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[Big_Easy]

An 86 year old with alleged neurological issues shouldn't be driving and slamming into other people's personal property.

You just described every elderly driver in the state of Florida.../s

 

[Big_Easy]

How many people in America go to jail over misdemeanor property offences?.

Not very many, unless they are a habitual offender. In CA I believe it is 6 months and $1K fine max for a misdemeanor PDO hit-and-run. @RLD , isn't it interesting how concerned some members are on here with traffic violations of a well known Democrat, but don't seem to care when Trump steals 300+ classified documents, improperly stores them in his bathroom, lies to the FBI about it, and then actively obstructs the investigation?

It's a shame that...as @mdwest put it..."he should be held to the exact same standard everyone else is... and be held accountable for his crime"...I couldn't agree more.

 

[Big_Easy]

Save us the bleeding heart victimization spew. It doesn't matter if a car is parked, or occupied. Fleeing, and not facing responsibility is the act of a coward. it is also a crime, even if only a misdemeanor, unless a person is injured, and it becomes a felony in my state.
In 2022, I was personally involved in 2 hit and runs. The first of which, the dirt bag left his vehicle on the street and fled. He was later arrested, and I was subpoenaed as a witness of the state. The dirt bag in question failed to appear. Another warrant was issued......and on....and on.....because of a soft on crime leftist D.A.
The 2nd hit and run I personally chased down and caught them as they tried to hide at their residence not far away . At the end of that chase my gun was drawn.....and I'll leave it at that.
There needs to be harsher penalties for hit and run drivers, regardless of who, or what.

As far as hammer boy is concerned.......
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Hey @LivingTheDream , how come you're not holding @Brent in Az to the same journalistic standards that you hold me too on this forum? You know, the one where absolutely no lying, or even an exaggeration is not allowed?

 

[Red Leg]

I'm gonna plead total ignorance on this topic, but have any of you seen the brewing online fury about Section 219 of the proposed Defense Appropriations Bill for 2027, which calls for an "integration" of Israeli and US military efforts on multiple fronts? I'd love to hear the input on this topic from much more qualified forum members than myself.

Here is a snippet from Tucker Carlson show that details what I'm asking about, and I'll preemptively state that I am considering the liberal former congressional source who is the guest in this clip and taking it with a grain of salt (hence my post here):

Might not be quite as nefarious as Tucker wants his typically gullible audience to believe. In the House version of the bill it suggests cooperative technology exchanges and some integration of supply chains across areas including -

Counter-drone and unmanned systems
Missile and air defense
Artificial intelligence and autonomous systems
Quantum computing
Cyber and electronic warfare
Defense industrial base co-production

This is essentially just rhetoric and is neither anything new nor exactly turning our defense establishment over to the evil Israelis and Jewish lobby. In particular, this is not at all new with respect to air and missile defense.

For instance the Israeli Iron Dome rocket and drone air defense system has worked extremely well since fielding in 2011. Roughly 70% of its components are manufactured by US defense corporations. Just last year, RTX (formerly Raytheon) opened a joint venture facility with Rafael (an Israeli defense corporation) in Arkansas to produce the actual Israeli Iron Dome interceptor which is also being purchased by the US. All of this joint research helps kick start our own efforts to field the "Golden Dome" air and missile defense system which will have a far broader capability.

Our own Patriot and THAAD programs have been both informed and benefitted from close cooperation with the IDF in fielding their Arrow and David Sling missile interceptors. When included with NATO partners, the Russians and Chinese would sell their souls for such complimentary research and development.

Moreover, we have done this for decades. For instance the F-35 is a co-development program with nine other nations (including Israel), and 19 nations are now in the procurement process to acquire the aircraft.

 

[pilar]

Not very many, unless they are a habitual offender. In CA I believe it is 6 months and $1K fine max for a misdemeanor PDO hit-and-run. @RLD , isn't it interesting how concerned some members are on here with traffic violations of a well known Democrat, but don't seem to care when Trump steals 300+ classified documents, improperly stores them in his bathroom, lies to the FBI about it, and then actively obstructs the investigation?

It's a shame that...as @mdwest put it..."he should be held to the exact same standard everyone else is... and be held accountable for his crime"...I couldn't agree more.

Didn’t sleepy joe Biden have a car and garage full of classified documents, plus a laptop full of illegal photos of children, kinda pot calling the kettle black !

Special counsel won't charge Biden in classified docs probe, despite evidence he 'willfully retained' materials

Special counsel Robert Hur won't recommend charges against President Biden for his handling of classified documents,, despite evidence he "willfully retained" materials.

abcnews.com

 

[wesheltonj]

Not very many, unless they are a habitual offender. In CA I believe it is 6 months and $1K fine max for a misdemeanor PDO hit-and-run. @RLD , isn't it interesting how concerned some members are on here with traffic violations of a well known Democrat, but don't seem to care when Trump steals 300+ classified documents, improperly stores them in his bathroom, lies to the FBI about it, and then actively obstructs the investigation?

It's a shame that...as @mdwest put it..."he should be held to the exact same standard everyone else is... and be held accountable for his crime"...I couldn't agree more.

In Texas, a “hit and run” would be a Class B misdemeanor. Is the guilty person going to jail., Yes. Is he going to “do time,” no he is going to get probation. The restitution is more important than sentencing s/he to time. A “hit and run” with a person in the vehicle will be a felony.

Your version of Trump documents is not reality. He could de-classify any document he wants while President. They were secured, locked away with secret service guarding the residence. There is no special requirement. To de-classify. I would suggest that Biden’s documents when he was a senator sitting in his garage and Clinton’s bathroom server are real violations of the law.

When can we expect your hunting reports or is your only interest in trolling the political thread?

 

[Big_Easy]

who said I thought he should go to jail? you claim you are an attorney. Funny how you like to create falsehoods rather than rely on facts. What I said is he should be held to the exact same standard that everyone else is. What was also said is that people do in fact go to jail for hit and runs in the US. A link was provided that validates that.

Your red hering about age and disabilities factors is exactly that.. more nonsense.. since what was actually said is he should be held accountable to the same standard that others are held to..

My political animus has nothing to do with this.. again, another poor attempt by someone trying to fly falsehoods rather than rely on facts.. the facts remain the same... Pelosi hit a vehicle and left the scene.. that is a crime in the US... Pelosi had some dude in his house that hit him with a hammer.. you attempted to tie the two together claiming his head injury might be a factor.. the fact is I have been clear, I could care less who he hangs around with at 2AM, could care less that he is old, could care less that he might have a head injury (which would keep a responsible man from behind the wheel if it is indeed true).. I have simply said he should be held accountable.. .

What you appear to not like is you attempted to call me out for a lack of knowledge of the US criminal justice system..

@RLD the word you are looking for is called Gaslighting. @mdwest is Gaslighting you. In case you weren't sure, I can confirm this for you. You asked two questions, and he did not answer either, and then in his latest reply he is gaslighting you into believing that he did. He in fact did not. @mdwest; the source you posted contained no information as to how many people are sent to jail for a PDO hit-and-run car crash. None. I read the entire article, it was not there, and does not validate anything. You therefore failed to answer his first question. His second question was in regards to the effect that "disability and age" have on the sentencing...not the charging of, or conviction of an individual for that crime.

You instead chose to post an excerpt from your resume/CV regarding your background with the criminal justice system. At no time did he attempt to "call you out for a lack of knowledge of the US criminal justice system."...I will however do just that. Here's an actual source posted below that describes exactly what @RLD was talking about. Surely someone with your background would know this?

Here is an excerpt for those of you who don't feel like reading the whole document:

"...In the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, Congress directed the Commission to consider whether certain enumerated factors—including a defendant’s age—“have any relevance to the nature, extent, place of service, or other incidents of an appropriate sentence, and shall take them into account only to the extent that they do have relevance.” The Guidelines Manual identifies both age and physical condition as potentially relevant sentencing factors, although it does not define what constitutes “older” or “advanced” age. Specifically, §5H1.1 provides that age “may be relevant in determining whether a departure is warranted, if considerations based on age, individually or in combination with other offender characteristics, are present to an unusual degree and distinguish the case from the typical cases covered by the guidelines.” With respect to older age specifically, §5H1.1 further provides that “[a]ge may be a reason to depart downward in a case in which the defendant is elderly and infirm and where a form of punishment such as home confinement might be equally efficient as and less costly than incarceration.”

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2022/20220726_Older-Offenders.pdf

I eagerly await your apology to @RLD for your DARVO gaslighting.

 

[barryk]

We will NEVER learn that the Iranians can’t be trusted.

Trump gets more intel than we do from sources around him....I don't believe Trump is a fool for Iran. He knows the importance of November elections and high gas prices/public appetite for boots on the ground would not sell well prior to elections....and they are approaching quickly. America has a lot at stake in these elections....if we lose House and/or Senate, we will backslide from where we are now. Trump has been and will be pretty much on his own......Democrat/Marxists and gutless, spineless Republicans to work with (No Save America/Voter ID....just to tough for Republicans to get across goal line) I think we wants to tread water with Iran until November is over....open season after that?

 

[Big_Easy]

Your version of Trump documents is not reality. He could de-classify any document he wants while President. They were secured, locked away with secret service guarding the residence. There is no special requirement. To de-classify. I would suggest that Biden’s documents when he was a senator sitting in his garage and Clinton’s bathroom server are real violations of the law.

There are a few issues with your view of the Trump document's crime. While he can legally declassify them while president, there's no evidence that he actually did. And if all of these documents have been declassified, then why cant we see them all? Why haven't they all been published yet? I mean they are declassified right?

The premise may have been guarded by the secret service, but the bathroom didn't even have an exterior lock on the door. I doubt the cleaning lady has a security clearance that allows her access to such materials. Other Club members may have also had access to the bathroom as well. What clearance if any do they have? Even so, he lied to the FBI about it, and actively obstructed the investigation. Didn't @mdwest just get done saying a "crime is a crime no matter who you are"?

But isn't Biden's garage/home also protected by the secret service? So doesn't that negate your prior point? Same thing with the Clinton's, their home/basement was/is protected by the secret service, isn't that secure enough for you? Since it is a valid argument for Trump?

 

[Brent in Az]

@RLD the word you are looking for is called Gaslighting. @mdwest is Gaslighting you. In case you weren't sure, I can confirm this for you. You asked two questions, and he did not answer either, and then in his latest reply he is gaslighting you into believing that he did. He in fact did not. @mdwest; the source you posted contained no information as to how many people are sent to jail for a PDO hit-and-run car crash. None. I read the entire article, it was not there, and does not validate anything. You therefore failed to answer his first question. His second question was in regards to the effect that "disability and age" have on the sentencing...not the charging of, or conviction of an individual for that crime.

You instead chose to post an excerpt from your resume/CV regarding your background with the criminal justice system. At no time did he attempt to "call you out for a lack of knowledge of the US criminal justice system."...I will however do just that. Here's an actual source posted below that describes exactly what @RLD was talking about. Surely someone with your background would know this?

Here is an excerpt for those of you who don't feel like reading the whole document:

"...In the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, Congress directed the Commission to consider whether certain enumerated factors—including a defendant’s age—“have any relevance to the nature, extent, place of service, or other incidents of an appropriate sentence, and shall take them into account only to the extent that they do have relevance.” The Guidelines Manual identifies both age and physical condition as potentially relevant sentencing factors, although it does not define what constitutes “older” or “advanced” age. Specifically, §5H1.1 provides that age “may be relevant in determining whether a departure is warranted, if considerations based on age, individually or in combination with other offender characteristics, are present to an unusual degree and distinguish the case from the typical cases covered by the guidelines.” With respect to older age specifically, §5H1.1 further provides that “[a]ge may be a reason to depart downward in a case in which the defendant is elderly and infirm and where a form of punishment such as home confinement might be equally efficient as and less costly than incarceration.”

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2022/20220726_Older-Offenders.pdf

I eagerly await your apology to @RLD for your DARVO gaslighting.

Says the gaslighting troll boy......LOL

 

[wesheltonj]

@RLD the word you are looking for is called Gaslighting. @mdwest is Gaslighting you. In case you weren't sure, I can confirm this for you. You asked two questions, and he did not answer either, and then in his latest reply he is gaslighting you into believing that he did. He in fact did not. @mdwest; the source you posted contained no information as to how many people are sent to jail for a PDO hit-and-run car crash. None. I read the entire article, it was not there, and does not validate anything. You therefore failed to answer his first question. His second question was in regards to the effect that "disability and age" have on the sentencing...not the charging of, or conviction of an individual for that crime.

You instead chose to post an excerpt from your resume/CV regarding your background with the criminal justice system. At no time did he attempt to "call you out for a lack of knowledge of the US criminal justice system."...I will however do just that. Here's an actual source posted below that describes exactly what @RLD was talking about. Surely someone with your background would know this?

Here is an excerpt for those of you who don't feel like reading the whole document:

"...In the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, Congress directed the Commission to consider whether certain enumerated factors—including a defendant’s age—“have any relevance to the nature, extent, place of service, or other incidents of an appropriate sentence, and shall take them into account only to the extent that they do have relevance.” The Guidelines Manual identifies both age and physical condition as potentially relevant sentencing factors, although it does not define what constitutes “older” or “advanced” age. Specifically, §5H1.1 provides that age “may be relevant in determining whether a departure is warranted, if considerations based on age, individually or in combination with other offender characteristics, are present to an unusual degree and distinguish the case from the typical cases covered by the guidelines.” With respect to older age specifically, §5H1.1 further provides that “[a]ge may be a reason to depart downward in a case in which the defendant is elderly and infirm and where a form of punishment such as home confinement might be equally efficient as and less costly than incarceration.”

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2022/20220726_Older-Offenders.pdf

I eagerly await your apology to @RLD for your DARVO gaslighting.

So you give us the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 that applies to the FEDERAL SENTENCING GUIDELINES to support your position on what would be a STATE court offenses. Nice try.

Again, when can we expect your hunt reports.

 

[PARA45]

 

[Ontario Hunter]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/07/politics/justice-department-subpoena-2020-election-workers-georgia

Still tilting at the stolen election windmill. Trump lays off 30% of the Park Service to save tax dollars but continues to piss away godzillions on this ridiculous nonsense. Move on, man!

I see the Greenland annexation bullshit has reared it's ugly head again at the NATO summit. Give it up Donald! And now he's threatening to cut off all trade with Spain because they won't let US use Spanish military bases to fight Trump's Folly in the Persian Gulf. Go ahead. How many times can his whimsical trade manipulations get tossed in court before he finally gets the message? Everyone else got the message long ago. His international credibility rating is in the negative numbers.

Someone has theorized Trump is "no fool" re Iranian matters. He's a fool in everything else (e.g. posting images of himself as the Messiah incarnate) so why should Iran be different?

 

[LivingTheDream]

Hey @LivingTheDream , how come you're not holding @Brent in Az to the same journalistic standards that you hold me too on this forum? You know, the one where absolutely no lying, or even an exaggeration is not allowed?

Because I dont care about Paul Pelosi, or whatever that debate is about.

When you say first responders are letting people die and bragging about it, yes I will call you out on that.

But thanks for the omission that you lie and exaggerate in your posts.

 

[LivingTheDream]

So you give us the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 that applies to the FEDERAL SENTENCING GUIDELINES to support your position on what would be a STATE court offenses. Nice try.

Again, when can we expect your hunt reports.

You beat me to it. Remember how upset he got about Federal Sentencing for Marijuana Use, when he said it was state convictions.

I will take a range report or fishing report at this point, as I am pretty sure he doesn't hunt.

 

[Pheroze]

CTV News in Türkiye: Carney says Trump ‘won’ on NATO defence spending, supports Iran strikes

Prime Minister Mark Carney says U.S. President Donald Trump has succeeded in pushing Canada and European allies to spend more on defence, arguing that NATO members increasingly recognize the security threats they face.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[wingshot74]

You beat me to it. Remember how upset he got about Federal Sentencing for Marijuana Use, when he said it was state convictions.

I will take a range report or fishing report at this point, as I am pretty sure he doesn't hunt.

I finally took the advice of putting this d-bag on ignore. Long overdue

 

[Rafiki]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/07/politics/justice-department-subpoena-2020-election-workers-georgia

Still tilting at the stolen election windmill. Trump lays off 30% of the Park Service to save tax dollars but continues to piss away godzillions on this ridiculous nonsense. Move on, man!

.... Blah, blah, blah

I'm really curious about people that spout only negativity; is there anything positive that they can say about our current administration. I'm not asking for yet another personality attack, I'm asking about policy that you view as an achievement; something that in your view was a positive for our country.

This isn't intended to be a gotcha question. I've asked the same of friends that are not in my same camp; their answers are usually enlightening.

 

[jruby]

I'm really curious about people that spout only negativity; is there anything positive that they can say about our current administration. I'm not asking for yet another personality attack, I'm asking about policy that you view as an achievement; something that in your view was a positive for our country.

This isn't intended to be a gotcha question. I've asked the same of friends that are not in my same camp; their answers are usually enlightening.

I think he has some good ideas but piss poor follow through and his ego keeps getting in the way. Fixing the reflecting pool good idea, no bid contract to one of his friends and when it fails he blames it on vandals instead of poor work. IMHO

 

[Rafiki]

I think he has some good ideas but piss poor follow through and his ego keeps getting in the way. Fixing the reflecting pool good idea, no bid contract to one of his friends and when it fails he blames it on vandals instead of poor work. IMHO

So I guess your answer is no, nothing positive has come from this administration. That's fine, your opinion is yours. Kind'a interesting that you picked the reflecting pool as an example.