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One of these interesting clips that may portend things. Dimitry Borisenko is a Russian blogger and journalist who has been supportive of the war against Ukraine since its beginning. However, he and several others seem to have been pushed somewhat over the edge by this latest series of Ukrainian strategic strikes against the infrastructure around Moscow using domestically produced long range drones, the utter failure of the Russian winter and spring offensives, and Ukraine's new operational level strategy of attacking Russian logistics lines of support.

He is careful in this dialogue not to focus blame Putin directly, but to focus his ire on the structure around him. Still, criticism like this would never have been articulated even a year ago.

Putin has become the modern example of the Chinese proverb, "when one rides a tiger, it is difficult to dismount." On the current trajectory, I have no idea how he ends this and remains in power. The Ukrainians have quietly decided that Trump can go to hell. Most of Europe agrees with that sentiment and is largely filling the gap in American supplied weaponry and logistics. More importantly, Ukrainian production, particularly of drones, has gone up dramatically. For instance, they are currently expending 10,000 direct attack drones a day that are largely responsible for the 30 - 35,000 Russian casualties that are occurring monthly at a higher exchange rate against Ukrainian losses at any point in the war. No nation, and certainly no regime, can sustain those sorts of casualties indefinitely. The parallels to 1917 when Tsar Nicholas was caught in a similar military debacle are ever more striking.

 
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My dad found me my first job at 12, bucking hay out of the field and into the loft at a farm down the road. Been working ever since. Kids today are forbade from getting most of the jobs I had from 12-18. Construction companies can't hire them until 18, unless they are the child of an owner. The engineering firm I worked for can no longer hire under 18. I was a janitor at my high school for 2 years; they can't hire students anymore. I was running a jackhammer, packing dynamite, and blowing shit up at 17; you can only do that at 17 today if you join the military (and maybe not even there until 18, lol). Believe cemeteries are requiring 18+ to dig graves these days as well.
Point is, we mollycoddle today's youth. Society wants them to be "safe", so they don't allow them to actually do anything that someone might deem "risky". Some truly would like to see them all bubble wrapped. I, on the other hand, do want kids allowed to be kicked into the workforce at 12-13. Doesn't preclude them continuing an education; the two are not mutually exclusive. Getting a job, experiencing the real world a little, can actually help a teen see why an education is useful and where and how the courses in school are actually used in the real world. Let them work, it's actually good for them.
Btw, one job I have not had is digging coal or hiring others to. I did burn a lot of coal during a short stint working for a blacksmith one summer as a teen....
Must be a Colorado thing. My first 'paying' job was 14 digging out culverts. It took me 8 hours with a shovel to dig out a culvert, then after a few days the backhoe would show up, lift out the old ones and drop the new ones in. I bucked/stacked hay for something like $.07 / bale (split with my little brother who drove the tractor as I did all the lifting since he was 9-10years old. Then at 16 I started doing roustabout work around the gas pipelines in western Colorado/eastern Utah ...

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Grew up in the burbs, but by 14 had a pretty extensive mowing operation at $3 to $5 a yard. Even built a "trailer" out of 3/4 inch plywood and a pair of dismantled roller-skates on which to tow the mower with a bike. Bought my second gun, a Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck, with some of those vast earnings. During high school worked as a carpenter's assistant summers, and during college I guided duck hunters every day of the season (those $20 tips were awesome).
 
Similar story here…

I threw newspapers at 12…worked on a roofing crew a couple of summers from 15-17 mostly just hauling heavy stuff from the truck, up the ladder to the roof… flipped burgers at 16…

I’ve been consistently working since the age of 12… and enjoyed doing it…

It gave me independence (bought my own first BMX bike from that paper route pay), taught me responsibility, and provided a sense of purpose…

I think you have to manage child labor closely to prevent abuse… but… I also think we deprive kids some great life experience and great learning opportunities by not having them work until they’re 18..

All of my kids got jobs as soon as they were legally able to drive and support their own work requirements (16)… I think they are much better for it…
Never said kids shouldn’t work, I grew up on a farm so was working since day 1 and had my first paying job at 13.

What I don’t agree with is that education is only useful up to grade six. Maybe for someone who aspires to be a career private it’s plenty, but a kid who wants to be a doctor or engineer, those HS science and calc courses are an asset.
 
That didn’t last long.

At the same time…

Tell me again how MOU isn’t a win for Iran?
 
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I think that most of us here realize that back in our day, nobody was going to hand you anything. You had to go out and earn it.
When my parents moved us to Tucson in 1973 from the farm country of Southern Minnesota, it was a whole new world. Kinda scary for a kid.
I learned how to do a paper route from the neighbor kid. Answered a magazine add and sold greeting cards door to door. Sold boxes of candy to support the pee wee football team I was on.
That's when I realized I would never have a career as a salesman.....lol.
Sold hotdogs during the U of A football games.
On summer vacation from school we would go back to Minnesota for a time.
Earned $2.00 an hour weeding the uncle's bean field.
A job that was a giant bucket of suck, was detasseling corn fields. Imagine being in the middle of a huge cornfield where you can't see anything. Chopping off the corn tassels in the middle of a humid and sweaty southern Minnesota summer. I only did that once, and never again.
Working summer jobs in high school cleaning up the debris and scrap materials off of residential construction sites in the blazing heat .
Growing up and working with all that diversity/adversity, makes us more appreciative of those dollars we earned.
 
Isn’t it a natural inclination for us parents to want better for our kids than we had? That’s why you aren’t selling them to a roofing crew at 12 amd letting them fully commit to their hobbies instead
 
Isn’t it a natural inclination for us parents to want better for our kids than we had? That’s why you aren’t selling them to a roofing crew at 12 amd letting them fully commit to their hobbies instead

On the inverse side of the same coin couldn’t that be seen as the problem not giving children the same adversities to over come and life experiences and yet expecting them to turn out the same as we did? Hard to breed conservatives when you raise them like liberals.
 
Isn’t it a natural inclination for us parents to want better for our kids than we had? That’s why you aren’t selling them to a roofing crew at 12 amd letting them fully commit to their hobbies instead
I think it may very well be natural, but I also firmly believe such parenting creates an expectation and dependency mindset that we are seeing playing out daily before our eyes. Only in the richest nation on the planet could spoiled and dependent urbanites, rather than the destitute and disenfranchised, champion democratic socialism.
 
Grew up in the burbs, but by 14 had a pretty extensive mowing operation at $3 to $5 a yard. Even built a "trailer" out of 3/4 inch plywood and a pair of dismantled roller-skates on which to tow the mower with a bike. Bought my second gun, a Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck, with some of those vast earnings. During high school worked as a carpenter's assistant summers, and during college I guided duck hunters every day of the season (those $20 tips were awesome).

The earnings must have been vast. A model 12 heavy duck was never a "cheap" shotgun.
 
On the inverse side of the same coin couldn’t that be seen as the problem not giving children the same adversities to over come and life experiences and yet expecting them to turn out the same as we did? Hard to breed conservatives when you raise them like liberals.
I think it may very well be natural, but I also firmly believe such parenting creates an expectation and dependency mindset that we are seeing playing out daily before our eyes. Only in the richest nation on the planet could spoiled and dependent urbanites, rather than the destitute and disenfranchised, champion democratic socialism.
I don’t think anyone has the answer, and I also think there is a one size fits all solution. We can only do the best we can and what we believe is right! Do kids need to be raised in a bubble? Absolutely not, but completely throwing them to the wolves might not be the answer either.

I’ll get back to you in 15 years when my boys are in their 20’s to see how they’ve turned out. My 9 year old was helping me shovel 2” limestone without being asked yesterday so I think we are on track.
 
On the inverse side of the same coin couldn’t that be seen as the problem not giving children the same adversities to over come and life experiences and yet expecting them to turn out the same as we did? Hard to breed conservatives when you raise them like liberals.
What did Churchill say about young conservatives…..
 
I don’t think anyone has the answer, and I also think there is a one size fits all solution. We can only do the best we can and what we believe is right! Do kids need to be raised in a bubble? Absolutely not, but completely throwing them to the wolves might not be the answer either.

I’ll get back to you in 15 years when my boys are in their 20’s to see how they’ve turned out. My 9 year old was helping me shovel 2” limestone without being asked yesterday so I think we are on track.

I'm a bit ahead of you on "the journey" but I can tell you its never been harder to turn children into well-oriented, capable adults.

The things we didn't deal with:

1.) Teenagers used to be heroic and admired for having jobs. I remember as a kid the most prestigious teen jobs were at McD's or getting the summer lifeguard gig. (A famous tourism town) Today, kids are teased and shunned by peers for being "poor" and having to have a job. It's sickeningly warped. We used to live in a fairly prestigious Chicago suburb (e.g. we did have a few billionaires in town) and most of the kids found work objectionable. It is somewhat better, but not even 50% employment in our very poor rural area we now reside.

2.) Finding a job is harder at present. With the insufferable labyrinth of work permits, time restrictions, and hour caps employers don't want to deal with it. Child labor laws have ruined a generation and robbed them of valuable skills that every 18 year old already achieved 25 years ago.

3.) Keeping a job is harder than ever. My kids and their friends are the "high flyer" types looking for major college scholarships, are class presidents, Honor role, etc. The local fast-food restaurants are the only employers around and they hired exclusively honor-roll type kids because its rural and they can be very discriminating. Even then, the fast food restaurants were telling the kids they needed to cancel sports, honors, and extra curriculars and "take their minimum wage jobs more seriously". They fired my kids and most of their cohorts after multiple promotions because they decided to hire illegal labor that can work longer hours and shifts prohibited by law for the kids. Naturally, ICE raided the local area and shipped off all the illegals, shuttering many restaurants for months. All the kids got called back to work and reinstated but it certainly left a sour taste in the mouths of the employees and the pro-ICE parents. Ironically, the illegals are back in smaller quantities and I'm seeing less of the locals working each week because of it.

We did not deal with these societal issues when we were teenagers. If you wanted to work, you worked. You could do construction that was dangerous (I did) and that was just fine. You could do the bank deposits before you were 18 and the employer was satisfied. (I did) You could operate the grill or be a gopher on a job site back then, but you cannot do so today.

Best dad advice I can give you: Create an LLC and hire your kids for meaningful work at low wages when they are very young. Force them to save most of their earnings from 8-13. Encourage them to get a job somewhere else when they turn 14, but be patient and understanding as it is not easy to find employment for teenagers in many regions. Get them attuned to a STEM field or a skilled trade by the time they are 18 so they waste no time dawdling.
 
What did Churchill say about young conservatives…..

You’ll have to enlighten me a cursory google search only brings up a falsely attributed quote actually spoken by a university professor.
 
MOU’s are only good if both parties are trying to put a real deal together. In the case of America and Iran the executed MOU is probably worthless. Iran has repeatedly shown they don’t abide by the things they sign.

Both parties have overriding needs. America has the midterms. Iran is out of cash and needs to pay the IRGC, Basij and others who are keeping the government afloat. It may be a long time before Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi’s etc start receiving meaningful funds.

The war is at the point of an uneasy standoff. If ships are sailing through the strait then Trump is probably good with an Iran that has lost its ability to threaten with nukes and has a highly degraded military. Iran has saved face in showing the world they stood up to Trump and the evil empire. The gulf states aren’t happy but will be able to recover much faster than Iran. It will probably take Iran well over ten years to start playing the part of regional bully again. Who knows. They may even decide it isn’t worth the effort as the elders are replaced with a new generation that may want to take the country in a different direction.

I’m not too concerned about any of the points in the MOU being honored, because I doubt they will be. Just as I have my doubts a peace deal will actually be signed and certainly not abided by.
 
You’ll have to enlighten me a cursory google search only brings up a falsely attributed quote actually spoken by a university professor.
Well I’ll be jiggered
 

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