Tim Sundles 4 shots of 600 NE into Buff

[PerH]

I had a .338-378 Imp that had a 34 mm at muzzle barrel , if I were to make a .378 which I have brass for , I would have put a 1 inch barrel at the muzzle on it , 26 inch , would take care of much things that . Both recoil and barrel vibrations by that .

 

[Ontario Hunter]

You might consider looking up when Weatherby came out with their dangerous game cartridges and compare to cartridges like the 458 win, 458 Lott, 416 Remington, etc. There was a market for quality bolt rifles in dangerous game calibers at the time.

Okay. Weatherby's 378 came out in 1953 and 460 in 1957. 458 Win in 1956 and 416 Rem 1989. Not sure I see a significant connection. Kynoch didn't fold up till 1970 and 458 Lott made its appearance the following year. Perhaps a connection there? Not sure who was loading Lott ammo. 458 Win was almost an instant flop due to poor powder in their factory loads initially. Their cartridges didn't agree with African climate. Some say 458 Win has never recovered from that bad start. According to my PH and lodge operator, for whatever reason the 416 Rem has never been popular in Africa. Perhaps this has more to do with rifle design than cartridge?

So Weatherby had the jump on its American made DGR competition ... but never was competitive. It seems the demise of Kynoch, the classic Africa cartridge maker, wasn't a factor. I suspect rifle design probably was the factor that most hurt Weatherby's chances of breaking into the classic African gun market. Clearly, if you want to break in with a new rifle design AND a new cartridge, you better have it ALL together.

 

[375Fox]

Even if Weatherby's cartridges were superior and his rifles had not been flawed, I just can't see how he could have pushed his way into the African scene effectively. It's not a market that is attracted to new gimmicks, regardless of effectiveness. That's rather obvious from what I'm reading on this forum.

Okay. Weatherby's 378 came out in 1953 and 460 in 1957. 458 Win in 1956 and 416 Rem 1989. Not sure I see a significant connection. Kynoch didn't fold up till 1970 and 458 Lott made its appearance the following year. Perhaps a connection there? Not sure who was loading Lott ammo. 458 Win was almost an instant flop due to poor powder in their factory loads initially. Their cartridges didn't agree with African climate. Some say 458 Win has never recovered from that bad start. According to my PH and lodge operator, for whatever reason the 416 Rem has never been popular in Africa. Perhaps this has more to do with rifle design than cartridge?

So Weatherby had the jump on its American made DGR competition ... but never was competitive. It seems the demise of Kynoch, the classic Africa cartridge maker, wasn't a factor. I suspect rifle design probably was the factor that most hurt Weatherby's chances of breaking into the classic African gun market. Clearly, if you want to break in with a new rifle design AND a new cartridge, you better have it ALL together.

Of course you don’t see a connection . . . Several cartridges were introduced at nearly the same time. Certain cartridges are still popular today and the Weatherby cartridges largely failed. The success and failure had nothing to do with nostalgia. Weatherby was very popular at one time. Weatherby cartridges developed a reputation for excessive kick, bullet failures, and wounded animals as a result that unfortunately continues today even though bullet technology has caught up. They are were also largely limited to Weatherby rifles. The 458 win and 416 Remington are still commonly used, both chambered in model 70. 458 win much more common though due to many more rifles chambered in it. I’ve hunted with PHs that have them but CZs in 416 Rigby outnumber model 70s in 416 Remington from my observations. I’d assume that had more to do with numbers of CZs imported and ease of import than a caliber or rifle preference.

 

[PerH]

But the .378 and .460 first rifles were not made in US , they and the cartridges were built in Denmark/ Sweden to begin with

 

[375Fox]

But the .378 and .460 first rifles were not made in US , they and the cartridges were built in Denmark/ Sweden to begin with

Made for the US market though. Weatherby was a California company.

 

[Carnivore hunter]

So, it's probably best to limit the 600NE for stopping a charge within 30 feet?

 

[grand veneur]

So, it's probably best to limit the 600NE for stopping a charge within 30 feet?
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You can also hunt with a double rifle caliber 600 Nitro Express as long as you are able to place the bullet in the right place with your rifle. Years ago Cal Pappas wanted to organize a hunt for a group of owners of a double rifle caliber 600 Nitro Express. A good idea, I was interested too, but it seems it never happened and by the way I never received a response, which was understandable because one were probably very suspicious of a Frenchman armed with a double rifle caliber 600 Nitro Express, moreover made in Belgium .

 

[spike.t]

Jeez I eventually forced myself to watch the video....seriously boring load of shite

 

[skydiver386]

Jeez I eventually forced myself to watch the video....seriously boring load of shite

Makes you wonder why anyone would post it for the World to see?

 

[spike.t]

Makes you wonder why anyone would post it for the World to see?

Ego....