Tim Sundles 4 shots of 600 NE into Buff

[Muskox]

Shot placement resulting in damage to internal heart lung tissue or disruption of the central nervous system. More bullet diameter only works if the hole is in the right place. Liver shots result in tons of blood loss can work, but as most people know this takes a lot longer for the animal to die.

There are several videos going around now with dude clients shooting animals with 22 Creedmoors and 6mm Creedmoor type rifles in Africa including Giraffe.

Result is the same, disrupt blood flow or brain activity and you have a dead animal.

I shot 5 animals last year, all died with 1 shot. Some ran 20-30 yards, some fell in their tracks.

 

[Safari Dave]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.


Shot placement & destroying vital organs with bullets (or bullet fragments) is the key to humanely taking big game animals.

You might need a "big hammer" like a .600 NE to knock an animal down when it is charging.

A well-placed .30 caliber bullet is much more lethal than a poorly placed .60 caliber bullet.


I would have never posted that video...

 

[375Fox]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.


Shot placement & destroying vital organs with bullets (or bullet fragments) is the key to humanely taking big game animals.

You might need a "big hammer" like a .600 NE to knock an animal down when it is charging.

A well-placed .30 caliber bullet is much more lethal than a poorly placed .60 caliber bullet.


I would have never posted that video...

I’m not sure how someone who hunts can say there is no effect of energy or hydrostatic shock or whatever term someone applies to it. You shoot a FMJ vs a soft point with the same caliber the damage is significantly greater with a soft point for the same amount of penetration. That bloodshot meat is energy transfer. Same thing with a low velocity cartridge vs a high velocity cartridge of the same caliber and same bullet that additional bloodshot meat is energy transfer and dramatically speeds up a kill. Energy isn’t going to replace correct shot placement but I find it ridiculous hunters try to say energy is irrelevant. Bullets are designed for energy transfer as much as penetration.

 

[Wyfox]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.

Shoot a prairie dog with a 22-250 or watch a high velocity bullet hit ballistic geletin in slo-mo and then think about your statement.

 

[RedTag]

That’s strange.
And I guess why personal experience can’t all ways be relyed on.
I am not saying you’re experience is wrong.
But for me the 45-70 on deer have dropped the quicker than anything else except a 450 bm. I have used hardcast.300gr hp 405gr sp
And they dropped fast most of the time never taking a step.

The type of bullet is a major factor. My personal example in this case being specifically the hard cast bullet from the .45-70. The hard cast bullet in the .45-70, specifically the 430-grain cast load from Buffalo Bore, has shown proportional to caliber wounding on moose shot broadside.

That’s strange.
And I guess why personal experience can’t all ways be relyed on.
I am not saying you’re experience is wrong.
But for me the 45-70 on deer have dropped the quicker than anything else except a 450 bm. I have used hardcast.300gr hp 405gr sp
And they dropped fast most of the time never taking a step.

I put more stock in things I’ve done or can put to the test than things I’ve read about. While I can certainly imagine that the hollow point or soft point bullets in the .45-70 would be more effective in broadside shots, the BB hard cast loads were the ones I tried and those just weren’t very impressive with several broadside shots on moose. While I can certainly imagine that this hard cast load would be a great bear stoppers, I’ve never had the experience of putting that to the test. Simply put I have had consistent success with the .270 (and 7mm mag., .30-06, etc.) using controlled expanding bullets at high impact velocity. I think that says something about how a bullet will perform per its construction, mass, velocity, and placement, relative to target resistance.
I’ve never used a .600 Nitro and probably never will but these videos demonstrating success versus failure (or “delayed” success, as it were) seem to support my conclusions in general principle.

 

[grand veneur]

Hydrostatic Shock in terminal ballistics is a very imprecise term and discussed worldwide very controversial. What kills in all cases is the wound a bullet inflicts. This one can be very complex, especially regarding the cavitation effect, which is responsible for the expansion of the wound and all the damage at distance. The temporary cavity can be observed in the gelatin block, but not in situ when cutting open the game. What you see is only the permanent cavity or wound channel. The velocity of the bullet plays a major role in the cavitation because of the different increase of pressure inside the body what leads many people to believe that a shock caused the death. At high speeds, an expansion or fragmentation bullet, compared to a solid, no longer plays the main role. But the topic is about the cartridge 600 Nitro Express, like all these old big bore cartridges, a concept from the Black Powder era where the lack of bullet speed and therefore cavitation was compensated by caliber and mass.

 

[franzfmdavis]

booger hook on the bang switch

I genuinely laughed out loud in the coffee shop reading this!

 

[HankBuck]

I agree, the group he shot was bigger than the buffalo…. Which takes some doing!!!
Unfortunately that’s what happens when somebody is showboating as Billy Big Balls with too much gun for his abilities and not enough judgement. I’m not impressed by either the hunter, the calibre or the ammunition based on that video.

@SRvet - Oh come on !! You might Not be “impressed” by the Hunter but HOW can You Not be IMPRESSED by the .600 NE ? It’s a frickin .600 NE and that’s an impressive caliber - even if you never remove the cartridge from it’s ammo box…makes me “flinch” just thinking about it !

 

[SRvet]

@SRvet - Oh come on !! You might Not be “impressed” by the Hunter but HOW can You Not be IMPRESSED by the .600 NE ? It’s a frickin .600 NE and that’s an impressive caliber - even if you never remove the cartridge from it’s ammo box…makes me “flinch” just thinking about it !

Hahaha,,, ok you’ve got me there … I am a bit impressed with the .600NE.
However it looked like the buffalo wasn’t faded by the hits at all which wasn’t impressive. Even my lowly .375 dropped a buff with a single shot

 

[JG26Irish_2]

I used to deer hunt with a 16" Winchester 94 Trapper model in 44mag. I used the 185g HP and 240g HP ammo and for years I enjoyed the bang-flop effect of that big, relatively slow bullet knocking those deer FLAT!

Then one year, I switched to the 240g soft point. Those bullets did not expand much if at all and penciled thru the animals like nothing. The result was wounded deer running long distances before dropping dead and long tracking jobs. I was not that bullet savvy and was stunned that my stopper was not doing the job. It took me a couple of seasons to figure out my mistake. The straw that broke the camels back was the year I shot the buck of a lifetime three times at 35y and it never flinched and then walked away as if nothing had happened. I never saw that buck again. Am pretty sure that a bad scope mount caused three misses but it forced me to transition to a 270 and never lost a deer again.

Big, slow bullets can generate shock to the animals as long as you choose the correct bullet for the job. Hitting the tgt is more effective than missing the tgt. Sounds obvious but is lost on many hunters. We evolve with experience. Failure teaches more than success can.

 

[dlmac]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.


Shot placement & destroying vital organs with bullets (or bullet fragments) is the key to humanely taking big game animals.

You might need a "big hammer" like a .600 NE to knock an animal down when it is charging.

A well-placed .30 caliber bullet is much more lethal than a poorly placed .60 caliber bullet.


I would have never posted that video...

I agree about the well placed shot. It looked like he might missed the target completely on a couple of the shots? Also a little Monday night quarterbacking......use some kind of rest/support? Just my 2 cents, if it is even worth that.

 

[Flbt]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.


Shot placement & destroying vital organs with bullets (or bullet fragments) is the key to humanely taking big game animals.

You might need a "big hammer" like a .600 NE to knock an animal down when it is charging.

A well-placed .30 caliber bullet is much more lethal than a poorly placed .60 caliber bullet.


I would have never posted that video...

Try out a 257 w
I have shot deer in the shoulder and had the stomach busted open when cleaning them.
It’s only happen a few times.
Normally when expecting a 300 yd shot and the deer desided to come out 50 yds are less.
The bullets path were stright through both shoulder.
Something busted the stomach.
I don’t think it happens reliably enough to count on it but I do think it happens

 

[Flbt]

The type of bullet is a major factor. My personal example in this case being specifically the hard cast bullet from the .45-70. The hard cast bullet in the .45-70, specifically the 430-grain cast load from Buffalo Bore, has shown proportional to caliber wounding on moose shot broadside.

I put more stock in things I’ve done or can put to the test than things I’ve read about. While I can certainly imagine that the hollow point or soft point bullets in the .45-70 would be more effective in broadside shots, the BB hard cast loads were the ones I tried and those just weren’t very impressive with several broadside shots on moose. While I can certainly imagine that this hard cast load would be a great bear stoppers, I’ve never had the experience of putting that to the test. Simply put I have had consistent success with the .270 (and 7mm mag., .30-06, etc.) using controlled expanding bullets at high impact velocity. I think that says something about how a bullet will perform per its construction, mass, velocity, and placement, relative to target resistance.
I’ve never used a .600 Nitro and probably never will but these videos demonstrating success versus failure (or “delayed” success, as it were) seem to support my conclusions in general principle.

It very well could be you are shooting mose and I am shooting fl deer and hogs
Huge size difference

 

[EPIC SAFARIS]

I haven't seen anyone discussing the distance the shooter in the video was shooting and it was hard to judge from the video what it was. I have put some 570 grain lead into animals from a 500 NE at 100 yards and it doesn't have the force that those same bullets have at 50 yards or less. Does anyone know how far the shots were in the video?

 

[sgt_zim]

I haven't seen anyone discussing the distance the shooter in the video was shooting and it was hard to judge from the video what it was. I have put some 570 grain lead into animals from a 500 NE at 100 yards and it doesn't have the force that those same bullets have at 50 yards or less. Does anyone know how far the shots were in the video?

I was wondering the same thing. It appeared well beyond 50 yards.

 

[Nyati]

That video has reaffirmed my intention, that if I ever shoot a buff again, it will be with my scoped, bolt action rifle, .375HH, either TBBC, or Swift AFrame.

May not look so African/macho, but more effective.

 

[cajunchefray]

I haven't seen anyone discussing the distance the shooter in the video was shooting and it was hard to judge from the video what it was. I have put some 570 grain lead into animals from a 500 NE at 100 yards and it doesn't have the force that those same bullets have at 50 yards or less. Does anyone know how far the shots were in the video?

I watched the video three times, trying to understand the approximate range.
From my armchair buffalo hunter view, I can't understand why the "hunter" didn't get closer.
From the camera angle (and those can be very tricky), it appears possible to get a little closer, behind some small trees. 70 yards to 40 yards? I can't know, I wasn't there.
But, after shooting the first two shots, then taking his time, and talking to the camera, the delay is not understandable.
The buff was not running or charging.
Don't let the animal suffer, move in closer, finish off the hunt. He keeps shooting from the same distance. Why?

I can't understand this, he's standing in open area, apparently undetected. Move closer behind the small trees, for a much needed more accurate shot. I KNOW I cannot be accurate with a 600 NE load. I've shot my .500 Jeffery CZ 550 with 570 grain Woodleigh softs at 2150 fps and 4 shots are enough for me. I couldn't hit a damn thing after that. I sold it to another AH member. .458 Win Mag is my accuracy tested limit.

Promotional videos are essential in marketing, and I understand Buffalo Bore's owner featuring his private reserve. I like Buffalo Bore ammo (I have used the .44 magnum, 305 grain flat nose hard cast lead) in my Winchester (Miroku) 1892 rifle. Good ammo.

But this video was uninspiring on many levels.

 

[SETH RINGER]

DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE SHOT, I CLICKED OFF AT THE FENCE.

 

[Daniel Cary]

Who knows? I mean the tail is still wagging & it's pissing, not running.

Maybe it's just a fluke, Bull didn't know what's going on. Deaf,

 

[Carnivore hunter]

I haven't seen anyone discussing the distance the shooter in the video was shooting and it was hard to judge from the video what it was. I have put some 570 grain lead into animals from a 500 NE at 100 yards and it doesn't have the force that those same bullets have at 50 yards or less. Does anyone know how far the shots were in the video?

I can't prove this but, it seems the big heavy slow bullets (470NE, 500NE, 600NE) really drop off after a certain distance and lose their stopping power maybe 40 yards tops where as a 378 WBY and 416 RUM could possibly easily kill a buffalo past 100+ yards?

Isn't the whole purpose of the double barrel 470 NE, 500NE and 600NE to be a up close stop a charge rifle within 30 feet?

I think it would be wiser to use a high powered high velocity flat shooting caliber out of a bolt-action rifle for the first shot or two at around 50 yards and if you have to track a wounded buffalo use a double barrel up close.

Has anyone ever used the 375 Cheytac, 408 Cheytac or 50 BMG on a cape buffalo? I would bet those are deadly on buffalo past 200+ yards.