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I’ve listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Rupert Lowe. He seemed to have his head screwed on right, although I mainly only know him from the UK rape gang report. What do you think his chances are over the next 10 years to right the ship?

Not too clued up on it...but his restore party and farage with reform party seem to butt heads.....and he definitely doesn't hang back in parliament or in his youtube stuff.....his posts pop up on my youtube as I looked at a couple of his videos.....if he won there would be some serious deportation...which sounds good
 
For some of our discontented anti capitalist members here.

When feelings of envy, bitterness, resentment occur. Taking ::30 to appreciate what you have work magic. Contentment can’t come from money, things or a job. Or hating corporations. If you don’t have gratitude . Those things won’t provide it.

I’ll guarantee even in Nepal right now those rural people are content and feel gratitude. It’s the way they’re wired. They work very hard for very little and are some of the happiest people I have interacted with on the planet.


Thank you for that response. I absolutely agree that there are a lot of dynamics that contribute to success or failure. I struggle with the idea that the state has a role in creating success. I do believe it has a role in protecting the vulnerable and enforcing rules. But, more than that scares me.

I am reading that we all agree a capitalist system of some form is better than the others. This debate seems to be about the extent of control exerted over activities within the capitalist environment. Do you agree?

I have always avoided large businesses - the farmer is not sharing his profits with his cattle. Same goes for any large group because the individual become secondary to the group. You can’t reason with a mob. Which applies to government too.

There is an enormous amount of wealth created by small businesses, businesses that are run like families, in communities they care about. You may be an example of that kind of entrepreneur. Do you need external controls to ensure you act ethically? To be charitable?Or are controls just for the other guy?

When you reflect on your success, why do you think you were able to get from your position in your example of corporate greed to the success you now have? I suspect a mix of positive role models, hard work, a desire to achieve and luck all played a roll. Do you think you got an advantage that may not be available to most? For example, you hold multiple degrees, and I assume accessing that education has opened doors for you. Did someone else pay for those? You don’t act like some of your friends because you know it will undermine your success. Why don’t they see that and act accordingly? Attitude plays a huge role (I accept that it’s not the only determinant)

The belief I hold is that the tools we need to succeed are available to everyone. My parents immigrated in the late 60s. We have family pictures, sitting on a couch but the table in the foreground was a cloth over a box something was delivered in. Sometime in the mid to late 1980s my father’s career took off. Why? Because he was recognized in the USA. His dark skin and funny name did not matter there. His ideas did. In Canada he was never accepted by the political elites and his career was curtailed until peers in the USA recognized him. Was it racism in Canada? Probably at some level. But it was more about the fact that the USA allow merit to rise, no matter your origin. Canada was, and is, much more of a small town bureaucracy and who you know really does matter. Strange how someone from outside the USA can find success but people born there can’t. Maybe it’s not the system after all?

That does not mean everyone will achieve the same level of success.

A humbling story - the parent of an employee of mine was a house keeper. I helped my employee learn a career and advance herself financially. All her work, I just provided the opportunity. At some point I had to hire a new cleaning service and she volunteered to do that work. To paraphrase my response, I insinuated her new career was superior to some who cleans for a living.

She exposed the hierarchy I perceived based of what someone does for a living. For her, hard work has no hierarchy. Success is what you have through your efforts. Wealth is desirable but not the measure of success. I was truly humbled and felt quite embarrassed.

Maybe it’s the left that is obsessed with wealth and not people who covet free enterprise? The obsession with manufacturing some arbitrary level of equality is dehumanizing. It’s based on an elitist view of society where the main motivation is jealousy.

My belief is that the greater involvement of the state to redistribute wealth, or mandate employment requirements,etc does not create the internal motivation to make life better for one’s family. The state gets into the business of trying to control success and that just distorts the market. You can’t legislate attitude. And, once the bureaucracy controls access to “success “, If you don’t play their game you are frozen out.

We would probably agree that the state has a role. But my experience, lived vicariously through my parents in India and Canada, makes me fear bureaucracy and its controlling hand.

The cure is not more government. The Inuit had their sled dogs slaughtered in the 1970s so they would stop being nomadic. Then famous assholes like Paul McCartney used their fame to influence governments to destroy their industry. To this day, the European, US and other governments impose laws that ensure poverty and ignore their submissions. The former Premier of Nunavut explained to me that Parliament does not listen when someone outside has an inflatable seal. I don’t think there are any other communities in North America that endure the pernicious effects of government regulation like the Inuit and First Nations. There is a lesson to learn here. It has been stated before - the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I find this millennial anti-capitalist nonsense, often expressed in anti-corporate terms, thoroughly incomprehensible. I am certain that is indeed a generational view. But it is not a view based upon the cost of groceries or gas, but rather, I am convinced, upon differing appreciations of what constitutes opportunity and satisfaction in life.

I grew up in a 1200 square foot home of a college history professor. When I left home for the military service, I was gifted a suitcase. No, I didn't walk through the snow five miles to third grade, but we did not have AC until I was in the fourth grade (in South Louisiana no less). What I did have was a great offline education acquired through books, discussions with my father and his circle of friends (including a fellow by the name of Ambrose) and a burning desire to be successful.

The military is the purest meritocracy that I have yet seen organized by humans. It is a demanding world but one where competence is hard to ignore or fail to reward. Almost inevitably, one can meet barriers to further success - some human, some structural, and some simply bad luck. Those barriers can remain just that in our minds are become inflection points for further success. In my case, it was the SECDEF. So at the age of fifty and the then second youngest two button in the US Army, I decided to put a bright red ribbon around my military experiences, retire and enter the corporate world.

In my experience, large corporations are meritocracies in much the same way as the military. They are places where competence is valued and the "mission" rather than a time clock is the focus. Like many former military officers, I was brought in as a business developer. This was largely an aerospace company with then around 100K employees and 45 billion USD in annual sales mostly to the US government. For a year and a half, I learned the language, the culture, and the difference between zero line budgeting (spend it or lose it) and profit. The corporation assisted by sending me to a crash program at the Tuck School of Business (Dartmouth).

At the end of that of that year and a half, I was promoted to Vice President and given a Business Unit to run. For the next decade, I led (I deliberately use the military term) an organization of nearly a thousand people on three major "campuses" ranging from Huntsville, AL to Los Angeles, CA., to Washington DC. We did 800 million to a billion in sales annually mostly to the Army and Marine Corps (some of you vets may recall FBCB2 or Blue Force Tracking - a product of my business unit) that helped bring a lot of kids home safe from the GWOT while earning a profit and helping sustain shareholder value assuring the development investment stream necessary for continued innovation.

No, it was not a place where one would go for warm and fuzzy hugs. But, it was a place where anyone with the qualifications to be hired, had the opportunity to be hugely successful. Well over a dozen members of my former teams have gone on to become senior directors or vice presidents in that corporation or others where many are still doing great things for themselves, the business, their investors, and the country. All of our employees were generously compensated to include the opportunity to build real wealth. Those who could not adapt to that environment or the corporate mission were let go.

Peers, some former military and many not, had similar experiences in other defense, engineering, and industrial corporations. I am confident that they all would agree that these were not places to earn a paycheck. Instead they were environments where leaders with ability, drive, and focus could achieve personal success. I think I was particularly lucky creating capabilities to empower America's soldiers on the battlefield, but the same sort of personal success, fueled by ambition, can be had at Hershey or Mattel.

In many ways, with respect to a workforce, I led a charmed life. The only time that I had to deal with a timeclock focused team was my final job in the military when I commanded the US ARMY Security Assistance Command. There, I commanded a largely civilian, union organized bureaucratic organization. Out of profound respect for @Mark A Ouellette, I think I'll leave it there. :cool:
 
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He believes corporations are just supposed to be employment agencies and not make decent profits.
Employment agencies make money too. A long time ago Exxon plant at Baytown, TX offered me a yearly maintenance contract. Stipulation was that I’d hire and include two guys corporate had RIFfed as they were the only guys that knew their Honeywell DCS system.

I took 25% of the net after taxes and insurance. Both retired 25 years later.

As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL.
 
Employment agencies make money too. A long time ago Exxon plant at Baytown, TX offered me a yearly maintenance contract. Stipulation was that I’d hire and include two guys corporate had RIFfed as they were the only guys that knew their Honeywell DCS system.

I took 25% of the net after taxes and insurance. Both retired 25 years later.

As Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL.
Sure. However, my point was that he thinks it is all about the employees and that businesses should not make much profit.
 
Sure. However, my point was that he thinks it is all about the employees and that businesses should not make much profit.
What is ironic is that the left hate Elon Musk due to his wealth. Apple, in reality is one of the most profitable companies ever. Margins on iPhones are huge. This enables Apple to innovate and return good shareholder value. They don’t dump on Apple as no one person owns the majority of the company and of course they gotta use $1K iPhones while complaining about the “rich” and corporate greed.
 
Have put on links to the spying modern cars do on you previously in this thread....but it's getting worse....the amount of information the sensors and cameras collect is mind blowing....from your sex life.. politics..weight...even if you pick your nose....another reason to find good older vehicles....

And what about those microchips in COVID vaccines? You forgot about those. Govt must still be spying on my sex life. Now there's a waste of tax dollars. Coroner's ruling for that IT technician dying on the job would be "bored to death." :D
 
What is ironic is that the left hate Elon Musk due to his wealth. Apple, in reality is one of the most profitable companies ever. Margins on iPhones are huge. This enables Apple to innovate and return good shareholder value. They don’t dump on Apple as no one person owns the majority of the company and of course they gotta use $1K iPhones while complaining about the “rich” and corporate greed.
Plus people dump on Elon because he is an asshole. It's not entirely anti-capitalist he is just remarkably unlikeable.
 
Have put on links to the spying modern cars do on you previously in this thread....but it's getting worse....the amount of information the sensors and cameras collect is mind blowing....from your sex life.. politics..weight...even if you pick your nose....another reason to find good older vehicles....


This is a really big issue. Most of the modern vehicles since ~2024 have a number of features that a tyrannical government can abuse. One immediate issue is right to modify (or delete) which means that the vehicle automatically connects back to the OEM and if it sees the ECM is modified or out of date, they push new code overnight which would disable the vehicle. This is why people are paying full MSRP for 2023 Diesel Pickups at present.

The other issue is that law enforcement can disable a vehicle in motion under the guise they can stop an kidnapping or end a high speed chase by contacting the OEM. You can imagine that this also means that a bureaucrat could state you've used up your carbon allotment for the month and your vehicle will be reactivated next month when your next ration is allocated. Alternatively, they would be able to tax and assess your based on observed miles and speeds, or require you to have more expensive insurance because of utilization rates.

My parents paid MSRP for a used 2023 Tacoma two years ago, rather than buy the 2024 new off the lot for some of these reasons. (and to get the bulletproof v6 no longer offered)

Buy used cars that are simple to maintain and have no direct connectivity to the OEM.
 
I’ve listened to the Joe Rogan podcast with Rupert Lowe. He seemed to have his head screwed on right, although I mainly only know him from the UK rape gang report. What do you think his chances are over the next 10 years to right the ship?
Zero.
Even if magically the schools, news networks, and government switched to a nationalist agenda and had actual conservative values that country still has a invasion problem with a culture that believes another cultures submission is the only form of cooperation. So unless they’re willing to address that problem which they won’t.. then they will fall. Like every civilization that has faced a similar issue has in the past. Though they won’t be lonely the rest of Europe is right behind them.
 
And what about those microchips in COVID vaccines? You forgot about those. Govt must still be spying on my sex life. Now there's a waste of tax dollars. Coroner's ruling for that IT technician dying on the job would be "bored to death." :D

Honestly haven't got a clue what you are on about....or the relevance to the article.....
 
The state can/has created success in many ways. Here are some infrastructure related examples (as I am primarily a Transportation Engineer); the interstate highway system, airports, seaports, dams, the electrification of rural America, the TVA, railroads in the 1800s. All of these have depended heavily on government involvement. Their creation has bred enormous successes for American corporations. How large and profitable would McDonalds be without an interstate or US route system? How efficiently could Walmart move goods without railroads and seaports? Would United Airlines exist if the gov wasn't subsidizing their infrastructure costs? How about the internet and the World Wide Web?

Yes, as the old saying goes; Capitalism is the least bad choice among economic philosophies. Republicans are always championing de-regulation, but we've seen how bad things get with un-regulated capitalism. It can actually destroy and canabalize itself.

I think a mob and a large bureaucracy are different. One is actively violent, while the other is just apathetic at times. As a current bureaucrat myself, I can tell you that no one I work with wakes up everyday thinking about how they can screw over people. We mostly gather data and write reports that are used to inform the executives.

Sometimes they do. I've worked for both large and small businesses. And I can tell you the smaller the better in terms of an employee's perspective. Smaller businesses can have a family setting, although not guaranteed. The controls are needed mostly for the larger businesses. The larger they get, the more controls they need. The more misdeeds they do. Walmart needs more controls that my local hardware store. Did you know that Walmart once got caught bribing officials in central/south America (among other crimes)? To the tune of $100 million dollars (not inflation adjusted)? The guy running my local hardware store doesn't have that kind of money for bribes. The playing field is not equal, that's what the regulations are for. Go look up HSBC drug scandal Mexico. My local credit union doesn't need regulations to control it in the same way HSBC does. Or like when the ACA forced health insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions and not discriminate against them anymore.

I mean I literally left that corporate MIC job, and took another one 6 hours away from home to live in a rat/roach apartment. That's how bad it was. Perhaps that job has colored my beliefs in big business, or perhaps it just opened my eyes.

Yes, I had some advantages that are not available to everyone. And I acknowledge those. That's why I always quote the Oracle of Omaha's sage advice about the Ovarian lottery. Think about it, I...
1. Was born a straight white male in the USA in modern times,
2. Grew up in a loving, two-parent family, free from divorce,
3. That contained no absue,
4. That contained role models, both good and bad; hard working dedicated good roles models, and at least 2-3 extended family bad role models that showed me how I didn't want to end up (drugs and booze). I learned more from bad roles models than good ones on how to live a life. I like to drive my kids to the shitty parts of town and ask them which house they want us to move into. After they're done loosing their shit, I explain that this is when some (but not all) f@ck-ups live.
5. Had parents to guide me in life,
6. That showed me how to think critically using math, and not emotion.
7. showed me how to invest in real estate, in stocks, in assets (I own 3 rental homes)
8. Had a family that partially payed for several financial milestones in my life; partial college education, a partial house down payment, and finally a great aunt/uncle that passed leaving me part of their estate, which I used to pay off debts and invest in a nicer house with.

Most people don't have that.

Yes. I knew early on that a general business degree wasn't going to be worth very much. UCF graduates 1000 of those every semester. Same with Psychology majors. So I chose a much more difficult but lucrative path, but one I was also interested in personally. And have a high aptitude for mathematically. I knew that if I worked hard earlier on that eventually I would land a good paying job with at least a decent boss, and I could work less then. And that strategy has worked well for me. I'm a believer in delayed gratification. Just don't wait too long, or your life passes you by.

Yes, see above. My dad had student loans that caused him financial issues, and he didn't want his kids to have that same issue, since it held him back in life.

Oh man, one of my side hustles is a book I'm writing entitled "The Life and Times of Pasco County"...If I ever get it finished. Nothing but one messed up Florida Man story after another, many include my friends bad decisions.

Sometimes that's true. I would say some tools that no longer exist that used to decades ago was affordable college, reasonably priced healthcare, and affordable starter homes. All contributed to the success of the baby boomer generation.

This could also be a survivorship bias as well? We would nee much more data to gauge it in a wider context.

True, nor should we expect them to.

I don't view the burger flipper as any less than me, nor the janitor. Folks on here throw a lot of shade at those professions. I simply ask; why don't they get to earn enough money to survive off of? Why are we intentionally paying large groups of people poverty wages?

All I know is when Jeff Bezos has a $1 Billion dollar yacht, and 48% of his NV workers are on welfare, and 29% of Walmart of hourly workers too, I know thats morally wrong. Nobody who works full time should be on food stamps. They can pay them more. I've been through the math with both Walmart and McDonalds on this very thread. It works out. It's not my job to subsidize Walmarts profits to enrich wealthy shareholders.

There are ways to design social programs that encourage personal growth without sacrificing needed benefits. The avg. SNAP benefit for NC is $332/month. You think folks would choose to live in poverty for $332/month? That's not enough. If a one parent household worked 45 hours a week, they could recovery that amount by being paid an extra $1.70 an hour by their employer. Thats not going to bankrupt Walmart...America's largest employer. In fact that's equal to about 17% of Walmart's profits if every hourly employee gets that raise. Let's say they need an economic incentive, right? Otherwise why not just take the gov money instead. So let's say Walmart sweetens the pot and uses 34% of profit to give them raises of 3.40. 1/2 makes up for the SNAP, and 1/2 they get to keep. Walmart could take it out of profits, or even pass it along to the consumers. But now not one of their employees are on SNAP welfare. If they can pass on Trump's tariffs costs, they can pass on some raises to the consumers, or a combo thereof.

Some market distortions are good. They're not all bad.

Sure, but regulations on industry and those on people are different things.
A lot of good give and take here. However, many of us disagree with the living wage ideas you cling to. I’ve been working outside of the home since I was 13 years old. I started with nothing and ended up running five restaurants after starting as a dishwasher in college.

Later, I started my own business with a $1000 payment to a lawyer to start a Sub-chapter S corporation. Burger flipping or being a Walmart shelf stocker (I did that too in high school for Safeway) is not supposed to be a career. These are entry level jobs and if you work hard, you move up the ladder. I did it. I know lots of people who did it. I promoted lots of people who did it. I also know lots of slackers that kept screwing up and couldn’t get promoted. They weren’t unlucky, they were slacking off. I ended up managing hundreds of them. I’ve heard every excuse under the sun. I mentored hundreds of them and still a lot of them just kept screwing up. It’s become way too easy in this country and the developed world to just slack, stay a burger flipper, accept government money and smoke dope! While you were getting burned by a bad corporation, I was trying to mentor and help slackers move up in life. It was damn frustrating, I can tell you!

Your experience is not the only one that happens with corporations. My two sons and a daughter-in-law work for big corporations and have had no trouble moving up. One of them has sixty other peers in his division and he was the only one to get the top evaluation of “outstanding” this year. He has gotten that rating four out of five years. My other son is similar and is now running a division. I didn’t let them slack and they saw how hard my wife and I worked. They didn’t make repeated mistakes.

Interesting that you mentioned being a Transportation Engineer. I’m dealing with the government and a TE right now. They are expanding the highway bordering my ranch and are adding lanes. They will be removing my trees and tearing up my valuable grass pastures that we depend on for grazing our horses and mules. Check the price of hay lately in this drought? They will only make one attempt at seeding my pastures afterwards and are not offering me enough money to offset the loss of grazing for about three years that I will incur and that’s IF their grass seeding even takes hold. In addition, I lease an adjoining state owned pasture that also borders the highway and they are offering me nothing for the damage to it because I don’t own it, even though I have leased it for 25 years and just signed a lease extension. They are offering me a pittance for a permanent easement and damages to my grass and we are in a drought, so it is doubtful that one seeding attempt will work. They refuse to add a clause to do another seeding if their first attempt fails. So, your experience with the private sector was bad but I could relate several bad experiences I have had with your beloved government and bureaucracy. The government doesn’t always make things better, protect people or do the right thing. I deal with several agencies with our business and I could tell you multiple stories. Ever try to get in touch with agency people on a Friday? Good luck but you probably already know that.
 
He should start a business and give all the profits to the employees, and see how it all works out
He found his nest and works for the government now, where it is nearly impossible to get fired. The last couple pages have been very enlightening.
 
Honestly haven't got a clue what you are on about....or the relevance to the article.....
i.e. another "big brother is spying on me" conspiracy theory. Sorry if the comparisons were too complicated for you to grasp. Let me be clearer: Frankly, I could give a shit if anyone watches me have sex in a car (boy, those were the days ... sigh!). I guess my privacy might be more important to me if I was dealing meth or trafficking children for sex but I'm not. Someone gets his jollies watching me on a computer screen as I pick up dinner at McDonalds, I'm happy to make him happy.
 
Plus people dump on Elon because he is an asshole. It's not entirely anti-capitalist he is just remarkably unlikeable.
He is actually pretty likable. I have played Diablo IV in a group with him a while back. Yes, I am a gamer as well. When a new season starts I veg out for about 2-3 days playing 20+ hours per day with some guys then good and done until the next season.
 
A large portion of the government are the parasitic types.

Oh yeah and I saw it every day when I was a government GS employee. Can't fire them, and to do it requires years of paper trail. Oh, and God forbid if the Union gets involved.
 
Sure. However, my point was that he thinks it is all about the employees and that businesses should not make much profit.
Perhaps our disillusioned Mr Big Easy needs to read a bit of Adam Smith, Hayek, von Mises or more recently Milton Friedman. Not sure it will help with his affliction but there is always hope.
 

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