Politics

[skydiver386]

The policy justification for taxing diesel higher is that gas taxes fund the highway trust fund which is what funds interstate construction. Diesel trucks out much more wear on the road per mile than passenger vehicles. So the theory is that that they should pay more because they are putting more wear on the road.

Exactly.

The average gasoline powered vehicle is probably 3,000-5,000 pounds.

Light duty diesel trucks are often 14,500 pounds.

Heavy diesel trucks with a 53ft trailer can go 80,000 pounds.

The wear on roadways, bridges, etc., is far more than lighter gasoline powered vehicles.

 

[Big_Easy]

Load of socialist left Dem BS.

Do you even know what socialism is? Its a simple calc to work out. MPGsxDistancexTax, then divide that into the weight hauled.
Example: 6mpgx500milesx0.20centsextra/gal =
$600 per load. 45,000lbs/load = 0.0133$/lb.
Thats 1.3 cents per pound extra. For a 75lb big screen tv its $1 increase in its cost to consumer. Even if you double that cost for the boat trip from china its only $2 per tv. Insignificant in the grand scheme of things when that tv costs 500-1000$.

 

[Big_Easy]

Exactly.

The average gasoline powered vehicle is probably 3,000-5,000 pounds.

Light duty diesel trucks are often 14,500 pounds.

Heavy diesel trucks with a 53ft trailer can go 80,000 pounds.

The wear on roadways, bridges, etc., is far more than lighter gasoline powered vehicles.

Correct, the damage to pavements increases exponentially with weight. An 80k pound truck is 1400-3000 times more damaging to the roadway than a passenger car or light-duty truck. If anything, the taxes should be even higher for trucks.

 

[Aaron N]

You may find this hard to believe, but some guys who run oil refineries truly care about their people and don’t want them to get hurt.

At an individual level I have no doubt and never stated that they don’t.

 

[steve white]

I am not worried about the cost to ship a TV to a store. I am concerned about the cost of food, and the fact that diesel is used to plow under, then plant, then harvest, then haul to process, then haul to to those who then produce the end product, then haul to warehouses, then haul to stores. I anyone doesn't think higher prices for diesel during Biden didn't contribute to inflation in food prices, well, I have some swamp land I might like to sell them.

Concerning the rising tide lifting all boats....lowering corporate taxes has never failed to do just that. And not just in America's business history--look for what it once did for Ireland. The ONLY thing that destroys the gains made are the inevitable increases in entitlements, which then DO destroy an economy and put nations in debt. And how the politicians love to enrich themselves along the way! The best way I would improve things is to DOGE the heck out of everything the government touches! Corruption is a large driver of our indebtedness, IMO

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Well, in very simple terms, corporations are responsible to their shareholders, whereas unions have a lock on dues from their members, whether those members agree with their lobbied causes or not.

Oh, on a completely different subject (and this is for everyone, not directed towards you), and just because I'm feeling pedantic on a Sunday morning: For gosh sakes, one TOES the line, one does not tow a line anywhere. I mean, it's right there, in pitch on the deck. You're not towing it anywhere!

Dang I did use tow didn’t I?

 

[Russ16]

I am not worried about the cost to ship a TV to a store. I am concerned about the cost of food, and the fact that diesel is used to plow under, then plant, then harvest, then haul to process, then haul to to those who then produce the end product, then haul to warehouses, then haul to stores. I anyone doesn't think higher prices for diesel during Biden didn't contribute to inflation in food prices, well, I have some swamp land I might like to sell them.

Concerning the rising tide lifting all boats....lowering corporate taxes has never failed to do just that. And not just in America's business history--look for what it once did for Ireland. The ONLY thing that destroys the gains made are the inevitable increases in entitlements, which then DO destroy an economy and put nations in debt. And how the politicians love to enrich themselves along the way! The best way I would improve things is to DOGE the heck out of everything the government touches! Corruption is a large driver of our indebtedness, IMO

Farm diesel is untaxed. They dye it so that they can confirm if untaxed diesel is being used on the highway. So the tax doesn't impact food production other than the trucking cost.

 

[Tanks]

Nothing will change until this country drops It’s adherence to shareholder value theory…absolutely nothing. It’s the main reason why I no longer vote Republican, they’ve completely abandoned the workers of this country in favor of the wealthy ruling class.

You know most retirement funds etc. are shareholders in large corporations. Also, without adherence to shareholder value no one would invest in corporations. If you want the corporations solely serve the workers, form a co-op.

@WAB spelled it out quite succinctly in pointing out the onerous added costs that CA forces on gasoline and diesel with CA specific CARB regulations, amongst others. Ignorance, or folly, of the CA voters has allowed CA legislation demanding higher and higher levels of compliance that have forced oil companies to begin closing refineries.

Don't forget the CA legislature also underestimates costs. Back in 1994 when emissions monitoring and emission credit trading was implemented the estimated cost to refineries was $60M for the LA basin. We implemented El Segundo refinery (cost ~$30M) and Phillips which closed recently ($25M) and Powerine Oil which also closed ($7M). You have Mobil etc. out there and a whole slew of smaller facilities.

 

[Tbitty]

I am not worried about the cost to ship a TV to a store. I am concerned about the cost of food, and the fact that diesel is used to plow under, then plant, then harvest, then haul to process, then haul to to those who then produce the end product, then haul to warehouses, then haul to stores. I anyone doesn't think higher prices for diesel during Biden didn't contribute to inflation in food prices, well, I have some swamp land I might like to sell them.

There is a difference in diesel being used for road use and other use. Road diesel is taxed and has an additive that can be checked to see if the wrong type is being used for driving on roadways. This puts the tax to the appropriate users.

 

[Tbitty]

Farm diesel is untaxed. They dye it so that they can confirm if untaxed diesel is being used on the highway. So the tax doesn't impact food production other than the trucking cost.

Guess I should have read a couple more posts before replying

 

[spike.t]

I'll tell you who he is...

View attachment 751652

I wonder if it will be that easy ......

Iran’s shadowy new supreme leader will see US as an implacable enemy

Mojtaba Khamenei is unlikely to offer an olive branch to Donald Trump

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[spike.t]

Maybe not....

 

[Brent in Az]

A recent poll shows favorability of the Democrat party is around 30%
37% percent favorability for Republicans.
I'm surprised either one is that high.

 

[Brent in Az]

Going back to 1996, I bought my first diesel truck. A Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 extended cab. It was the best truck on the lot.
I didn't really need a diesel, but diesel fuel at that time was cheaper then unleaded, and I figured with the longevity of diesel engines, I could get more bang for the buck overall.
Shortly thereafter, diesel fuel prices increased above unleaded. I wasn't happy. ..lol

 

[pilar]

Farm diesel is untaxed. They dye it so that they can confirm if untaxed diesel is being used on the highway. So the tax doesn't impact food production other than the trucking cost.

Yes it’s untaxed , I used to run it in my diesel 3/4 ton everywhere , it would kinda equal out the taxes we paid on gasoline for marine/boat fuel ( the government wants us to pay for taxed gas on the water then file for a refund from state & federal fuel tax, and it’s a bureaucratic nightmare trying)

 

[skydiver386]

Highway Diesel is dyed green, Off Highway Diesel is dyed red.

 

[Red Leg]

Tax cuts for the rich simply do not trickle down to the rest of us, and shareholder value theory is destroying this country‘s middle class.

Do you even realize that was spoken like a Marxist? Corporations succeed or fail because of their perceived value to the shareholder. No shareholders, no corporation, and no jobs for all those noble selfless employees - middle class or blue collar.

Also, do you honestly believe a corporate tax cut is really "for the rich?" I know Democrats and the Neo-socialists say this so much it has become part of their dogma, but explain to me like I am a six-grader. Having been involved in that corporate thing a bit, a tax cut for the corporation benefits - well - the corporation. It makes the enterprise more profitable, increases investment (share holder value) and thus more likely to invest resources in this country than another where rates are lower. It also means it can be more competitive in this country and globally. That results in more and better jobs to address that greater opportunity set. Employees, consumers, and the tax base all benefit. Yes, because things like compensation are tied to corporate performance, the CEO and the company officers will share, along with employees, in that success.

Democrats oppose such tax cuts because they believe it cuts immediate revenue that they can use for just about everyone except the middle class. Capitalists believe such cuts increase business tempo, profits and thus revenues. A condition where all profit. Heavy tax burdens force companies to off-shore labor to remain competitive. That is a situation where just about everyone loses eventually.

To be fair, there are market strategies that are implemented by corporations to purely enhance stock value to investors. These are buy-back strategies and splits. The first is the most open to legitimate criticism. Resources that could be exploited in new research, plant, work force improvement, or product line is instead spent recovering stock. It is done primarily because everyone does it, and everyone needs to remain competitive.

 

[spike.t]

So worse than his father...not great for the Iranian people if he survives....

Iranians deeply divided over Mojtaba Khamenei's rise to power

While pro-establishment crowds celebrate Khamenei's appointment as his father's successor, others believe it signals no change to how Iran is ruled.

www.bbc.com

 

[R.N.L]

Low Corporation tax has been very beneficial for the Irish economy.

 

[Brent in Az]

Do you even realize that was spoken like a Marxist? Corporations succeed or fail because of their perceived value to the shareholder. No shareholders, no corporation, and no jobs for all those noble selfless employees - middle class or blue collar.

Also, do you honestly believe a corporate tax cut is really "for the rich?" I know Democrats and the Neo-socialists say this so much it has become part of their dogma, but explain to me like I am a six-grader. Having been involved in that corporate thing a bit, a tax cut for the corporation benefits - well - the corporation. It makes the enterprise more profitable, increases investment (share holder value) and thus more likely to invest resources in this country than another where rates are lower. It also means it can be more competitive in this country and globally. That results in more and better jobs to address that greater opportunity set. Employees, consumers, and the tax base all benefit. Yes, because things like compensation are tied to corporate performance, the CEO and the company officers will share, along with employees, in that success.

Democrats oppose such tax cuts because they believe it cuts immediate revenue that they can use for just about everyone except the middle class. Capitalists believe such cuts increase business tempo, profits and thus revenues. A condition where all profit. Heavy tax burdens force companies to off-shore labor to remain competitive. That is a situation where just about everyone loses eventually.

To be fair, there are market strategies that are implemented by corporations to purely enhance stock value to investors. These are buy-back strategies and splits. The first is the most open to legitimate criticism. Resources that could be exploited in new research, plant, work force improvement, or product line is instead spent recovering stock. It is done primarily because everyone does it, and everyone needs to remain competitive.

Well......he did say he no longer votes Republican.