Politics

[Wheels]

Im sure Obama registered for the draft when he entered college.. pretty much every university in the US required it at registration in the late 70's and 80's...

but thats not what Ontario Hunter said... what OH said was Obama drew a good number and therefore wasnt drafted...

which is clearly bullshit.. since no numbers were being drawn by the time Obama became 18...

I find it telling that he uses the term “good lottery number”. I came of age just after the Vietnam War. No one in my sphere of contacts ever used the term good. They used low, high or would state their number if they were in the middle. Perhaps other parts of the country used “good” but I have never heard it in this context prior to today.

The lottery was televised. A family with an eligible kid gathered around the tv and watched.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Wait he was now a professor and had politically connected students that he had to pass.

Go to the 42 second mark.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

how about you keep OH and send us Tricia Helfer... or.. if she isnt available I can probably come up with a couple of other options that are reasonable.. .

you get to keep his brilliant business mind... and we get to keep the boobies..

I might not be a brilliant business Mind but I know a shit deal when I see one…

 

[Goopy]

and what does this have to do with anything?

assuming Trump has done this... that makes him even more like you since you claim this is something you have done...

For what its worth, what you are describing is COMMON... I had a good friend (now passed away) that received a bachelors degree after only taking 2 years of classes.. he clepped his way through 2 years of classes while he was still serving on active duty in the USMC..

he demonstrated that he had the knowledge required to pass the class without sitting in the class itself... what difference does it make if he sat in front of a professor or not? he had the required knowledge..

the CLEP program was first introduced in 1965... its been around a long time.. there are 1700 CLEP exam facilities in the US and more than 2000 worldwide today.. Almost every regionally accredited university in the US accepts CLEP credits to one degree or another... If you are the PhD that you claim to be and actually taught at the university level, you'd know this..

universities also give course credit for military experience.. I got out of a handful of classes because of my DD214..

so what?

Are you ignorant enough to believe that me getting credit for classes I never sat through despite meeting all of the universities requirements negates any of my 4 degrees?

The CLEP program is a godsend for those of us that didn’t have the option of traditional university for undergraduate education. I was too busy fighting in a major war, followed by various regional conflicts and police actions to be fortunate enough to go the “sitting in the ivy covered halls” route. Thank god for non traditional paths of education! To further that, my graduate degree programs, two of them undertaken and completed, were while working as a homicide detective in one of the world’s most conducive murder environments- once again, non traditional programs carried the day!
Nothing was given to me, I worked my Scots Irish hillbilly ass off for my education.

 

[Killingtime]

I don't recall any of those men declaring themselves to be geniuses. Obviously, if Mr. Gatto was able to speak with authority on the GPA of those individuals, they gave access to their scholastic records. Mediocre maybe, but nothing to be ashamed of. Trump on the other hand ... ???

Joseph Stalin was one of the most powerful men in modern history. A peasant with almost no education and by all accounts stupid as a sack of hammers. Yet there he was controlling half the world. Only proves that even a dumbass bonehead moron in the right place at the right time can do a whole lot of wrong for a very long time. Stalin maintained control by keeping his goons in fear of each other and the secret police. Purges were his lifeline distraction. Sound familiar? We call it "weaponization" today. Or "draining the swamp."

My point sir was that grades do not matter as a measure of success nearly as much as people would have you believe.
The titans of almost every industry in every century have largely been self educated.

And while I am not a fan of communism Stalin was definitely intelligent..Churchill said when he met him it was like being locked in a room with a wolf. Interesting observation coming from a man who’s lack of fear of German air raid was displayed by him walking around London smoking a cigars while air raids were coming.

 

[mdwest]

The CLEP program is a godsend for those of us that didn’t have the option of traditional university for undergraduate education. I was too busy fighting in a major war, followed by various regional conflicts and police actions to be fortunate enough to go the “sitting in the ivy covered halls” route. Thank god for non traditional paths of education! To further that, my graduate degree programs, two of them undertaken and completed, were while working as a homicide detective in one of the world’s most conducive murder environments- once again, non traditional programs carried the day!
Nothing was given to me, I worked my Scots Irish hillbilly ass off for my education.

wait... dont say that sort of thing to OH... he's going to remind you that he is a disabled vet despite never serving in combat (yes.. that happens... but is rarely anything any actual disabled vet brags about repetitively... especially around other vets).. and that he is intelectually superior to you because he got his PhD after only clepping 1 course.. therefore he is right about Trump.. the donald doesnt deserve his degree and neither do you!

 

[Ontario Hunter]

and what does this have to do with anything?

assuming Trump has done this... that makes him even more like you since you claim this is something you have done...

For what its worth, what you are describing is COMMON... I had a good friend (now passed away) that received a bachelors degree after only taking 2 years of classes.. he clepped his way through 2 years of classes while he was still serving on active duty in the USMC..

he demonstrated that he had the knowledge required to pass the class without sitting in the class itself... what difference does it make if he sat in front of a professor or not? he had the required knowledge..

the CLEP program was first introduced in 1965... its been around a long time.. there are 1700 CLEP exam facilities in the US and more than 2000 worldwide today.. Almost every regionally accredited university in the US accepts CLEP credits to one degree or another... If you are the PhD that you claim to be and actually taught at the university level, you'd know this..

universities also give course credit for military experience.. I got out of a handful of classes because of my DD214..

so what?

Are you ignorant enough to believe that me getting credit for classes I never sat through despite meeting all of the universities requirements negates any of my 4 degrees?

It's all about marketing degrees these days. Some universities are more amenable to accepting those extension course credits than others. And some employers are less inclined to accept them.

In the past the problem with extension courses has always been validating that the enrolled student was actually doing the work. Anyone could be writing the paper for him or doing his assignments. Compare to how I ran my in class seminars. Student shows up he/she gets 50% for just filling a seat. But 50% won't pass. If the student says anything pertinent he can get another 15%. If the student tries to derail, he loses points. He demonstrates he's done the reading with thoughtful debate, grade goes up correspondingly. And I occasionally gave unannounced pop quizzes on readings which always included an extra credit question or two. Quiz was the grade for that seminar. If you missed class, you essentially missed a chance for extra credit. It was pretty much impossible for someone else to be doing the student's assignments.

Zoom and the internet has obviously changed things dramatically re extension courses. I suspect extension courses may become more accepted by universities and employers. And for good reason. However during Trump's time at university (only slightly before my time at university), extension courses were generally viewed with suspicion.

 

[Brent in Az]

Don’t know if this is correct or not but I read the fires in Belfast targeted the buildings and vehicles of the NGO’s that were supporting the immigrants.

Belfast victim Stephen Ogilvie.

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Is that dude dead, or just FUBAR?

 

[Tanks]

The public is Donald Trump's employer. Is the public not entitled to check his credentials?

The only credential for POTUS is getting a majority of electoral votes. A degree is not required. Heck, Truman did not have a college degree.

Is it possible to get a grade for a university course without attending?

As you stated yes. I got credit and tested out for 2 years of college math and physics because I got my A levels in Pure Math and Physics. My A levels in English did help as much as an engineering major all one needed were 6 credits. I took a course on Milton and SciFi because I wanted to.

 

[Wheels]

Is that dude dead, or just FUBAR?

Alive. He is evidently mentally challenged. One eye was removed and evidently he was blinded in the other eye. The Somali tried to cut off his head with a pocket knife.

 

[Hunt anything]

@Goopy , a Scots Irish Hillbilly! With that lineage I bet you were Hell on wheels in combat! Thank you sir!

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

“Joseph Stalin was one of the most powerful men in modern history. A peasant with almost no education and by all accounts stupid as a sack of hammers. Yet there he was controlling half the world. Only proves that even a dumbass bonehead moron in the right place at the right time can do a whole lot of wrong for a very long time.”

It took only a few minutes of research to find that this is almost entirely false. Stalin did receive a childhood education that he apparently excelled at and even attended a seminary in 1894 on a scholarship where he received high marks until he lost interest and left. While perhaps not an intellectual, he was an autodidact who continued learning and reading his entire life. He kept a library of over 20,000 books and had a keen interest in the arts.

None of this is meant to glorify Stalin. He was certainly a monster but intelligence and cruelty have never been mutually exclusive.

I’m somewhat shocked that such an egregiously inaccurate statement could have come from someone claiming to be a student of history.

Ironically, in spite of OH attempting to draw comparisons between Trump and Stalin, it only shows how they contrast. Stalin came from humble roots and was self made. He came to power through cunning political machinations and hated public appearances. On the other hand Trump had a life of privilege and came to power, democratically mind you, because of his appeal as a celebrity. It’s just so silly.

 

[Ray B]

the clown wants to live in Canada to get free health care and the rest of the socialist perks but he maintains US citizenship as a requirement to receive his federal retirement. He reminds me of people that I have know whom needed to have been about 200 years old to have done everything thy claimed to have done. I really only have one question for him: Is that a photo of him peeking through the hole? I ask because then we can process the facial identity software.

 

[1dirthawker]

Why would Obama draw a good number for the draft? He was born in 1961. That would make him 18 in 1979 and I don’t believe the draft was going on at that time.

i was born in 1960, i did not have access to the draft, so pretty sure obama didn't either.

 

[mdwest]

It's all about marketing degrees these days. Some universities are more amenable to accepting those extension course credits than others. And some employers are less inclined to accept them.

In the past the problem with extension courses has always been validating that the enrolled student was actually doing the work. Anyone could be writing the paper for him or doing his assignments. Compare to how I ran my in class seminars. Student shows up he/she gets 50% for just filling a seat. But 50% won't pass. If the student says anything pertinent he can get another 15%. If the student tries to derail, he loses points. He demonstrates he's done the reading with thoughtful debate, grade goes up correspondingly. And I occasionally gave unannounced pop quizzes on readings which always included an extra credit question or two. Quiz was the grade for that seminar. If you missed class, you essentially missed a chance for extra credit. It was pretty much impossible for someone else to be doing the student's assignments.

Zoom and the internet has obviously changed things dramatically re extension courses. I suspect extension courses may become more accepted by universities and employers. And for good reason. However during Trump's time at university (only slightly before my time at university), extension courses were generally viewed with suspicion.

youre demonstrating your ignorance of the CLEP program.... and your ignorance of the job market...

CLEP involved proctored exams administered in controlled testing centers where the student provides state or federal identification prior to being allowed to sit for the exam..

its literally easier to cheat on an exam administered in a university classroom by the professor than it is to cheat on a CLEP exam unless the professor is requiring each student to positively identify themselves at the beginning of every exam (something I have never experienced in 10 years of cumulative university studies)..

Zoom has zero to do with test integrity since no university I am aware of uses it for testing or course administration.. universities have their own platforms for course delivery online.. most are based on a couple of university specific commercial software packages... Most brick and mortar universities these days dont even have the professors administer their own exams when the courses are delivered in the classroom... students go to controlled testing centers on the campus and take proctored exams... most entirely online degrees dont involve testing.. they instead involve papers and other written assignments and projects that are submitted to the professor(s)... and when they do require a test they are administered through varous online controlled protoring software packages..

At this point most employers dont care if a degree was obtained entirely online or entirely on campus or if they got their degree through a hybrid model... ABA now accepts online learning for juris doctor degrees.. the top tier MBA accrediting organizations like AACSB and others accept online learning... every regional accrediting institution now accepts online learning ... none of them distinguish between students degrees obtained in the classroom, online, or hybird..

I'd challenge you to find me 10x students that have graduated from a brick and mortar university in the last 5 years that hasnt taken at least a handful of online courses as part of their degree program, even if they live on campus as a full time student... online is the model that practically every brick and mortar school in the world adopted after COVID... The Ivy Leagues now offer online classes as part of their degree programs.. Harvard offers a masters in business through its extension school that is presented entirely online.. law students at Harvard take courses online as part of their JD program, etc.. Ive got a daughter that just graduated from Lousiana State University in December.. she lived in Baton Rouge for 4 years and was a "traditional" brick and mortar student.. she took several classes online.. I have another daughter that is a junior at the University of Arkansas.. she lives on campus.. she too has taken online courses as part of her degree program...

If someone presents a bachelors of science from the University of Michigan, University of Montana, Harvard, or Yale, its almost guaranteed that at least a few, if not many, or potentially ALL of their course work was done OUTSIDE of a classroom these days... and the employer isnt going to know which classes were delivered online or in person because the transcripts do not differentiate nor do the diplomas..

your own claimed alma mater offers no less than 4 doctoral degrees that are compoletely online and dozens of graduate degrees, dozens of bachelors degree, and countless certificate programs, etc..

University of Montana Online Programs | University of Montana Academic Catalog

catalog.umt.edu

 

[jruby]

Since I have a VA claim and a percentage of disability that I acquired while I was on active duty does that make me a disabled veteran? If so I never thought of it in those terms before
Never really wanted anything from the service and got as far away from the service as I could.when I was discharged
.

 

[mdwest]

Since I have a VA claim and a percentage of disability that I acquired while I was on active duty does that make me a disabled veteran? If so I never thought of it in those terms before
Never really wanted anything from the service and got as far away from the service as I could.when I was discharged
.

most likely you would be considered a service disabled vet...

these days almost everyone coming out of the military has some measure of disability.. any rating at all between 1-100%, as long as the disability is connected to service and the rating comes from the VA counts as a "disability"...

at the state level certain "benefits" are extended dependent on the level of disability.. for example in Texas if you have a disability rating of 50% or greater the state will give you a free hunting license (whether you are a resident or non resident)... so, assuming someone has a VA 25% rating, they would be a "service disabled veteran", but not qualify for certain benefits that require a higher rating... it also takes a 50% rating to get "disabled veteran" car tags (at no cost), etc..etc.. but it only takes a 10% rating to get veterans preference points when applying for a state job.. etc..

folks from my generation rarely claimed a disability when they got out unless they were legitimately injured to the extent that it would effect their ability to work in a civilian capacity.. even if they went through the VA process and got a rating, it was generally ignored and the service member just went about life and never really thought about it much again... which is one of the reasons OH's claim of being a service disabled veteran has been questioned several times... back in the day unless you got seriously injured you simply didnt seek a rating.. and if you did, you certainly didnt tout it to others.. it simply wasnt part of the culture...

the current generation is very different.. they are very much encouraged to go through the process, get a rating (again, almost everyone qualifies for something no matter what your job was.... tinnitus alone is a 10% rating I think..)... Its honestly not that hard to rack up a 50% or greater rating if you even just served 4 years in a combat arms role... most infantrymen are going to have a jacked up back with some compressed discs, busted up ankles and knees, tinnitus, etc..etc.. this is especially true after a guy does multiple deployment to war zones during a 20+ year war period... it is very much part of the culture of the current military... where it was somewhat frowned upon for guys to go get a disability rating unless they were pretty severely jacked up in my day, in todays army youre considered a bit of a dumbass if you dont seek a rating upon leaving the military since almost everyone qualifies to one degree or another..

 

[wesheltonj]

Another New World Screw Worm post.

My hunting property is now in the surveillance zone. TPWD called me today to ask if they could put traps and release flies on my property. Of course the answer was yes.

Allegedly, below is a fawn in Kerr County that was infected. This was from Lone Star Outdoor News.

 

[Red Leg]

Since I have a VA claim and a percentage of disability that I acquired while I was on active duty does that make me a disabled veteran? If so I never thought of it in those terms before
Never really wanted anything from the service and got as far away from the service as I could.when I was discharged
.

But it is the way someone thinks about it who never served a day in combat while an E4 MP on his single enlistment in Korea. It is frankly a self-indulgent pathos, and this is a poor audience among whom to flaunt that nonsense.

 

[LivingTheDream]

most likely you would be considered a service disabled vet...

these days almost everyone coming out of the military has some measure of disability.. any rating at all between 1-100%, as long as the disability is connected to service and the rating comes from the VA counts as a "disability"...

at the state level certain "benefits" are extended dependent on the level of disability.. for example in Texas if you have a disability rating of 50% or greater the state will give you a free hunting license (whether you are a resident or non resident)... so, assuming someone has a VA 25% rating, they would be a "service disabled veteran", but not qualify for certain benefits that require a higher rating... it also takes a 50% rating to get "disabled veteran" car tags (at no cost), etc..etc.. but it only takes a 10% rating to get veterans preference points when applying for a state job.. etc..

folks from my generation rarely claimed a disability when they got out unless they were legitimately injured to the extent that it would effect their ability to work in a civilian capacity.. even if they went through the VA process and got a rating, it was generally ignored and the service member just went about life and never really thought about it much again... which is one of the reasons OH's claim of being a service disabled veteran has been questioned several times... back in the day unless you got seriously injured you simply didnt seek a rating.. and if you did, you certainly didnt tout it to others.. it simply wasnt part of the culture...

the current generation is very different.. they are very much encouraged to go through the process, get a rating (again, almost everyone qualifies for something no matter what your job was.... tinnitus alone is a 10% rating I think..)... Its honestly not that hard to rack up a 50% or greater rating if you even just served 4 years in a combat arms role... most infantrymen are going to have a jacked up back with some compressed discs, busted up ankles and knees, tinnitus, etc..etc.. this is especially true after a guy does multiple deployment to war zones during a 20+ year war period... it is very much part of the culture of the current military... where it was somewhat frowned upon for guys to go get a disability rating unless they were pretty severely jacked up in my day, in todays army youre considered a bit of a dumbass if you dont seek a rating upon leaving the military since almost everyone qualifies to one degree or another..

I didn't serve but a lot of my guys did, or they are still serving in the reserves. I 100% encourage them to get the whatever disability benefit they can and connect them with people who know the process.