it ended up that way.

 

[mdwest]

One of the greatest "homemade" things I think I ever heard of/ came across was this M134 minigun setup one of our teams came up with. They strapped the gun down to an Air Force pallet and then built a sandbag ring around the edges of the pallet. When the FOB took fire they would identify the point of origin, and then have someone get on the minigun... and then another guy would get in the 10k forklift and lift the gunner up over the Hesco barriers to return fire, worked out bc you could quickly get it to any side of the camp with it. I can imagine how ridiculous that setup would've looked in an out of context picture though, haha. "Pathetic Americans resorting to construction equipment!!!"

.

That’s just premium jarhead ingenuity…

Limited budget and limited resources?

Not a problem..

They’ll still figure out an effective way to kill people and break shit..

lol

 

[sestoppelman]

May as well have George Soros in the White House!

MSN

 

[Red Leg]

The Russians have been using the T62s primarily in a mobile artillery role, often using their own drones to spot rounds (UAV operator can sit inside the tank sometimes) or with an FO. Hence why they don't feel the need to have 100% visibility or freedom of movement with the turret. As far as why the back is open.... maybe they weren't done with it yet?

I also wouldn't count out the possibility that this thing was purpose built/modified for a specific task.... maybe they have a specific trench it will be backed up to so the back can stay open ??? I say this bc I've personally seen all sorts of modded up stuff downrange, we had 240s, SATCOM radios, and IR lights on our Polaris rangers and 4wheelers.... why were we in those and not RG33s or MATVs?? Because the only bridge in town didn't support the weight!

One of the greatest "homemade" things I think I ever heard of/ came across was this M134 minigun setup one of our teams came up with. They strapped the gun down to an Air Force pallet and then built a sandbag ring around the edges of the pallet. When the FOB took fire they would identify the point of origin, and then have someone get on the minigun... and then another guy would get in the 10k forklift and lift the gunner up over the Hesco barriers to return fire, worked out bc you could quickly get it to any side of the camp with it. I can imagine how ridiculous that setup would've looked in an out of context picture though, haha. "Pathetic Americans resorting to construction equipment!!!"



I don't know if this is an accurate analogy, I doubt they put this together and thought "This is the perfect machine to take out Leopord's and Abrams'". There hasn't been a Kursk fight at all, probably won't be either. I think guys are just getting creative and adapting to their specific AO. Ever hear how the Rhino counter IED device was first developed? A toaster on a pole is what I heard.

Another oddity was guys using their Counter IED Dok-ing as mobile cover. Well, in all fairness it didn't start that way but it ended up that way.

No, I think I'll stick with my assessment. This reeks of desperation.

 

[Corey0372]

No, I think I'll stick with my assessment. This reeks of desperation.

I'm sure there's plenty of desperation going around over there. But improvised armor isn't exactly a new concept, and while it's most likely never going to be as effective as proper armor, you can tear it all off if you need to change something. It's like when people were doing the whole "cope cages" thing, which is essentially improvised slat armor, which the US has also improvised in the past. Will they stop a javelin or NLAW? No. Can they be effective against small UAVs and maybe RPGs? Yes. The Israelis have started adopting them too. Remember all the desperate US troops putting sand bags in the floors of HMMWVs and rigging steel plates to them in early OIF? Those improvisations were also done while fighting a couple thousand irregulars, not a well equipped military across a front of hundreds of miles.

There's no absolute anti-drone tactic or technology right now. Similar to the IED threat the best you can do is have a layered and flexible defensive posture. With the IED threat (in Afghanistan) that also meant rarely going out at night, almost always moving in only a Ranger File, using multiple sweepers, and putting the Partner Force up front when you can. EOD became much more important, and it seemed like the bulk of all the targeting going on was someone involved with IEDs. With the UAV threat if that means you monster garage your 115mm gun on tracks then so be it, probably not getting in a tank V tank battle with that one anytime soon anyway. I'm not in that platoon, so I don't know what their goal is with that particular tank. Another thing the US could do is figure out how to crank these things out the way DJI can, but that's a whole separate topic.


Some other troops reeking of desperation below. Ukrainian cage on the bottom right managed to stop a lancet. You can see there's an opening where the gun is that an FPV could've been flown into, but that's not the way the guys needed it to be set up apparently, and the equipment was still saved.

Would you have had them take all the fencing and caging down so the gun could have full range of motion?

 

[Red Leg]

I'm sure there's plenty of desperation going around over there. But improvised armor isn't exactly a new concept, and while it's most likely never going to be as effective as proper armor, you can tear it all off if you need to change something. It's like when people were doing the whole "cope cages" thing, which is essentially improvised slat armor, which the US has also improvised in the past. Will they stop a javelin or NLAW? No. Can they be effective against small UAVs and maybe RPGs? Yes. The Israelis have started adopting them too. Remember all the desperate US troops putting sand bags in the floors of HMMWVs and rigging steel plates to them in early OIF? Those improvisations were also done while fighting a couple thousand irregulars, not a well equipped military across a front of hundreds of miles.

There's no absolute anti-drone tactic or technology right now. Similar to the IED threat the best you can do is have a layered and flexible defensive posture. With the IED threat (in Afghanistan) that also meant rarely going out at night, almost always moving in only a Ranger File, using multiple sweepers, and putting the Partner Force up front when you can. EOD became much more important, and it seemed like the bulk of all the targeting going on was someone involved with IEDs. With the UAV threat if that means you monster garage your 115mm gun on tracks then so be it, probably not getting in a tank V tank battle with that one anytime soon anyway. I'm not in that platoon, so I don't know what their goal is with that particular tank. Another thing the US could do is figure out how to crank these things out the way DJI can, but that's a whole separate topic.


Some other troops reeking of desperation below. Ukrainian cage on the bottom right managed to stop a lancet. You can see there's an opening where the gun is that an FPV could've been flown into, but that's not the way the guys needed it to be set up apparently, and the equipment was still saved.

Would you have had them take all the fencing and caging down so the gun could have full range of motion?


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I am well aware of the history of improvised armor. My point is, this is ridiculous. They have turned a tank into a rolling breadbox with virtually no turret rotation capability, which in a tank means they also can’t see or react. As evidenced in the second clip, the cope cages aren’t that effective either.

However, you will get no argument from me it is imperative we need to get this FPV threat solved soonest.

 

[Corey0372]

They have turned a tank into a rolling breadbox with virtually no turret rotation capability, which in a tank means they also can’t see or react.

This particular tank may not be getting used as a "tank" is what I'm getting at. Its likely that its just being used in a mobile artillery function, which is what a lot of the T62s have been used as, or for a very specific objective (getting to one piece of key terrain) and then removing the armor again.

If its being used as an artillery platform it'll likely be stationary for longer periods and not need the gun to engage other armor, so its really not that important to have the same visibility, as long as you can communicate with your UAV operator or your FO.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Trump immunity bid opposed by 19 top former defense officials in brief filed with Supreme Court

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us...rs-supreme-court-trump-immunity-13513330.html

 

[PARA45]

 

[John Wasmuth]

Trump immunity bid opposed by 19 top former defense officials in brief filed with Supreme Court

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us...rs-supreme-court-trump-immunity-13513330.html

Good thing the USSC works on fact rather than emotions……

 

[Brent in Az]

May as well have George Soros in the White House!

MSN

The Whitehouse has Soros on speed dial

 

[Brent in Az]

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I didn't realize they race donkey's at the derby?

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

The 4 Biggest Losers From Donald Trump's $4 Billion Stock Crash​

https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-biggest-losers-from-donald-trump-stocks-3-5-billion-crash/?src=A00220

 

[Red Leg]

Trump immunity bid opposed by 19 top former defense officials in brief filed with Supreme Court

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us...rs-supreme-court-trump-immunity-13513330.html

This seems to be much the same group that penned the July 22 oped for the New York Times describing Trump's actions on Jan 6 as dereliction of duty. I actually know Chiarelli, Jumper, and Casey somewhat and they, unlike Hayden for instance, are generally apolitical. I know Krulak was incensed by Trump's reported comments about losers and suckers.

 

[Red Leg]

This particular tank may not be getting used as a "tank" is what I'm getting at. Its likely that its just being used in a mobile artillery function, which is what a lot of the T62s have been used as, or for a very specific objective (getting to one piece of key terrain) and then removing the armor again.

If its being used as an artillery platform it'll likely be stationary for longer periods and not need the gun to engage other armor, so its really not that important to have the same visibility, as long as you can communicate with your UAV operator or your FO.

If true, should the Russians now be forced to employ tanks as artillery, it is likely worth a second bit of analysis. Tanks make a poor substitute for actual artillery. The UA has been forced to do that with their Challengers, but their artillery shortages are well documented.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

"I know Krulak was incensed by Trump's reported comments about losers and suckers."

Trump alienating people with asinine/thoughtless verbiage???? Noooo.... Say it ain't so! That just can't be possible. Such vicious rumors!

I wish more folks would step forward and ask for accountability. Good for them.