Discussion in 'Up To .375' started by Bigkudu, Jul 10, 2011.
Having personal experiance I choose 270gr tsx for 375 H&H and 180gr Accubonds for 300 WM.
How can a bullet be "too good"? Isn't that like "having too much money" or "a girl being too pretty?"
Coincidentally, my .300 Weatherby shoots 180 gr and 168 gr TSX bullets equally well. For some reason, and I can't remember what, I have only hunted with the 168s. Blackbuck to elk, four animals, four shots, and four times I tracked the bullet in one side of the animal then out his other side which resulted in four quick kills. Why should I hunt with any other bullet?
I agree, and TTSX are my favorites.
I have had very good accuracy with the 150 gr TTSX in my 300 WSM. Also it kills well Good penetration, usually goes completely through. After my experiences from my first safari I suggest NOT using Berger bullets.
Gillettehunter, you better keep the long range specialist on TV from reading your comments on Berger Bullets (lol). Honestly, I think the Berger bullets are just a fancy sales pitch, they are not any better than most bullets on the market. Like they say on TV, they are very long bullets compared to others. To me, there are better bullets on the market....TTSX probably being the best.
I would use the 168 grain Barnes TTSX bullet in a 30-06, 300 WM or a 300 WSM.
I'm a big fan of the swift Scrocco bullet, I've taken 10 or so African animals and this bullet did a great job of one shot kills.
Try a good premium bullet at a sensible velocity most already mentioned here. Then test your loads till its the most accurate it can be. then prtice till you know exactly what your rifle will do under a veriaty of situations. Follow this up with much hunting! There are no better bullets than are being produced right now.
I should have said, The North Fork SS is a very good bullet for Trophy Hunting. So too is the Swift A-Frame. I am fully satisfied with both.
I dunno what is best, but in a 7-08 we've used 140 accubonds for deer for a few years and love them, the deer don't.
My son and I leave in 2 weeks for SA, we'll be carrying the 7-08 with the 140 accubonds and a new 300 wsm in 180 gr accubonds.
Swift A frame comes on first place
Woodleigh and Accubonds are competing for second place
nosler 180gr. accubonds are by far the best for the 300wm
Barnes 180gr TSX recovered from gemsbok and kudu a couple of months ago, along with an unfired bullet for comparison.
We didn't recover any Triple Shocks from my boys .284 Win load in June. Only one was not a pass thru and it was not found. 140gr TSX at just over 3000fps.
Those look just like the 270 grain and 300 grain TSX bullets that I've been able to recover from animals that I shot with my .375 RUM, and the 168 grain TTSX bullets that I recovered from animals shot with my .300 Weatherby.
All of the animals from the size of Bushbuck and larger where the TSX/TTSX bullets completely passed through had caliber size entrance holes and 3/4-1" exit holes. The smaller animals that I have shot with these bullets (like Steenboks, Springbok, and Klipspringer) had bullet exit holes as big or larger than my fist, but I think that was due to the bullet velocity more than the bullet construction.
What was the deal? I have used Berger VLDs extensively in 7mm RM and my hunting partner also in his 300WM, all with exceptional results. I will admit I found 'em originally for long range target work, but man I've made lot's of meat with 'em.
we used vlds in Africa this year , and they were definatly killing everything they were thrown at , but the recovery was poor , way less than half , the p/h agreed they were working , but they were too soft .
they shot placement was good tho .
personally myself, I wouldn't use them again , in Africa . even tho they worked out o.k
in the east cape maybe , but if there was a bit of scrub around , no way.
l bought a few ,recently , more because there wasn't much else to select from .
and have heard great tales of the longe range capabilities , so when l go for a big walk in a few week they will be coming along,this time to see.
I practiced out to 400 metres before Africa ,plenty good ,at that distance .
ive wondered if l slow em down a bit to stop them exploding , will help?
bluey- I gotta wonder just a bit about that "they were soft" statement................
The animals where dead? They didn't run off? Soooooooo......the bullets failed?
IMO this is silly logic. African animals are tougher than our animals, sure, but most of that only applies AFTER poor shot placement. The have larger adrenal glands, comes from having so many large predators to deal with. If they don't get off to a running start after being shot that toughness just doesn't apply
Bergers are designed to "fail" that VLD nose shears off and creates secondary projectiles after penetrating a bit then the base continues.......yes usually when you do find remains it is a turned out chunk of jacket weighing consideraby less than 50%.
Slowing them down won't help, they did just what they are supposed to do.
One shot I definantly remember was a hard raking shot on a cow Gemsbuck, about 140 yards, behind the last rib, penetrated the rumen and the chest cavity was pulp. And yes by your PHs standards the bullet failed and failed badly but she was stone dead in 30 yards.
I am one that likes a bullets energy used up INSIDE the animal I'm shooting, not on the hillside behind it! But we're all different and that's a wonderfull thing!
who said anything about them failing , mate?
I said they killed .
the penetration wasn't that great , I think they loose a lot of momentum by shattering on the skin.
without a doubt the petals ,cause major trauma, as the end result was death.
I stand by the too soft statement ,
id hate to have to do any other shot than out in the open ,with them .
ive hunted deer here ,with them aswell , and wasn't that impressed , but once again they killed , the shots have been side on ,and qarrtering away , in perfect instances, no bush to punch through .
im glad the only bone ive hit ,with them is rib.
they shoot well out of both the riffles ive used them on
im just not overly impressed with the penetration or the retention, but as I said they killed ........
if that silly logic , so be it .
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