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I have to disagree, the muslim illegal immigrants are not really interested in working, they are coming to enjoy our extremely generous welfare state. They don´t speak the language and are barely educated.

On the other hand we do have an influx of migrants from Central and South America which want to work, and integrate in our society. Even enlisting in the military.

If you allow me a personal anecdote, the son of one of my cousins in Honduras emigrated, enlisted in our Air Force and is now an E-8.

We also have immigrants from eastern Europe who are hard workers and adapt perfectly.

Yup
 
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I am astounded by the level of ignorance of all of these protesting college twits around the country and the world who seem to think that Hamas is the victim here.
Its really quite stunning.
 
I am astounded by the level of ignorance of all of these protesting college twits around the country and the world who seem to think that Hamas is the victim here.
Its really quite stunning.
I am as well, somewhere in this thread someone pointed out that these poorly informed mush heads should go live in one of these areas for a while and see exactly what they are protesting.
 

That may in fact be the dumbest move the Iranians could have made (convincing Yemens Houthis to "declare war" on Israel)...

Saudi Arabia and the Houthis have been sport killing each other for the better part of the last 8 years (when KSA intervened in the Yemen civil war)..

The Saudis (Sunni) already loathe Shites (Iranians, Palestinians, Houthi, etc).. but have been fence sitting on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict (the king wants to support the muslims in the conflict.. while the crown prince who has largely run the country for the last several years has been trying to build a relationship with the Israelis much like the Egyptians and Jordanians have to one degree or another)..

Having the Houthis get involved is going to test the Saudis hand..

While the Saudis arent exactly a world class fighting force.. they have significantly better capability than the Iranians, the Palestinians, and the Houthis..

If Im MBS (crown prince), Im going to use this as an opportunity to send every F15 and Tornado I own straight to Yemen to bomb the shit out of the Houthis..

Im not going to claim Im doing it to defend Israel or that Im picking a side..

Im simply going to do it because Ive been at war with those assclowns for the last 8 years (they literally had an engagement with the Houthis yesterday) and now they are preoccupied and distracted with a new enemy...

It also opens the door wide for the US Navy to hammer everything heading north out of Yemen from this point forward.. we no longer have to discern if that drone or missile is intended for the Saudis or is intended for Israel.. we now just take it out regardless.. they declared war on Israel.. the missile/drone is north bound.. therefore it gets dropped..

Assuming the Israelis ultimately smash Hamas.. and the Saudis crush the Houthis.. Irans influence in the region is going to be set back a couple of generations..

Maybe their move is brilliant and theyre seeing something Im not seeing.. maybe they just want to see the entire region in flames... who knows...

But having two of the best equipped regional fighting forces pissed off to the point they now want to eradicate two of your primary tools in the middle east at the same time... doesnt seem too smart to me..
 
I am astounded by the level of ignorance of all of these protesting college twits around the country and the world who seem to think that Hamas is the victim here.
Its really quite stunning.
They've been brainwashed to oppose anything that those on the right are for.

The Borg collective hive mind
 
I would also guess one or two folks have figured that out and the wait in Aman could be a few days - though there are far worse places to hang out.

But probably the most secure place in the world to ensure you would not be harmed by a Palestinian. Jordanians take their internal security very seriously, which explains why Palestinians live inside the boarders of Israel rather than inside the boarders of Jordan.

Palestinians are the non-heshemite arabs that weren't welcomed in Trans-Jordan and were the ones within Jordan that caused a lot of bloodshed. The Jordanians aren't big fans.
 
Timeline:

2004, a Jewish comedian makes a farce of anti-semitism by creating this:


2023, the majority of ivy league universities are marching to actually call for the extermination of the jews.

Twenty years of marxists running humanities departments and this is what you get.
 
which explains why Palestinians live inside the boarders of Israel rather than inside the boarders of Jordan.

there are more than 3,000,000 Palestinians living in Jordan..

they make up just under 30% of the total Jordanian population..
 
there are more than 3,000,000 Palestinians living in Jordan..

they make up just under 30% of the total Jordanian population..

The Jordanians don't want another Palestinian in their territory and those that are present are watched like hawks.

History:

After the 1967 Six-Day War, Palestinian fedayeen guerrillas relocated to Jordan and stepped up their attacks on Israel and the occupied territories. They were headquartered at the Jordanian border town of Karameh, which Israel targeted during a battle in 1968, leading to a surge of Arab support for the fedayeen. The PLO's strength grew, and by early 1970, groups within the PLO began calling for the overthrow of Jordan's Hashemite monarchy, leading to violent clashes in June 1970. Hussein hesitated to oust them from the country, but continued PLO activities in Jordan culminated in the Dawson's Field hijackings of 6 September 1970, when the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized three civilian passenger flights and forced their landing in the Jordanian city of Zarqa, where they took foreign nationals as hostages and blew up the planes in front of international press. Hussein saw this as the last straw and ordered the Jordanian Army to take action.[10]

On 17 September 1970, the Jordanian Army surrounded all cities with a significant PLO presence, including Amman and Irbid, and began shelling fedayeen posts, who were operating from Palestinian refugee camps. The next day, 10,000 Syrian troops bearing Palestine Liberation Army (PLA) markings began an invasion by advancing towards Irbid, which the fedayeen had occupied and declared to be a "liberated" city. On 22 September, the Syrians withdrew from Irbid after suffering heavy losses to a coordinated aerial–ground offensive by the Jordanians. Mounting pressure from other Arab countries, such as Iraq, led Hussein to halt his offensive. On 13 October, he signed an agreement with Arafat to regulate the fedayeen's presence in Jordan. However, the Jordanian military attacked again in January 1971, and the Palestinians were driven out of the cities, one by one, until 2,000 fedayeen surrendered after they were encircled during the Ajlun offensive on 17 July, formally marking the end of the conflict.[11]

Jordan allowed the fedayeen to relocate to Lebanon via Syria. Four years later, the fedayeen became involved in the Lebanese Civil War, which would continue until 1990. The Palestinian Black September Organization was founded after the conflict to carry out attacks against Jordanian authorities in response to the fedayeen's expulsion; their most notable attack was the assassination of Jordanian prime minister Wasfi Tal in 1971, as he had commanded parts of the military operations against the fedayeen. The organization then shifted its focus to attacking Israeli targets and later carried out the Munich massacre of 11 Israeli athletes. Though the events of Black September did not reflect a Jordanian–Palestinian divide, as there were Jordanians and Palestinians on both sides of the conflict, it paved the way for such a divide to emerge subsequently.[12]
 

That may in fact be the dumbest move the Iranians could have made (convincing Yemens Houthis to "declare war" on Israel)...

Saudi Arabia and the Houthis have been sport killing each other for the better part of the last 8 years (when KSA intervened in the Yemen civil war)..

The Saudis (Sunni) already loathe Shites (Iranians, Palestinians, Houthi, etc).. but have been fence sitting on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict (the king wants to support the muslims in the conflict.. while the crown prince who has largely run the country for the last several years has been trying to build a relationship with the Israelis much like the Egyptians and Jordanians have to one degree or another)..
Majority of Palestinians are sunni muslims and not shiites.
As far as Saudis getting involved in this, I don't think it will happen.
Crown Prince is like snake who's lurking in the shade and he is in a wait and see attitude.
Like you said they were sport killing Yemenis for a while but was told to stop by US and they didn't like it.
As far as their armed forces go they are not as capable as everybody thinks.
They spend a lot of money but their posture and capabilities are mostly defensive and they don't have much of an offensive reach to be powerful actor in the region.
 
The Jordanians don't want another Palestinian in their territory and those that are present are watched like hawks.

History:

After the 1967 Six-Day War, Palestinian fedayeen guerrillas relocated to Jordan and stepped up their attacks on Israel and the occupied territories. They were headquartered at the Jordanian border town of Karameh, which Israel targeted during a battle in 1968, leading to a surge of Arab support for the fedayeen. The PLO's strength grew, and by early 1970, groups within the PLO began calling for the overthrow of Jordan's Hashemite monarchy, leading to violent clashes in June 1970. Hussein hesitated to oust them from the country, but continued PLO activities in Jordan culminated in the Dawson's Field hijackings of 6 September 1970, when the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized three civilian passenger flights and forced their landing in the Jordanian city of Zarqa, where they took foreign nationals as hostages and blew up the planes in front of international press. Hussein saw this as the last straw and ordered the Jordanian Army to take action.[10]

On 17 September 1970, the Jordanian Army surrounded all cities with a significant PLO presence, including Amman and Irbid, and began shelling fedayeen posts, who were operating from Palestinian refugee camps. The next day, 10,000 Syrian troops bearing Palestine Liberation Army (PLA) markings began an invasion by advancing towards Irbid, which the fedayeen had occupied and declared to be a "liberated" city. On 22 September, the Syrians withdrew from Irbid after suffering heavy losses to a coordinated aerial–ground offensive by the Jordanians. Mounting pressure from other Arab countries, such as Iraq, led Hussein to halt his offensive. On 13 October, he signed an agreement with Arafat to regulate the fedayeen's presence in Jordan. However, the Jordanian military attacked again in January 1971, and the Palestinians were driven out of the cities, one by one, until 2,000 fedayeen surrendered after they were encircled during the Ajlun offensive on 17 July, formally marking the end of the conflict.[11]

Jordan allowed the fedayeen to relocate to Lebanon via Syria. Four years later, the fedayeen became involved in the Lebanese Civil War, which would continue until 1990. The Palestinian Black September Organization was founded after the conflict to carry out attacks against Jordanian authorities in response to the fedayeen's expulsion; their most notable attack was the assassination of Jordanian prime minister Wasfi Tal in 1971, as he had commanded parts of the military operations against the fedayeen. The organization then shifted its focus to attacking Israeli targets and later carried out the Munich massacre of 11 Israeli athletes. Though the events of Black September did not reflect a Jordanian–Palestinian divide, as there were Jordanians and Palestinians on both sides of the conflict, it paved the way for such a divide to emerge subsequently.[12]

Im well aware of the history.. I have been spending time in Jordan regularly since 2003.. and have been managing/overseeing work in Jordan off and on for the past 15 years that specifically relates to the Palestinian problem... 2 of the executives that work as my direct reports each lived in Jordan for 5 and 12 years respectively.. both managed large scale training programs for Palestinian Police at the Jordanian International Police Training Center.. one of them is married to a Palestinian Jordanian.. that Palestinian Jordanian worked in our corporate HQ for a little more than 2 years (just left for other work less than 6 months ago).. I was in Jordan so often for a period between 2003-2007 that I literally had a dentist I would see in Amman whenever I had a problem I needed dealt with.. A friend of mines son was a VIP guest at Hussein bin Abdullah (Jordans Crown Prince) wedding this past summer (again, Ive got a pretty good handle on the history of Jordan and its Palestinian residents.. the overwhelming majority of whom are citizens of Jordan)..

While the history you cite is correct.. what is missing is that the Jordanians have spent a LOT of time and a LOT of money supporting the Palestinian Authority (in conjunction/alignment with both the Israelis and the US) for the past 20+ years.. It was only after President Trump defunded several Palestinian Authority projects in 2017 that those programs stopped.. (Jordan however has continued to work on a few things minus US and Israeli support and continues to work closely with the PA)..

While I am certain that the King would like to not see his Palestinian population grow.. it is indeed growing.. and he knows there is little he can do about it.. and he is in a position where he has to give them quite a bit of wiggle room and concede to their demands occasionally to keep his country from coming apart at the seams..

While the Palestinians make up a little less than 30% of his population.. a significant chunk of the Jordanian economy is owned/controlled by Shia Iraqis.. who, are supported and funded by the Iranians.. who.. in turn support Hamas...

There are about 1.5M Syrians in Jordan..

There are about 50K Druze

30K Yemeni

20K Libyans...

They are a middle east melting pot.. where Hashemite Arabs are only about 50% of the total population..

I can assure you that the King isnt watching every single one of those 3M (and growing) Palestinians like hawks.. Jordanian intelligence services are very good (by Arab world standards).. but they are a small and limited resource.. They are watching the KNOWN Palestinian problem children and continually searching for unknown problem children.. but they are also watching the Shia Iraqis.. the Yemeni.. and others as well..

and there are a SIGNIFICANT number of HIGHLY TRUSTED Palestinians in Jordan (see comment above where Jordan has been participating in programs to assist the Palestinian Authority for decades.. this assistance includes training law enforcement teams.. teaching them how to shoot, move, and communicate, etc..).. 6 of the senior ministers of government in Jordan are Palestinian.. 11 Jordanian parliamentarians are Palestinians.. There are a significant number of Palestinians serving in the Jordanian military.. a significant number of Palestinians serving in Jordanian law enforcement.. the list goes on and on and on....
 
I believe that early in the current mess, the Houthis launched cruise missiles at Israel. At least one batch were shot down by the Saudis. Probably more to avoid being dragged into the mess than for any other reason.
 
Majority of Palestinians are sunni muslims and not shiites.
As far as Saudis getting involved in this, I don't think it will happen.
Crown Prince is like snake who's lurking in the shade and he is in a wait and see attitude.
Like you said they were sport killing Yemenis for a while but was told to stop by US and they didn't like it.
As far as their armed forces go they are not as capable as everybody thinks.
They spend a lot of money but their posture and capabilities are mostly defensive and they don't have much of an offensive reach to be powerful actor in the region.


They are indeed Sunni...

But the militant groups are almost exclusively funded by and directed by Shia dollars..

Regarding their military... I'll give you a similar response to the one I gave Rookhawk...

I currently have about 70 guys on the ground in Saudi Arabia that are directly involved with the Royal Saudi Air Force (on behalf of the US Air Force..).. and have been working closely with their military and have relationships with multiple Saudi flag officers for the better part of the last 10 years.. I am very well aware of their capabilities and their limitations..

Are they a world power? No.. not by any stretch of the imagination.. While they have the equipment, they dont have the manpower or the training level or experience to take on even a minor European power head to head (defensively or offensively)..

Compared to most of the other militaries in the region however.. they are indeed a dominant force..

How well trained a military is, is a relative term.. but as far as middle east militaries are concerned, the Saudis are among the best trained (FWIW there are literally HUNDREDS of Saudis in the US as this message is getting typed being trained in very advanced skills at a variety of US military schools.. the number of Saudi NCO's and Officers trained by US personnel in the US at US schools is in the thousands... and the same is true in the UK.. Saudi Officers are attending Sandhurst right now.. Saudi NCOs and Officers are training alongside UK soldiers, airmen, and sailors right now.. and there are thousands of already trained officers and NCOs sitting on post in Saudi Arabia right now..

Im not sure how much you know about an F15-SA (the variant of the F15 that was specifically built for the Saudis).. but.. it is indeed a formidable 4th Generation fighter with serious offensive capabilities.. The M1AS (Saudi specific variant of the M1 main battle tank that is still used by our military) is indeed a formidable main battle tank with serious offensive capabilities..

While their forces lack the range to go offensive as far north as somewhere like deep into Iran (Tehran) easily.. I can assure you they have zero capabilities issue going offensive in a bordering country like Yemen.. The F15 SA, M1AS and several other platforms they have in their Army/Air Force/Navy are more than enough to deal with any regional threat....
 
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I believe that early in the current mess, the Houthis launched cruise missiles at Israel. At least one batch were shot down by the Saudis. Probably more to avoid being dragged into the mess than for any other reason.

The Houthis arent a significant threat..

Which was sorta my point..

All they can do is lob missiles and drones at Israel..

To get to Israel they either have to cross directly over KSA (and Jordan.. who also isnt going to take too kindly to missiles flying over their airspace).. or they have to run the KSA coastline..

The Houthis are already at war with the Saudis.. so if it comes over KSA territory the Saudis were already going to shoot it down anyway..

they lack a land bridge where they could send soldiers to Israel.. and they lack the naval and air forces to send soldiers to Israel..

So either they have to get direct support from the Iranians (thereby the Iranians engage in the war).. or they just shoot missiles..

All they have really done is open the door for the Saudis to kick the shit out of them once they push all of their drone and missile resources toward Israel.. Their stockpiles become depleted.. and they have in effect accomplished somewhere between little and nothing in the process..

Im sure the Saudis couldnt be happier than hearing the Yemen announcement...

Either the Yemeni are bluffing.. in which case nothing really changes.. or they are serious... which provides substantial opportunity to the Saudis..
 
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Im well aware of the history.. I have been spending time in Jordan regularly since 2003.. and have been managing/overseeing work in Jordan off and on for the past 15 years that specifically relates to the Palestinian problem... 2 of the executives that work as my direct reports each lived in Jordan for 5 and 12 years respectively.. both managed large scale training programs for Palestinian Police at the Jordanian International Police Training Center.. one of them is married to a Palestinian Jordanian.. that Palestinian Jordanian worked in our corporate HQ for a little more than 2 years (just left for other work less than 6 months ago).. I was in Jordan so often for a period between 2003-2007 that I literally had a dentist I would see in Amman whenever I had a problem I needed dealt with.. A friend of mines son was a VIP guest at Hussein bin Abdullah (Jordans Crown Prince) wedding this past summer (again, Ive got a pretty good handle on the history of Jordan and its Palestinian residents.. the overwhelming majority of whom are citizens of Jordan)..

While the history you cite is correct.. what is missing is that the Jordanians have spent a LOT of time and a LOT of money supporting the Palestinian Authority (in conjunction/alignment with both the Israelis and the US) for the past 20+ years.. It was only after President Trump defunded several Palestinian Authority projects in 2017 that those programs stopped.. (Jordan however has continued to work on a few things minus US and Israeli support and continues to work closely with the PA)..

While I am certain that the King would like to not see his Palestinian population grow.. it is indeed growing.. and he knows there is little he can do about it.. and he is in a position where he has to give them quite a bit of wiggle room and concede to their demands occasionally to keep his country from coming apart at the seams..

While the Palestinians make up a little less than 30% of his population.. a significant chunk of the Jordanian economy is owned/controlled by Shia Iraqis.. who, are supported and funded by the Iranians.. who.. in turn support Hamas...

There are about 1.5M Syrians in Jordan..

There are about 50K Druze

30K Yemeni

20K Libyans...

They are a middle east melting pot.. where Hashemite Arabs are only about 50% of the total population..

I can assure you that the King isnt watching every single one of those 3M (and growing) Palestinians like hawks.. Jordanian intelligence services are very good (by Arab world standards).. but they are a small and limited resource.. They are watching the KNOWN Palestinian problem children and continually searching for unknown problem children.. but they are also watching the Shia Iraqis.. the Yemeni.. and others as well..

and there are a SIGNIFICANT number of HIGHLY TRUSTED Palestinians in Jordan (see comment above where Jordan has been participating in programs to assist the Palestinian Authority for decades.. this assistance includes training law enforcement teams.. teaching them how to shoot, move, and communicate, etc..).. 6 of the senior ministers of government in Jordan are Palestinian.. 11 Jordanian parliamentarians are Palestinians.. There are a significant number of Palestinians serving in the Jordanian military.. a significant number of Palestinians serving in Jordanian law enforcement.. the list goes on and on and on....
Very good and accurate info about Jordan.
I must add that Jordan has been a good ally for us throughout the years and they condemned the Hamas attack as soon as it happened.
However their stance has changed to neutral or even negative against Israel for various reasons in recent days.
They are indeed Sunni...

But the militant groups are almost exclusively funded by and directed by Shia dollars..

Regarding their military... I'll give you a similar response to the one I gave Rookhawk...

I currently have about 70 guys on the ground in Saudi Arabia that are directly involved with the Royal Saudi Air Force (on behalf of the US Air Force..).. and have been working closely with their military and have relationships with multiple Saudi flag officers for the better part of the last 10 years.. I am very well aware of their capabilities and their limitations..

Are they a world power? No.. not by any stretch of the imagination.. While they have the equipment, they dont have the manpower or the training level or experience to take on even a minor European power head to head (defensively or offensively)..

Compared to most of the other militaries in the region however.. they are indeed a dominant force..

How well trained a military is, is a relative term.. but as far as middle east militaries are concerned, the Saudis are among the best trained (FWIW there are literally HUNDREDS of Saudis in the US as this message is getting typed being trained in very advanced skills at a variety of US military schools.. the number of Saudi NCO's and Officers trained by US personnel in the US at US schools is in the thousands... and the same is true in the UK.. Saudi Officers are attending Sandhurst right now.. Saudi NCOs and Officers are training alongside UK soldiers, airmen, and sailors right now.. and there are thousands of already trained officers and NCOs sitting on post in Saudi Arabia right now..

Im not sure how much you know about an F15-SA (the variant of the F15 that was specifically built for the Saudis).. but.. it is indeed a formidable 4th Generation fighter with serious offensive capabilities.. The M1AS (Saudi specific variant of the M1 main battle tank that is still used by our military) is indeed a formidable main battle tank with serious offensive capabilities..

While their forces lack the range to go offensive as far north as somewhere like deep into Iran (Tehran) easily.. I can assure you they have zero capabilities issue going offensive in a bordering country like Yemen.. The F15 SA, M1AS and several other platforms they have in their Army/Air Force/Navy are more than enough to deal with any regional threat....
I have no objection to what you stated as I'm not directly involved in any way with their current military and I respect your views on them.
Having said that throughout the years I observed their capabilities and had interactions with their personnel for various reasons.
Yes, they have a capable air force trained by us and they have the 4th generation fighters but majority of ground forces lack discipline and are not committed to fight or train for the lack of better term.
Most of their officers and NCO's sent over weren't able to pass our Recon pre qualification course and these were the chosen ones.
However my info is a little dated things might be different now,
 
They are indeed Sunni...

But the militant groups are almost exclusively funded by and directed by Shia dollars..

Regarding their military... I'll give you a similar response to the one I gave Rookhawk...

I currently have about 70 guys on the ground in Saudi Arabia that are directly involved with the Royal Saudi Air Force (on behalf of the US Air Force..).. and have been working closely with their military and have relationships with multiple Saudi flag officers for the better part of the last 10 years.. I am very well aware of their capabilities and their limitations..

Are they a world power? No.. not by any stretch of the imagination.. While they have the equipment, they dont have the manpower or the training level or experience to take on even a minor European power head to head (defensively or offensively)..

Compared to most of the other militaries in the region however.. they are indeed a dominant force..

How well trained a military is, is a relative term.. but as far as middle east militaries are concerned, the Saudis are among the best trained (FWIW there are literally HUNDREDS of Saudis in the US as this message is getting typed being trained in very advanced skills at a variety of US military schools.. the number of Saudi NCO's and Officers trained by US personnel in the US at US schools is in the thousands... and the same is true in the UK.. Saudi Officers are attending Sandhurst right now.. Saudi NCOs and Officers are training alongside UK soldiers, airmen, and sailors right now.. and there are thousands of already trained officers and NCOs sitting on post in Saudi Arabia right now..

Im not sure how much you know about an F15-SA (the variant of the F15 that was specifically built for the Saudis).. but.. it is indeed a formidable 4th Generation fighter with serious offensive capabilities.. The M1AS (Saudi specific variant of the M1 main battle tank that is still used by our military) is indeed a formidable main battle tank with serious offensive capabilities..

While their forces lack the range to go offensive as far north as somewhere like deep into Iran (Tehran) easily.. I can assure you they have zero capabilities issue going offensive in a bordering country like Yemen.. The F15 SA, M1AS and several other platforms they have in their Army/Air Force/Navy are more than enough to deal with any regional threat....
Exactly what you said. I spent most of a military career, to include a stint as Army Attaché in the Embassy in Riyadh, engaged in the Middle East. In my corporate career, I was directly involved in several programs with the RSLF and National Guard (the primary internal security force in Saudi Arabia).

With the exception of Israel, the Royal Saudi Air Force is far and away the best equipped air power in the region. Indeed, from an equipment perspective, with the exception of the Israel's new F-35, they are the best equipped. Their command and control structure is not as robust as Israel, but it is far more effective than any other regional power. Their strike force is made up primarily of British Tornados and they operate over one hundred modernized F-15 SA models specifically configured for RSAF requirements. It should be noted that unlike Israel, the RSAF operates the E3A AWACS and K-3 tankers which gives them regionally unique command and control and deep strike capability (a capability Israel currently actually lacks). By regional standards, they are very professional.

As noted, the RSLF are equipped with current generation M1 tanks, Bradley IFVs, and Paladin 155mm howitzers. They have manning and collective training issues, but the quality of their kit is superb. The National Guard brigades are equipped with LAV armored vehicles and are supported by M198 howitzers. They are a well trained, fully manned and a quiet effective force.

Discounting Yemen for a moment, Saudi Arabia faces two primary threats - internal insurrection centered among the Shia of the Eastern Province or missile and drone attack from Iran. Their two most effective services - the air force and guard are focused on those threats. Should a regional conflict develop with Iran, we can be sure that the US Air Force would be quickly hosted in the Kingdom providing robust land-based strike potential against Iran.

A couple of other observations.

I find the notion amusing that the Crown Prince is a "snake in the grass" as was opined somewhere in this discussion. What he has instead demonstrated is absolute pragmatism.

I suspect more each day, that HAMAS surprised Iran almost as much as they did the Israelis. The clear lack of true coordination between Iran's dependable proxies in Yemen, Lebanon, and Syria with HAMAS argues that this was a largely independent HAMAS action. Iran will endeavor to take advantage of the opportunity, but their bluster is far different from the pin prick actions they have instigated to date.
 
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