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[John Wasmuth]

I get that youre an old fart and likely unaware of whats happening in the real world of education these days... but..

I would imagine that you are aware that Harvard, Penn, Columbia, Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale, Stanford, Duke, Georgetown, and MANY other top tier universities now offer online degrees? and many of them have for better than a decade? Most of them offer masters programs that are entirely online.. a few now offer PhD and professional terminal degrees entirely online.. and almost all of them are working toward adding even more masters and PhD programs online..

its this thing called technology and advancement... if Harvard can embrace it.. perhaps you should consider it...

Or perhaps Harvard (and the others) arent credible in your eyes?

Most state/public universities have offered online degrees for the better part of the last 20 years...

These are all regionally accredited and undergo the exact same scrutiny as their in-residence programs.. they are not pay-to-play universities with national or distance ed accreditation..

If you dont care for US educational institutions, we can look at Canadian schools.. McGill, Queens, Thompson Rivers, Fredericton, Athabasca and others offer online degrees..

And don’t forget Sal Goodman’s Alma Mater

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Regarding Miller... what a pretentious moron.

White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller, an architect of Trump’s mass deportation effort, went further on X, declaring Pretti “an assassin.”

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

You aren't supporting the anti Trumper with frozen snot on his face?

Let me be clear.........looks played no role whatsoever.........

 

[jeanes]

I get that youre an old fart and likely unaware of whats happening in the real world of education these days... but..

I would imagine that you are aware that Harvard, Penn, Columbia, Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Yale, Stanford, Duke, Georgetown, and MANY other top tier universities now offer online degrees? and many of them have for better than a decade? Most of them offer masters programs that are entirely online.. a few now offer PhD and professional terminal degrees entirely online.. and almost all of them are working toward adding even more masters and PhD programs online..

its this thing called technology and advancement... if Harvard can embrace it.. perhaps you should consider it...

Or perhaps Harvard (and the others) arent credible in your eyes?

Most state/public universities have offered online degrees for the better part of the last 20 years...

These are all regionally accredited and undergo the exact same scrutiny as their in-residence programs.. they are not pay-to-play universities with national or distance ed accreditation..

If you dont care for US educational institutions, we can look at Canadian schools.. McGill, Queens, Thompson Rivers, Fredericton, Athabasca and others offer online degrees..

I don't see the gentleman from Ontario's postings but I do see the responses. To add my 2 cents, My son got his masters in finance on line from U of H while holding down a full time job. One of my grandsons will do this whole next semester as an undergraduate on line. My other grandson has many on line courses at U of H. I believe that this is the future of higher education and perhaps secondary education as well.

 

[BJH65]

As we all know, online courses are notorious for lacking credibility. It is often impossible to ascertain if the students are actually turning in their own work or somebody else doing it for them. I think the fact that Noem attempted degree programs at various other schools, failed to complete them, and only received her diploma online kinda speaks for itself. Prospective employers rarely give much credence to online degrees listed on resumes. There are good reasons. Personally, I think I would be more inclined to hire someone with just a high school diploma.

Sorry OH, you are misinformed and way behind the times by 20 years. I completed my degree in Criminal Justice Management online from an accredited university 20 years ago back when I was a LE officer. Virtually every accredited university in the U.S. offers online degree programs now.

While I’m not a big fan of Starbucks, about 10 years ago my wife worked there part time, 20 hours a week because they offered free tuition for a degree at Arizona State University, where she obtained her B.S. in Health Sciences with a Minor in Healthy Lifestyle Coaching. She watched livestream interactive lectures from her professors, no different than sitting in a lecture hall, she could participle and ask questions.

During tests, she had to sequester herself in a quiet room at home, turn the camera on her laptop so she could be monitored, no distractions or interruptions or the professor may fail you. She did ask my assistant once when she was sent a preserved fetal pig for her anatomy class and asked that I help her remove the various organs! Her experience was every bit as challenging as if she were physically there and in many ways not much different. She had to join in on student group sessions and interact with other classmates.

I kind of miss those days, just for working part time at Starbucks, she got full medical, matching 401(k), 5 lbs of coffee a week, could be regular coffee, Kuerig K cups, etc, plus she was always bringing me breakfast sandwiches and other sandwiches that would otherwise have to be discarded at the end of the day and more importantly it saved us 60k in tuition which is what her degree what have cost. She did fly to Arizona for her graduation too, graduating Summa cum laude.

I won’t say she enjoyed working with a bunch of 18-20 year olds, who by the way, seemed like very few took advantage of this excellent degree program that Starbucks still offers. So she went on to a wonderful career at the regional hospital when we lived in Montana, then when we relocated to Oklahoma, I only jokingly mentioned applying for the local Starbucks as a manager and she almost hit me!

 

[steve white]

I would offer OH a one time get out of jail free card--no one takes any more potshots if he will in turn not post on Politics till he cools off a bit. Everyone needs a way out of being shamed--the Japanese even committed sepuku over being shamed. That said, the condition includes shutting up for a season. If not, on your own head, man.

 

[Flipper Dude]

I had the right to remain silent, I just didn’t have the ability.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

And what fine institutions granted those degrees. I’ve personally never heard of a thesis for a Ph.D. Must have been a diploma mill to only require a thesis. All the Ph.D. Programs that I am aware of require a dissertation and defense.

The terms thesis and dissertation are used interchangeably. Yes, it was subject to acceptance by three reviewers: one outside the university, one outside the department, and one inside the department. The thesis was defended before a larger panel that included, if I recall correctly, one expert from outside the university and none of my advisors. Prior to even starting work on the thesis, I was required to pass a series of "comprehensive exams" on a reading list of +350 monographs (mostly books) in three fields of study. There were three written exams (essay format) each lasting from 11:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. (officially 5:00 p.m. but they let me go over the time limit ... like anyone else who needed it ... I finished each exam between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m.). The fourth exam was oral before professors in each field including the advisors who helpe prepare the readings lists. That exam lasted as I recall from 1:00 to 5:00 p.m. but I think it broke up early. I was told later by the dept secty that the dept head who was NO friend of mine!, said my comp exams were the best he'd ever read. They were pass/fail which made it a bit scary as I and my first advisor made a few enemies while I fought my way through the program. Those guys really didn't want to see a cowboy from Montana succeed. In theory candidates were supposed to submit the reading list during the summer after first year's obligatory coursework. Then take the exams the following spring. As far as I know, no one ever finished the comps under a year and a half after readings list approved. Many took up to three years. I took my comps at end third year in the program. Then I started on my thesis. I started the program in 1996 and thesis was approved early 2004. Many interruptions caused delays. Dad died unexpectedly in '99 and that devastated me. Then in August 2003 my eyes started to fall apart ... literally. Third retina operation by January 2004. At that point it was unclear they'd be able to save my eyesight and left eye was already pretty much written off. I remember feverishly doing final edits to thesis conclusion while waiting for evening flight to Winnipeg for last surgery (however, many laser patch jobs followed).

So, no it was not a diploma mill degree. It was a bloody uphill battle beginning to end (I've only told the tip of the iceberg!). The thesis is 310 pages, 12 font, lines at space and a half (instead of double spaced per dept manual) with single space 10 font excerpts and footnotes. It's also bound with pages printed double sided, also a first for the dept. I simply could see no point in binding it in two volumes. Also, I was the first candidate to do comp exams on a computer. There was a helluva fight over that one, particularly with the dept head. But I could force them because my disability is to right hand that I write with ... barely. So they can either let me do the exams on a computer or I go see Student Disability Services. It's going to happen. And it did but they didn't like it. Then it was fun and games over the grad committee refusing to approve my readings list. They were getting their revenge. Turns out the committee didn't have the authority to disapprove the list. I threatened to get a lawyer and the list was "approved." Yeah, it was not easy. Oh, yeah, almost forgot ... the thesis was published. The dept was very happy about that. I finished my program highly respected by a bunch of profs that started out wanting to hate me.

Under the circumstances, given what I went through to achieve what was accomplished, I should probably be greatly offended by any suggestion I took shortcuts during my postgraduate work. But I take solice in knowing the caliber of the accusation's author was already proven to be about as substantial as a Walmart mud puddle.

 

[mdwest]

The terms thesis and dissertation are used interchangeably.

Ummm.. no..

you'd think someone that claims to hold a PhD and touts it at every opportunity would know that..

Dissertation vs. Thesis: A Comparison

In Europe, a dissertation is required to earn a Master's degree and a thesis for PhD, but in USA, the opposite is observed for both. Know the difference!

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Dissertation vs. Thesis: Key Differences Explained | National University

Learn the key differences between a dissertation vs thesis. Discover how each academic project varies in purpose.

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What is the difference between a dissertation and a thesis?

The words ‘dissertation’ and ‘thesis’ both refer to a large written research project undertaken to complete a degree, but they are used differently

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The Differences between Dissertation vs Thesis that Matter

Understanding the differences between a dissertation vs thesis will help you prepare when earning your higher education degree. There are nuanced differences.

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Ive known people that DONT hold a doctoral degree to use the terms interchangeably... but.. I have to say.. Ive never known anyone that actually has earned a doctoral degree to use them interchangeably... they absolutely know the difference (as subtle as some of those differences may be)..

Im a mere doctoral candidate/ABD... but know the difference.. certainly every DBA, PhD, EdD, and DA I have ever spoken to (literally hundreds) all know the difference as well..

 

[rookhawk]

It's a pretty simple debate to solve.

Dissertations are published and searchable via the university's archives. A bibliography of all dissertations present within a university system is easy enough to verify.

We don't need to sling accusations or bicker over an undergrad thesis versus a doctoral dissertation, we can just get its name and author and like magic, it is discoverable on the Internet.

 

[Brent in Az]

The doomsday clock is now 85 seconds to midnight....lol

 

[John Wasmuth]

 

[wesheltonj]

. . . Under the circumstances, given what I went through to achieve what was accomplished, I should probably be greatly offended by any suggestion I took shortcuts during my postgraduate work. But I take solice in knowing the caliber of the accusation's author was already proven to be about as substantial as a Walmart mud puddle.

If you’re going to insult me, at least have the common decency to use a store that I actually shop at. That would be a Neiman-Marcus mud puddle. I’ve worked hard for my silver spoon.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Ummm.. no..

you'd think someone that claims to hold a PhD and touts it at every opportunity would know that..

Dissertation vs. Thesis: A Comparison

In Europe, a dissertation is required to earn a Master's degree and a thesis for PhD, but in USA, the opposite is observed for both. Know the difference!

www.enago.com

Dissertation vs. Thesis: Key Differences Explained | National University

Learn the key differences between a dissertation vs thesis. Discover how each academic project varies in purpose.

www.nu.edu

What is the difference between a dissertation and a thesis?

The words ‘dissertation’ and ‘thesis’ both refer to a large written research project undertaken to complete a degree, but they are used differently

www.scribbr.co.uk

The Differences between Dissertation vs Thesis that Matter

Understanding the differences between a dissertation vs thesis will help you prepare when earning your higher education degree. There are nuanced differences.

www.uopeople.edu

Ive known people that DONT hold a doctoral degree to use the terms interchangeably... but.. I have to say.. Ive never known anyone that actually has earned a doctoral degree to use them interchangeably... they absolutely know the difference (as subtle as some of those differences may be)..

Im a mere doctoral candidate/ABD... but know the difference.. certainly every DBA, PhD, EdD, and DA I have ever spoken to (literally hundreds) all know the difference as well..

I am not in US. Up here colleges are not the same as universities but in the States the meaning is usually taken to be the same. Here my PhD thesis is officially the topic/question addressed (often the title) but here it can also refer generally to finished product. No one has ever corrected me for calling my thesis a thesis.

 

[Woodcarver]

If you’re going to insult me, at least have the common decency to use a store that I actually shop at. That would be a Neiman-Marcus mud puddle. I’ve worked hard for my silver spoon.

That there wins the internet post of the day!

 

[mdwest]

I am not in US. Up here colleges are not the same as universities but in the States the meaning is usually taken to be the same. Here my PhD thesis is officially the topic/question addressed (often the title) but here it can also refer generally to finished product. No one has ever corrected me for calling my thesis a thesis.

Did you obtain your PhD from a Canadian university?

If so, the UK system and commonwealth countries call the doctoral research project and associated paper a “thesis”, and they call the research project and paper at the bachelors and masters level a dissertation.

In the US system the doctoral research project and its associated paper is a dissertation. If a masters program requires a research project (not nearly as common in the US as it is in the UK) it is called a thesis.

 

[steve white]

I guess the get out of jail card is expired....

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Did you obtain your PhD from a Canadian university?

If so, the UK system and commonwealth countries call the doctoral research project and associated paper a “thesis”, and they call the research project and paper at the bachelors and masters level a dissertation.

In the US system the doctoral research project and its associated paper is a dissertation. If a masters program requires a research project (not nearly as common in the US as it is in the UK) it is called a thesis.

Masters and PhD are both Canadian. Recall I said I finished editing the PhD thesis conclusion while I was waiting for the plane to fly me to Winnipeg for my 3rd emergency retina surgery. The dept was getting cranky about extensions for completing the program. And they don't give extensions away either. I had a family to take care of so needed to get finished. I remember showing up for my thesis defense (also in Winnipeg) with half my face still swollen and bruised from surgery.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I guess the get out of jail card is expired....

Looks like I don't need it ...

 

[John Wasmuth]

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