Tim Sundles 4 shots of 600 NE into Buff

[Muskox]

Shot placement resulting in damage to internal heart lung tissue or disruption of the central nervous system. More bullet diameter only works if the hole is in the right place. Liver shots result in tons of blood loss can work, but as most people know this takes a lot longer for the animal to die.

There are several videos going around now with dude clients shooting animals with 22 Creedmoors and 6mm Creedmoor type rifles in Africa including Giraffe.

Result is the same, disrupt blood flow or brain activity and you have a dead animal.

I shot 5 animals last year, all died with 1 shot. Some ran 20-30 yards, some fell in their tracks.

 

[Safari Dave]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.


Shot placement & destroying vital organs with bullets (or bullet fragments) is the key to humanely taking big game animals.

You might need a "big hammer" like a .600 NE to knock an animal down when it is charging.

A well-placed .30 caliber bullet is much more lethal than a poorly placed .60 caliber bullet.


I would have never posted that video...

 

[375Fox]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.


Shot placement & destroying vital organs with bullets (or bullet fragments) is the key to humanely taking big game animals.

You might need a "big hammer" like a .600 NE to knock an animal down when it is charging.

A well-placed .30 caliber bullet is much more lethal than a poorly placed .60 caliber bullet.


I would have never posted that video...

I’m not sure how someone who hunts can say there is no effect of energy or hydrostatic shock or whatever term someone applies to it. You shoot a FMJ vs a soft point with the same caliber the damage is significantly greater with a soft point for the same amount of penetration. That bloodshot meat is energy transfer. Same thing with a low velocity cartridge vs a high velocity cartridge of the same caliber and same bullet that additional bloodshot meat is energy transfer and dramatically speeds up a kill. Energy isn’t going to replace correct shot placement but I find it ridiculous hunters try to say energy is irrelevant. Bullets are designed for energy transfer as much as penetration.

 

[Wyfox]

I'm not a believer in "hydrostatic shock."

Actually, I don't even have to be a "believer," because I have cut open enough animals to know that "shock" destroying vital organs isn't even a real thing.

Shoot a prairie dog with a 22-250 or watch a high velocity bullet hit ballistic geletin in slo-mo and then think about your statement.

 

[RedTag]

That’s strange.
And I guess why personal experience can’t all ways be relyed on.
I am not saying you’re experience is wrong.
But for me the 45-70 on deer have dropped the quicker than anything else except a 450 bm. I have used hardcast.300gr hp 405gr sp
And they dropped fast most of the time never taking a step.

The type of bullet is a major factor. My personal example in this case being specifically the hard cast bullet from the .45-70. The hard cast bullet in the .45-70, specifically the 430-grain cast load from Buffalo Bore, has shown proportional to caliber wounding on moose shot broadside.

That’s strange.
And I guess why personal experience can’t all ways be relyed on.
I am not saying you’re experience is wrong.
But for me the 45-70 on deer have dropped the quicker than anything else except a 450 bm. I have used hardcast.300gr hp 405gr sp
And they dropped fast most of the time never taking a step.

I put more stock in things I’ve done or can put to the test than things I’ve read about. While I can certainly imagine that the hollow point or soft point bullets in the .45-70 would be more effective in broadside shots, the BB hard cast loads were the ones I tried and those just weren’t very impressive with several broadside shots on moose. While I can certainly imagine that this hard cast load would be a great bear stoppers, I’ve never had the experience of putting that to the test. Simply put I have had consistent success with the .270 (and 7mm mag., .30-06, etc.) using controlled expanding bullets at high impact velocity. I think that says something about how a bullet will perform per its construction, mass, velocity, and placement, relative to target resistance.
I’ve never used a .600 Nitro and probably never will but these videos demonstrating success versus failure (or “delayed” success, as it were) seem to support my conclusions in general principle.