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[Brent in Az]

The Democrats have established their modus operandi for attacking political opponents.

Let's say that Desantis wins in 2024, and the Dem's take back the house & senate.

What then? The power of the POTUS pen can only go so far.

Will the Democrats unleash the wolves on Desantis, like they did to Trump? I bet they will.

I appreciate what Trump did for the economy, jobs, energy, and to some extent, foreign policy. He did waste those first 2 years when the Republicans held all 3 branches of the government. Spent his last 2 years fighting off the wolves.

It would take 2 full terms with the right people to even put a dent in draining the swamp. The swamp has had decades to build itself.

 

[CoElkHunter]

This is not meant to be accusatory to anyone and is not directed at you; I simply quoted your post since it relates to my question. This is a general question to the forum to be (hopefully) answered by those who are more plugged in with national level politics.

I continue to see/hear that Trump is well ahead of every other Republican candidate in primary polling. Who are they actually polling? Are there really a near majority of polled Republicans who prefer Trump as a candidate vs. all of the alternatives? Because I have yet to meet a single registered Republican in my (admittedly small) circle of friends and business acquaintances who has said as much, and based on the tenor of many on this forum (which represents a pretty wide spectrum of geographies, industries, and stations), he is not the preferred candidate. In fact, most Republicans I have met stated they would not vote for him in the primary, with probably a further third or half saying they wouldn't vote for him in the general election if he were the Republican candidate!

I know the above is all anecdotal/circumstantial and is far from scientific, but I'm beginning to wonder who these people are who are being polled. Maybe I'm just out of touch with major swaths of the Republican base (I probably am), but I can't seem to find these "Trump or bust!" people in real life. I have no doubt they exist, it just seems odd that he is double-digit leading primary polls when many of those very same polls say his alternatives would have a better shot at winning the general election. It just seems odd.

I don’t believe it matters if 100 percent of Republicans vote for Trump, De Santis or any other candidate. Once again, this election depends on who the MODERATE Independent voters vote for. If the Republicans can’t get their vote, the election will go once again to the Demonrat candidate and our country will suffer another four years through their incompetence.

 

[wesheltonj]

This is not meant to be accusatory to anyone and is not directed at you; I simply quoted your post since it relates to my question. This is a general question to the forum to be (hopefully) answered by those who are more plugged in with national level politics.

I continue to see/hear that Trump is well ahead of every other Republican candidate in primary polling. Who are they actually polling? Are there really a near majority of polled Republicans who prefer Trump as a candidate vs. all of the alternatives? Because I have yet to meet a single registered Republican in my (admittedly small) circle of friends and business acquaintances who has said as much, and based on the tenor of many on this forum (which represents a pretty wide spectrum of geographies, industries, and stations), he is not the preferred candidate. In fact, most Republicans I have met stated they would not vote for him in the primary, with probably a further third or half saying they wouldn't vote for him in the general election if he were the Republican candidate!

I know the above is all anecdotal/circumstantial and is far from scientific, but I'm beginning to wonder who these people are who are being polled. Maybe I'm just out of touch with major swaths of the Republican base (I probably am), but I can't seem to find these "Trump or bust!" people in real life. I have no doubt they exist, it just seems odd that he is double-digit leading primary polls when many of those very same polls say his alternatives would have a better shot at winning the general election. It just seems odd.

The short answer is the 3R voters and some 2R voters. Those are the voters who will vote in a primary. The D’s use 3D and 2D voters too. If you are a R voter, I might suggest that you find your local R women club, and maybe your local Pachyderm club and see who the party loyalists are supporting. On the R side, the R women’s clubs are the ones who will be given “Call Lists” to get the R’s out to vote. That’s another problem that the R have, we use volunteers whereas the D’s use paid employees to make calls.

 

[PARA45]

This is not meant to be accusatory to anyone and is not directed at you; I simply quoted your post since it relates to my question. This is a general question to the forum to be (hopefully) answered by those who are more plugged in with national level politics.

I continue to see/hear that Trump is well ahead of every other Republican candidate in primary polling. Who are they actually polling? Are there really a near majority of polled Republicans who prefer Trump as a candidate vs. all of the alternatives? Because I have yet to meet a single registered Republican in my (admittedly small) circle of friends and business acquaintances who has said as much, and based on the tenor of many on this forum (which represents a pretty wide spectrum of geographies, industries, and stations), he is not the preferred candidate. In fact, most Republicans I have met stated they would not vote for him in the primary, with probably a further third or half saying they wouldn't vote for him in the general election if he were the Republican candidate!

I know the above is all anecdotal/circumstantial and is far from scientific, but I'm beginning to wonder who these people are who are being polled. Maybe I'm just out of touch with major swaths of the Republican base (I probably am), but I can't seem to find these "Trump or bust!" people in real life. I have no doubt they exist, it just seems odd that he is double-digit leading primary polls when many of those very same polls say his alternatives would have a better shot at winning the general election. It just seems odd.

Remember when Hitlary was running for president against Trump, and all the polls were showing her wining by a huge margin, and who ended up being president? I take those polls with a huge sack of salt. It's not over until the fat lady sings. I hear what you are saying.

 

[Doug3006]

The MSM loves to publish polls showing Trump in the lead, for a couple of reasons. First, the media has a strangely symbiotic relationship with him. He’s great for their business. They may loathe him, but they don’t know what they’d do without him and his limitless supply of controversial statements and actions. They also love portraying him as the runaway nominee because they understand and support the Dems strategy of doing all they can to ensure he is the nominee. They recon that the Donald is the only Rep candidate they are sure to beat. I recon they’re right.

On Sunday, NBC News, those stalwart conservatives, published a poll that shows DeSantis leading Joe Biden by six points in swing states, while Trump trails Biden by two points. Did you see that one? Probably not, because even NBC buried it.

The MSM is going to be selective on what they cover as news, and until the primaries, be ready to hear nothing but how big Trumps lead is.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

This is the Biden administration Oscar. Fat lady? Or Rachel Levine limbering up "her" vocal cords?

 

[Tundra Tiger]

@Doug3006 ... I would add - and I recognize this almost has a conspiracy sound to it, and I swear I am not wired that way - I think that there have to be some Trump supporters who would vote for a more viable candidate (DeSantis, for example) but if they believe fully that Trump has an insurmountable lead, they'll vote Trump whereas maybe they'd have considered an alternative. If something like that has skittered across my mind, I have to believe the media folks you highlight have had the same thought - just another benefit to pushing the Trump poll train.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

I don’t believe it matters if 100 percent of Republicans vote for Trump, De Santis or any other candidate. Once again, this election depends on who the MODERATE Independent voters vote for. If the Republicans can’t get their vote, the election will go once again to the Demonrat candidate and our country will suffer another four years through their incompetence.

I have to agree with that. My sense is moderate voters largely see the Biden administration as worthless and looking for an alternative. But Trump is not the alternative they’re looking for. So if it plays out that it’s Biden/Trump in Nov 2024, how will it go? I’ve no idea.

At least that’s what my cracked and dirty crystal ball tells me.

 

[Mekaniks]

I have to agree with that. My sense is moderate voters largely see the Biden administration as worthless and looking for an alternative. But Trump is not the alternative they’re looking for. So if it plays out that it’s Biden/Trump in Nov 2024, how will it go? I’ve no idea.

At least that’s what my cracked and dirty crystal ball tells me.

Yes I completely agree with you.

The problem that I see, is that many of the moderate voters will see Trump as just more government chaos.

Biden is inept, but he is a known quantity to the American voter.

As it stands today, I think many moderates are going to lean towards political safety if Trump is in the race.

I believe Trump has to come out with a strategy that will appeal to those moderate voters and that still holds onto his base supporters. I am not sure if he can do that….

 

[Katy Darren]

Trump picked up tons of moderate and ‘new’ R voters. He converted the party to the American worker party. He got the most minorities ever. The most votes for an incumbent ever. He’ll get plenty of non traditional R voters. The real question is if the Dems and their propaganda convince too many more that he’s the devil before election season so we lose too many more pubs and conservatives. By many on here it’s a real possibility that happens. I’m voting for anyone we put up to oppose the liberals and Biden and the run to socialism. Anyone. It’s the easiest decision I’ll ever make.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Trump picked up tons of moderate and ‘new’ R voters. He converted the party to the American worker party. He got the most minorities ever. The most votes for an incumbent ever. He’ll get plenty of non traditional R voters. The real question is if the Dems and their propaganda convince too many more that he’s the devil before election season so we lose too many more pubs and conservatives. By many on here it’s a real possibility that happens. I’m voting for anyone we put up to oppose the liberals and Biden and the run to socialism. Anyone. It’s the easiest decision I’ll ever make.

I agree with you as to the voters Trump picked up in 2016. Trump was a "novelty" at the time. A non politician and a businessman with great ideas to boost our economy appealed to many voters who were tired of Obama and business as usual. I believe they saw Hillary as continuing the policies they didn't like. So, Trump won the Presidency. Then, Trump took to twitter and turned off many of the moderate Independent voters. Then Covid hit and the economy turned to sh**. THAT wasn't Trump's fault and in fact the economy was BOOMING under him until that point. But, maybe many of the imbecile voters somehow blamed him for their suffering and Brandon won in 2020. I don't know. I voted for Trump both times. I'd vote for him again if he was the Republican candidate, but I'm not a moderate, so I don't count.

 

[Red Leg]

I find it interesting that Trump supporters give him a pass on pandemic.

Covid truly was not Trump's "fault." But he absolutely owns the nation's response to it. It is those decisions that played such a huge role in tanking the economy. I also don't buy the "he had bad advice" excuse. Competent executives are expected to insure they have good advice.

Trump made the decisions that shut down the economy, he made the decisions to let governors mandate their own responses (creating both the New York and Florida responses among others), and he very much owns the vaccine - something he still proudly claims saved 100 million people.

 

[jpr9954]

I don’t believe it matters if 100 percent of Republicans vote for Trump, De Santis or any other candidate. Once again, this election depends on who the MODERATE Independent voters vote for. If the Republicans can’t get their vote, the election will go once again to the Demonrat candidate and our country will suffer another four years through their incompetence.

Even worse, both Alito and Thomas are in their 70s. Imagine if a Biden or Newsom gets to appoint two young lefty justices.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Even worse, both Alito and Thomas are in their 70s. Imagine if a Biden or Newsom gets to appoint two young lefty justices.

Now, you're scaring us! LOL

 

[IdaRam]

I don’t believe it matters if 100 percent of Republicans vote for Trump, De Santis or any other candidate. Once again, this election depends on who the MODERATE Independent voters vote for. If the Republicans can’t get their vote, the election will go once again to the Demonrat candidate and our country will suffer another four years through their incompetence.

I think you are spot on with this.
Admittedly I’m drawing from a small cross section, but both my better half and I have family on both coasts who tend to lean more left of center but are certainly not liberals. Probably the moderate independent voter you are referring to. Most have said they would enthusiastically vote for Desantis, but absolutely refuse to vote for Trump under any circumstance. I think these are the voters who will decide the next election.

 

[Scott CWO]

The Democrats have established their modus operandi for attacking political opponents.

Let's say that Desantis wins in 2024, and the Dem's take back the house & senate.

What then? The power of the POTUS pen can only go so far.

Will the Democrats unleash the wolves on Desantis, like they did to Trump? I bet they will.

I appreciate what Trump did for the economy, jobs, energy, and to some extent, foreign policy. He did waste those first 2 years when the Republicans held all 3 branches of the government. Spent his last 2 years fighting off the wolves.

It would take 2 full terms with the right people to even put a dent in draining the swamp. The swamp has had decades to build itself.

The problem is that Trump has way more skeletons in his closet than Desantis and Trump’s mouth also adds to the damage. Trump’s lifestyle has been way more sketchy than Desantis.

I think people underestimate Desantis. He’s also a bulldog but without as many flaws and the extreme narcissism. Desantis has mentioned using force near the border and against the cartels. Also stopping the shipments of fentanyl on the ocean before it can reach Mexico from China. I am all for the blockade and the use of force at the border. We are losing our country. China sending fentanyl is an act of war. It’s time to get tough. Biden is a wuss.

In addition, how much can Trump actually accomplish with four years and a bunch of indictments that will pile up before and during his possible next term? The whole thing would turn into an unprecedented shit show. Yes, the Democrats are and will continue to be most of the problem but Trump also brings some of it upon himself. I would rather start over with Desantis.

 

[Scott CWO]

I think you are spot on with this.
Admittedly I’m drawing from a small cross section, but both my better half and I have family on both coasts who tend to lean more left of center but are certainly not liberals. Probably the moderate independent voter you are referring to. Most have said they would enthusiastically vote for Desantis, but absolutely refuse to vote for Trump under any circumstance. I think these are the voters who will decide the next election.

Exactly. Why some people can’t see this is beyond me. Republicans might ruin our chances because of people following Trump off a cliff. He still hasn’t learned to appeal to anyone other than his base.

 

[Mike B. 216]

The Democrats have established their modus operandi for attacking political opponents.

Let's say that Desantis wins in 2024, and the Dem's take back the house & senate.

What then? The power of the POTUS pen can only go so far.

Will the Democrats unleash the wolves on Desantis, like they did to Trump? I bet they will.

I appreciate what Trump did for the economy, jobs, energy, and to some extent, foreign policy. He did waste those first 2 years when the Republicans held all 3 branches of the government. Spent his last 2 years fighting off the wolves.

It would take 2 full terms with the right people to even put a dent in draining the swamp. The swamp has had decades to build itself.

You can thank Paul Ryan for fighting Trump at every turn.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

I am luke warm on Desantis, but after doing some research on him I agree that he is an impressive guy. His recent comments though are a bit naive, I think. I agree closing Education, but the other three are needed. Most people don't have a clue what the Dept of Energy is about. It's not oil & gas. Closing the IRS is pandering to the masses.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Wednesday that if he is elected president he would seek to close four federal agencies as part of an effort to reduce the size of government.

"We would do Education, we would do Commerce, we'd do Energy, and we would do IRS," DeSantis said in an interview with Fox News’ Martha MacCallum when he was asked whether he favored closing any agencies.

"If Congress will work with me on doing that, we'll be able to reduce the size and scope of government," he added. "If Congress won't go that far, I'm going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology and against the leftism that we see creeping into all institutions of American life."

DeSantis’ campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for further details about his remarks.

 

[jpr9954]

Now, you're scaring us! LOL

Then my job here is done!