SOUTH AFRICA: Jannie Otto Safaris - Cannot Recommend

I’ve only been to Africa once and it was an auction hunt. I understood going in that adding days or animals was a nice courtesy to the outfitter.

My hunt was 6 days and included a blue and a black wildebeest. Due to scheduling conflicts we couldn’t add any days, but I did shoot 5 additional animals.

My experience was very different than yours, and I’m sorry you experienced that. But I would call my PH a friend and we have stayed in communication since my hunt in August.
 
Looks like Jannie is still working hard to refuse accountability and blame others! After ignoring my messages for over 2 months where I attempted to find a resolution and avoid being forced to do a credit card chargeback, Jannie has now messaged to threaten to sue me for having posted my truthful and accurate review. Guess he doesn't like light being shown on his actions.

I do hope many people see this and do not book with him. There are way too many good operations, including so many of the advertisers & outfitters here, to waste time and money with a poor experience at Jannie Otto.
He could show up here and share his point of view, in a professional and respectful discourse….. Seems easier than a lawsuit….
 
I am so sorry this was your experience! We believe at Kalahari Safari that we treat all our clients to the best possible experience, even if it is donation hunt. Someone made the time and effort to travel to Africa and for some it is their only way of achieving a longtime dream.
Have you ever had that experience where you feel that the actual people taking care of the clients day to day are the reason it keeps going even despite the management or leader of a company? That is how I'd sum up my experience with Jannie Otto Safaris. The times interacting with anyone other than Jannie were good to very good, but anything with Jannie himself was just dealing with his poor communication, refusal to acknowledge problems or his mistakes, and frequently him attempting to blame me for things he did wrong with bookings or arrangements.

Short Summary:

  • Jannie was very high pressure to add on days/animals/activities. I’ve done two auction hunts before and fully expected to add on to it, but Jannie started off high pressure from the start and kept it up.
  • All of Jannie’s offered side trips, not just trophy fees, were way over priced. Some were double cost of direct booking.
  • Jannie’s communication was very poor. I had to be very crisp in detailing what was wrong with the itinerary (“your itinerary notes the 18th for arrival but we actually arrive on the 21st”) and even with that it took multiple repeated communications to get resolved.
  • Jannie made several mistakes in booking lodging for us, though he had promised it would all be smoother and easier than doing ourselves. Everything he booked cost more than direct booking and was not at the quality/amenity level promised. In one case, the hotel wasn’t even confirmed even though he stated it was.
  • Once he was paid our last night at Sandy Mount, and before our trip to Victoria Falls, he stopped responding to the issues I encountered with his booked arrangement the rest of the trip.
  • I was forced to file a credit card dispute due to not receiving what was paid for and Jannie not replying to my multiple attempts to reach a resolution.
 
He could show up here and share his point of view, in a professional and respectful discourse….. Seems easier than a lawsuit….
Except for the multitude of privacy issues they face that would be true.
 
He could show up here and share his point of view, in a professional and respectful discourse….. Seems easier than a lawsuit….
If he had engaged in professional and respectful discourse then I believe we could have worked things out. Unfortunately, interactions with him were all around blaming others and making clear he didn't see fault in anything he did. If he came here, he would just argue this was all my fault and that he did nothing wrong.

I have had problems on other hunts. I fully understand that things go wrong and there can be mistakes. I had a hunt where half of the hunting days had problems in camp and with transport that limited options for multiple days. That didn't result in me writing a negative review because of how the outfitter handled it, talked to me around each issue and what was being done about the issue, and took steps to try and make other accommodations to fill in. The difference is in how the outfitter handles issues when they inevitably come up. Every other outfitter was proactive with alerting me to possible concerns or issues and telling me the options when things came up, with them looking to help to resolution.

On this trip, I had to find out about problems and changes myself as there was no communication from the people responsible for the arrangements. If I had chosen to handle all arrangements not related to the actual hunting time at Sandy Mount this whole trip would have been different. But Jannie said he'd make it all easy and to trust them with all arrangements. Then he failed repeatedly on that. When they don't deliver on promises and do nothing about it other than put it on the client? That's the outfitters to stay away from.

No confirmed hotel for my family upon arrival in JNB? Had to find out about that myself from the hotel and not Jannie. Then I had to book confirmed accommodations myself.

They messed up by not booking a 2nd room as the airport hotel requires for 3 people? I was forced to pay for 2nd room myself at walk up rates.

Not booking the hotel quality in Victoria Falls that was promised and then not saying anything to me at all around the downgrade? By the time I found out about the change there were no other options as it was too close to arrival. Jannie focused on trying to convince me it was forced due to my requirements for 3 people and that it should be acceptable to downgrade as river front was never promised (even though it clearly was in the package description).

Things could have been massively different with professional and respectful discourse. That was extremely lacking when I'd raise concerns or issues to Jannie. There are so many other good outfitters out there that I've hunted with, read great review around here, and heard about from friends and fellow hunters. Stick with those and have confidence in a good experience.
 
I’ve only been to Africa once and it was an auction hunt. I understood going in that adding days or animals was a nice courtesy to the outfitter.

My hunt was 6 days and included a blue and a black wildebeest. Due to scheduling conflicts we couldn’t add any days, but I did shoot 5 additional animals.

My experience was very different than yours, and I’m sorry you experienced that. But I would call my PH a friend and we have stayed in communication since my hunt in August.
That's the experience I had with other hunts with outfitters! My PHs from all my other hunts are in WhatsApp and we chat periodically to keep in touch and talk about future plans.
 
 
I never understand the concept of "auction hunt". You pay an organization. They pay for the hunt or pay very little.
It is like the age old time share condo sales pitch - come for the presentation, get a free trip. Yet it is not free.

I partly blame the critter clubs for this - they are the actual "sellers" yet have no accountability for what is done or sold. They scam the cash with no obligation on thier part.

If the critter clubs truly wanted to make this work, they would pay the outfitter enough to cover costs or make a profit, then act as agent and sell the hunt via an auction. There is no free lunch.
Safari outfitters do not make gigantic piles of money. I have yet to meet any outfitter that is driving a new Lexus and living large.

Hunting is a luxury pastime and as such YOU the hunter should pay your own way and forget the critter club auctions..... This is a pure luxury business and we should be ashamed to think we are getting a "good deal" for nothing or a steep discount. Hunting is not Ebay or gunbroker....

Pay your own way and control your own plans and trip.....
 
My two "auction hunts" were fantastic.

My booked hunt was somewhat lacking...
 
No confirmed hotel for my family upon arrival in JNB? Had to find out about that myself from the hotel and not Jannie. Then I had to book confirmed accommodations myself.

They messed up by not booking a 2nd room as the airport hotel requires for 3 people? I was forced to pay for 2nd room myself at walk up rates.

Not booking the hotel quality in Victoria Falls that was promised and then not saying anything to me at all around the downgrade? By the time I found out about the change there were no other options as it was too close to arrival. Jannie focused on trying to convince me it was forced due to my requirements for 3 people and that it should be acceptable to downgrade as river
This is pretty simple it seems.
1) Communication it seems could have been better it would seem prior to the trip
2) however, it seems the primary complicating factor is simple…. You “expanded” and brought family (which is great) but it added a wrinkle outside of “the package” that was included in what was promised as part of the auction
3) Airport arrival… it seems YOUR room was booked appropriately but the EXTRA room was not. NOTE: you directly contradicted your original statement/complaint where you claimed it wasn’t booked at all… there clearly was a room just not TWO. Thankfully, it was addressed quite easily it seems. I’m sure it created momentary anxiety…so you booked the extra room at the “walk up rate” …financially speaking…so what?? This seems like it caused some anxiety but clearly no financial issue. It couldn’t have been that bad because you knew what hotel, that it was clearly booked (or you wouldn’t have been there and it clearly was) just not two rooms
4) Victoria Falls… you say you were “downgraded” but you never listed the hotel you were “downgraded to”. It’s incredibly easy to see how “two adjoining rooms” may have indeed not been available. Again, your added wrinkle seems to be the root issue. I can easily see there being some disappointment…A Zambezi Lodge, however is NOT an expensive lodge. Again…what were you downgraded to and what perceived financial impact was there???

So….in summary… You paid a third party a significantly discounted rate for an auction…
You added a need (for good reason) above and beyond what was to be included and paid for by the donating party (The Outfitter)
As an adult who has traveled, you likely know that booking say two rooms and arranging separate payments under one reservation (him paying for one and you needing to pay for the other) could likely lead to this very type of issue and certainly that an adjoining room may also not be available
BUT…most importantly….you ultimately assert you were FINANCIALLY harmed and he should have come to some agreement with you to presumably REFUND YOU money paid to a third party for HIS DONATION
FOR WHAT? FOR HOW MUCH??
YOU FILED A CREDIT CARD DISPUTE ON ALLLLLL OF IT!!!!! Who gets hurt?.. DSC or SCI or Ducks Unlimited?…. GTFO of here….this is crazy….
Maximum financial impact if it even exists is like $100 a night x 3???? Make a public stink and do your best to harm someone and screw over some conservation org over your feelings and $300 bucks
Got it…
 
I partly blame the critter clubs for this - they are the actual "sellers" yet have no accountability for what is done or sold. They scam the cash with no obligation on thier part

Not entirely true, when I was president of a chapter, we had a well known outfitter scam 2 hunters on an auction hunt. We paid the hunters back.

I turned down more than a few as well to avoid problems.

Now on the flip side, I told an organization they were auctioning off a hunt of a person with known ties to Rhino Poaching and was basically told well it was a 100% donation...so my advice is do your research before hand and understand what you are buying and from who.
 
After years of reading negative reports around auction hunts I can’t help but feel - cheap / bargain hunter client meets bad outfitter who can only compete on price. Yes, this is a major generalization and there are great outfits that are compelled to give away hunts as part of exhibiting at a show. But for the rest… Like Dogcat said hunting is a luxury item. It doesn't need to be affordable to everyone. Save up and book a quality hunt, stay away from the angles and complicated schemes
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This guy is a POS Liar as suspected…..
So this guy paid $1,300 for an “estimated value $10,700” hunt
See screenshot of his purchase.
Yeah…you guys see a promised Zambezi River Lodge????
No..no you do not…
So this scammer wants his $1,300 back from Safari Club Kansas City Chapter
Make sure the local Chapter doesn’t get a penny of the $1,300 he paid and didn’t get his money’s worth
Came on here out of nowhere to slam someone. I knew it smelled….cant take this stuff at face value like that guys…


Standard lodge accommodations and breakfast for three nights for two persons at Victoria Falls are included as well as transfer fees to and from the Victoria Falls airport and the lodge.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_0175.jpeg
    IMG_0175.jpeg
    1.1 MB · Views: 51
My 2cents, I have no experience with Jannie Otto other than YouTube videos and those Decker folks seem to really like them.

11k for three days with a gemsbok and springbok with 3 nights at a lodge in Zim with no hunting and breakfast only is what we call in the building and real estate business... puffing.

$1300 on the other hand seems pretty low. If it had been me, I'd have tried the work a deal say, let's forget Zim, comp me those nights at your lodge and I'll pay you for a kudu, bushbuck and a blue etc.

Can't tell you how many drunk guys I've seen overbid double for Argentina dove trips at banquets.

Anyone remember when they used to bring out lab puppies at DU banquets?
A lot of nice dogs were done a disservice because of extra cuteness brought on by having beer and liquor eyes.
 
This is pretty simple it seems.
1) Communication it seems could have been better it would seem prior to the trip
2) however, it seems the primary complicating factor is simple…. You “expanded” and brought family (which is great) but it added a wrinkle outside of “the package” that was included in what was promised as part of the auction
3) Airport arrival… it seems YOUR room was booked appropriately but the EXTRA room was not. NOTE: you directly contradicted your original statement/complaint where you claimed it wasn’t booked at all… there clearly was a room just not TWO. Thankfully, it was addressed quite easily it seems. I’m sure it created momentary anxiety…so you booked the extra room at the “walk up rate” …financially speaking…so what?? This seems like it caused some anxiety but clearly no financial issue. It couldn’t have been that bad because you knew what hotel, that it was clearly booked (or you wouldn’t have been there and it clearly was) just not two rooms
4) Victoria Falls… you say you were “downgraded” but you never listed the hotel you were “downgraded to”. It’s incredibly easy to see how “two adjoining rooms” may have indeed not been available. Again, your added wrinkle seems to be the root issue. I can easily see there being some disappointment…A Zambezi Lodge, however is NOT an expensive lodge. Again…what were you downgraded to and what perceived financial impact was there???

So….in summary… You paid a third party a significantly discounted rate for an auction…
You added a need (for good reason) above and beyond what was to be included and paid for by the donating party (The Outfitter)
As an adult who has traveled, you likely know that booking say two rooms and arranging separate payments under one reservation (him paying for one and you needing to pay for the other) could likely lead to this very type of issue and certainly that an adjoining room may also not be available
BUT…most importantly….you ultimately assert you were FINANCIALLY harmed and he should have come to some agreement with you to presumably REFUND YOU money paid to a third party for HIS DONATION
FOR WHAT? FOR HOW MUCH??
YOU FILED A CREDIT CARD DISPUTE ON ALLLLLL OF IT!!!!! Who gets hurt?.. DSC or SCI or Ducks Unlimited?…. GTFO of here….this is crazy….
Maximum financial impact if it even exists is like $100 a night x 3???? Make a public stink and do your best to harm someone and screw over some conservation org over your feelings and $300 bucks
Got it…
Unfortunately, you are incorrect on a number of your understandings and statments there.


1 - Communication from outfitter could have been massively better.

2 -The "expanding" as you call it was not a complicating factor when the outfitter invited it and encouraged it. So if it were a complicating factor, they should have raised it. They never did and they said the only thing that would change is that I'd have to pay for the 3rd, which I understood and did pay for.

3 - There were two separate lodgings booked - one to be upon first arrival in to Johannesburg before being with the outfitter and one being between being with the outfitter and flying to Victoria Falls. You claiming I contradicted myself is incorrect, please read all to better understand.

The hotel upon arrival was claimed to me to have been booked but was not a confirmed booking and the supposedly booked hotel had no record of my name for any reservation.

The hotel between time at the outfitter and the trip to Victoria Falls was noted to have been booked for 3 people but was invalidly booked.

4 - Was downgraded to Waterfalls Hotel. And, as I stated above, two adjoining rooms were available at the other property which was waterfront. The impact was on the amenities and experiences expected vs delivered. Waterfalls was a lower price property.

Are you trying to say that the fact that one purchases an auction should mean that they are treated differently by an outfitter and expect to receive sub-standard service?

I did not file a credit card dispute for all of it, never said I did that. I filed a dispute for just the amounts that I paid directly to the outfitter for the items that they were supposed to have booked that were either not booked correctly or not at the level promised. That was less than 10% of the total amount paid to them, so they still profited handsomely.

I know it's pretty normal on the internet to jump to the attacks on people like you did, but your statements are completely uneducated and unfounded.
 
This guy is a POS Liar as suspected…..
So this guy paid $1,300 for an “estimated value $10,700” hunt
See screenshot of his purchase.
Yeah…you guys see a promised Zambezi River Lodge????
No..no you do not…
So this scammer wants his $1,300 back from Safari Club Kansas City Chapter
Make sure the local Chapter doesn’t get a penny of the $1,300 he paid and didn’t get his money’s worth
Came on here out of nowhere to slam someone. I knew it smelled….cant take this stuff at face value like that guys…


Standard lodge accommodations and breakfast for three nights for two persons at Victoria Falls are included as well as transfer fees to and from the Victoria Falls airport and the lodge.
umm, that auction was not purchased by me. And, as I stated above, I never disputed the auction payment nor the full separate amount paid to Jannie Otto, I only disputed a portion of what was paid to him that was equal to the downgrades and cost incurred by me due to his failures to provide promised services.

Can I ask what your associate to Jannie Otto is? Seems like you've got something going on here.
 
umm, that auction was not purchased by me. And, as I stated above, I never disputed the auction payment nor the full separate amount paid to Jannie Otto, I only disputed a portion of what was paid to him that was equal to the downgrades and cost incurred by me due to his failures to provide promised services.

Can I ask what your associate to Jannie Otto is? Seems like you've got something going on here.
He doesn’t have any association with the outfitter. What he is trying to say, is if you are complaining about a cheap auction hunt then go book what you want directly with the outfitter of your choice. The outfitters don’t make money on auction hunts, those are just donations. The only way an outfitters makes money off of an auction hunt is if the client spends more money on additional animals while they are in camp. Kpoynter, is a cheapass himself, so if he is saying that you are crying over spilled milk there is probably something to it. :ROFLMAO:

There are quality hunts for everyone’s financial situation in Africa. A little research goes a long way.
 
The feedback shared here was not around an auction nor around pricing. It was around Jannie's behaviors and interactions with clients:
- Falsely claiming lodgings were booked
- Changing items in the itinerary without informing me that changes were being made
- Failing to correctly book things for which he asked for the responsibility to book
- Trying to blame others for the shortcomings and issues with the items he booked

I have no reason to think his behavior would be any different for a non-auction hunt. I shared feedback here so that others are aware and will book with the many other outfitters on here who do so much better. I couldn't find any feedback here around Jannie. With this poor experience, I wanted to help others avoid a repeat.
 
If he had engaged in professional and respectful discourse then I believe we could have worked things out. Unfortunately, interactions with him were all around blaming others and making clear he didn't see fault in anything he did. If he came here, he would just argue this was all my fault and that he did nothing wrong.

I have had problems on other hunts. I fully understand that things go wrong and there can be mistakes. I had a hunt where half of the hunting days had problems in camp and with transport that limited options for multiple days. That didn't result in me writing a negative review because of how the outfitter handled it, talked to me around each issue and what was being done about the issue, and took steps to try and make other accommodations to fill in. The difference is in how the outfitter handles issues when they inevitably come up. Every other outfitter was proactive with alerting me to possible concerns or issues and telling me the options when things came up, with them looking to help to resolution.

On this trip, I had to find out about problems and changes myself as there was no communication from the people responsible for the arrangements. If I had chosen to handle all arrangements not related to the actual hunting time at Sandy Mount this whole trip would have been different. But Jannie said he'd make it all easy and to trust them with all arrangements. Then he failed repeatedly on that. When they don't deliver on promises and do nothing about it other than put it on the client? That's the outfitters to stay away from.

No confirmed hotel for my family upon arrival in JNB? Had to find out about that myself from the hotel and not Jannie. Then I had to book confirmed accommodations myself.

They messed up by not booking a 2nd room as the airport hotel requires for 3 people? I was forced to pay for 2nd room myself at walk up rates.

Not booking the hotel quality in Victoria Falls that was promised and then not saying anything to me at all around the downgrade? By the time I found out about the change there were no other options as it was too close to arrival. Jannie focused on trying to convince me it was forced due to my requirements for 3 people and that it should be acceptable to downgrade as river front was never promised (even though it clearly was in the package description).

Things could have been massively different with professional and respectful discourse. That was extremely lacking when I'd raise concerns or issues to Jannie. There are so many other good outfitters out there that I've hunted with, read great review around here, and heard about from friends and fellow hunters. Stick with those and have confidence in a good experience.
I'm pretty sure that anyone who has been to South Africa several times understands what is going on in your post. I'm still trying to figure out what your credit card dispute for damages are, but all that aside, when you choose to join a forum to intentionally bash an outfitter, well it just seems classless. Jannie Otto Safaris has been in business for 43 years....Outfitters don't last 43 years and get elected to the African Professional Hunters hall of fame if they are bad outfitters. You are very disrespectful, and I think you owe J.O.S. an apology.

On the subject of auction hunts
There are a couple reason outfitters donate them.
it brings money to the chapter that they donate to. Secondary, they use this to create a client base for return hunters. They don't necessarily lose money on auction hunts, but standard package is a low profit margin. They treat these hunts the same as any other.
What I get out of this is you could not afford to do a proper trip, they didn't fluff your pillow and powder you ass on time, and you are disputing hundreds of dollars?
Feel free to P.M. me!
 

Forum statistics

Threads
63,955
Messages
1,407,949
Members
127,794
Latest member
JarredPare
 

 

 

Latest profile posts

USMA84DAB wrote on JBryant's profile.
Second message to insure you are notified that someone is using my ID on this board to scam you.
ChooChoo404 wrote on MontanaGrant's profile.
Hi. Giving it serious consideration . Ive bought from azdave gonna ask him bout you

Any wisdom or opinions on that reticle? There a manual?
Hedge774 wrote on Odinsraven's profile.
Hey Odinsraven. Is that post from Jefferry 404 legitimate? I don't know him. Thanks!
Hedge
Manny R wrote on SETH RINGER's profile.
I have no idea the shipping cost from here to Costa Rica. I can do my research on shipping and get back with you later today.
 
Top