Life After The Indian Hunting Ban

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  1. PSRaghav

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    The Givernment reduced the licencing limit as mentioned earlier
    It was up to the individual which weapon he/ she wishes to retain
    You were allowed to keep three per head
    Up to you what you do with the rest
    Sell / gift / discard
     
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    The Prashant Singh on IFG and this PS Raghav are the same individual
    I am a Raghav Rajput . Hence Prashant Singh (PS) Raghav .
    The GivernGove gives reward . Hunting a man-eater is a responsible job very different from trophy hunting . Man-eaters operate near human habitation. Safe shooting is the greatest concern . Rifle bullets go far . Very far.
    Plus idetifienf the killer is the most challenging aspect .......try shooting the wrong animal and see how PETA gets after you
    It's not a job every gun owner would choose to do
    Good night
     
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  3. Kawshik Rahman

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    Well ,
    I am genuinely apologetic that we had to meet under these set of circumstances . Never the less , we disagree on certain things but that does not diminish my respect for how many lives you have saved or your sportsmanship. Good night.
     

  4. Bullhunter

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    This guy is a troll.
    For sure not, "Mister General".
    Here I am, and still are.
    But - as longer as you wrote your statemenst - I thought to me, that you are one of these "Generals" (with the greatest respect "Mister General", sir) witch are so far away from the troops, that they have no ideas "what is going on".

    So educate me please.
    First of all, I want to send you some pictures, pp.
    Maybe more in an PM.
    But: I have no interessed in "educate you", sir, "Mister General". :LOL::LOL::ROFLMAO:
     
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  5. Kawshik Rahman

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    With most respect to you whom l am quite fond of , General Taylor has seen combat and been in battle , just like me ( even more so , because l was only in the military for six months , while he was in the military for three decades ) . He is every bit as real a military man as they come . This of course , does not undermine your own experiences with the armed forces in my eyes in the slightest.
    In regards to the debate regarding the .3006 , l am most ignorant on the subject as you gentlemen are more well read than l . However , l can only state what l know . Our mutual friend , Hoss Delgado sent me an article last week about an American sniper in the Vietnam War named Mr. Hathcock . He used two sniper rifles during his tours . One was a model 70 Winchester in .3006 calibre . He used it for his first few tours but by the time of his final tour , he was using a .308 Winchester calibre weapon because his unit had switched from the .3006 to .308 Winchester calibre . This is a most interesting topic actually. I did not even know that the army in the United States of America kept any remaining consignments of metal envelope .3006 ammunition in stock for quite some time ( expanding ammunition naturally being prohibited for war )
     
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  6. Bullhunter

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    Thank you, Mister Kawshik Rahman.
    I have nothing against "Mister General Taylor".
    God - and the army - bless him.

    Even with the .30-06, witch I "personal dont like"...
    Let us forget it, I know what I have seen, what I hold in my hands and more...

    Let us go back to the topic of this thread.

    Peace.
     
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  7. Kawshik Rahman

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    Excellent. I am writing one more article tonight for these forums , as it is.
     
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  8. Bullhunter

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    Thank you, Mister KR.

    Im sure it will be an great one.
     
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    I don't have a dog in this fight, but you where asked a pretty basic question about which weapon you saw that was chambered in .30-06 instead of just replying what it was, which you still haven't done, you made a comment directed towards RedLeg that came across as rather snarky and sarcastic. Your selection and placement of emojis also doesn't help your cause here. Why not just say what weapon it was that you saw? seems like the easier thing to do...
     
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  10. mark-hunter

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    "As the dust on Indian front settles between other forum members", I would like to add few comments of my own observations.

    First:
    So far, based on first hand statements provided from different forum members, I came to conclusion that implementation of Indian gun laws and subsequent confiscation of imported fire-arms is not uniform and equal to all citizens - gun owners.
    Some kept the guns (up to three?), some lost all in a hard way.

    It could be for any reason: social status, religion, or even depending from state to state, for uneven law implementation.

    Second, so far, it has not yet been verified if confiscation of fire arms has been adequately compensated by government, or not?

    In my line of work on the rig I have met many Indian people. Possible few hundred.
    I am fascinated with India as a country, I am also a hunter, and target shooter, so with many Indians I talked on subject of hunting, and sometimes target shooting, mostly with younger generation.

    So, here are some of my observations, some details, and my subjective impressions, while remaining open to be corrected:

    In my office on the wall I have a photo of myself and kudu which I shot in Namibia:
    One of the Indian guys working for me, asked me if police caught me when killing this animal, was there any fine or imprisonment, and what happened with that rifle. (was it confiscated?)

    Also, Many times I spoke of hunting in India with others, etc...
    So, based on this, and other conversations my impression is that average modern Indian is not informed on hunting at all. Most of them comprehend hunting as illegal, and subject to police prosecution, and are not aware of possibility of legal hunting in other countries, or not even considering remote possibility having legal firearms hunting license in other countries.

    Finally, of all Indians I have met, one had a rifle. Only one. Double rifle. And one box of cartridges.
    He was fine gentleman of higher cast.
    I asked if he ever fired a rifle, he said - never fired, but he keeps it in glass locker, and it is very fine gun.

    I asked for how he manged to get permit for this:
    Basically, living in rural areas, authorities may give the permit to own a firearms for purpose of self defence of animals.
    In case animals is shot in self defence, meat, hide and bones belong to authorities, and shooting must be reported.

    And, finally, in a real life, to get a permit, proper gifts, or gratitudes should be given to official, otherwise issuing of permit will take years, decades or entire eternity... which ever comes last...

    Generally, my (again subjective) impression is that civilian gun ownership in India, realistically represents a STATUS symbol. Owning a gun is not for everybody. Probably not for lower cast.
    And not surprisingly, gun & hunting culture is extremely low.

    This are my impressions so far, but I could easily be wrong, and remain open to be corrected.
     
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    I was reading ALL the comments here again and l picked up one HUGE inconsistency ( But then I've been told l jump to conclusions too soon :p :( ) made by some one. They claim to :
    #1 Use a .375 HH Magnum Browning rifle for their government appointed man eater hunts in modern India .
    #2 Own 4 guns ( a large Cal rifle , 12 g shotgun , .32 Cal Browning pistol and a .22 LR rifle )
    #3 Be a famous government appointed hunter named Prasant Sing

    The problem is here . After Mr. Rahman mentioned being an admirer of this Prasant Sing , he also mentioned that Mr. Sing uses a .30-06 Cal rifle for killing man eating critters .
    Now , it stands to reason as per the poster's claims #1 and #2 that if he owns a .375 HH Magnum Browning and owns 4 guns ( large Cal rifle , 12g , .32 ACP pistol and .22 rifle ) , that the large Cal rifle IS the .375 HH Magnum Browning , right ?
    So no .30-06 in this poster's gun room :( .
    However , l did an online search on Prasant Sing . He indeed uses a .30-06 cal rifle and not a .375 HH Magnum rifle ( Browning or otherwise ;) ) .
    Hmmmmm
     

  12. Bullhunter

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    But you are his sergant?:LOL:

    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     

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    I am sure you are a respected journalist in Germany, and I have truly tried to make allowances for your obvious struggles with English. But there really isn’t a need to be deliberately rude. You have been deliberately insulting to me, and now you decide to be equally so to another member.

    I am sure you know a great deal about hunting in Europe. However, whatever you think you know about the American Armed Forces is inevitably limited compared to a professional soldier. Arguing that point or, in your case, resorting to insulting behavior is a little silly. Behaving as a troll, doesn’t necessarily mean that you aren’t who you claim to be; it is simply a form of childish on line behavior and it does you no credit.

    You made an assertion about the US Military and implied a special understanding of “SF” - I have no idea if you were speaking about actual US Army Special Forces or some other component of JSOC. I seriously doubt if you do.

    But let me try this one more time. The US Army hasn’t issued a weapon chambered in 30-06 since the early seventies. I noted it is not a caliber utilized by our SOF teams regardless of service. However, I also noted it is possible that a SF soldier could have deployed with a non-standard weapon for some reason. I am genuinely curious what it was and where you saw it.

    If you are uncomfortable saying where, fine, but I am honestly curious what non-standard weapon in 30-06 he would have been carrying.

    Regardless of what you saw or where you saw it, the 30-06 is no more considered a military caliber by the US armed forces today than the 8x57 is by the Bundeswher.
     
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    "But you are his sergant?"

    Bullhunter,
    what's this supposed to be?
    The tone in AH is fortunately a different one than in the Wild und Hund Forum (a German hunting forum).
    Not every change is necessarily an improvement.
    One of many reasons why I like AH so much.
    Come down to normal pulse again.
    Foxi
     
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  15. Bullhunter

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    But let me try this one more time.
    Please: Dont do it.
    You had written it many times, that you "know what I have seen, what I have in my own hands and mutch more...".
    Maybe you are an "Mister General", but seriously not my mum.
    :ROFLMAO:

    Come down to normal pulse again.
    You are his sergant.
    For sure.
    :LOL::LOL:
     

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    Bullhunter, your behavior is rude and condescending. I’m sure all members would appreciate it if you would act in a more respectful manner. Despite what you may think, you have not been insulted, and yet you insist on continuously insulting our friends. Please change your behavior or change forums. WAB
     
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    @Bullhunter, This is a friendly community based on mutual respect. Your behavior is inappropriate and unacceptable, if not changed it will result in restricting your ability to interact on AfricaHunting.com.
     

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    Lets go back in history. In 1972 , the US NAVY sold a couple of dozen Landing Vehicles to the Spanish Marines, those were LVPT-7/AAV-7A, and carried mounted Mod 1919 machine guns in 30.06.

    I understand that those machine guns which still remained in the US NAVY were rechambered to .308.

    As far as I know, there still Springfield 03´s and M1´s in use for ceremonial duties in the US, just like we still have the Mauser in 8x57 in Spain. But neither on active duty.
     
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    Dear Boss
    I was using a 3006 for leopard and have shot 6 man-eating leopards with it
    The next problem animal I see in India is the Elephant . Hence I have changed my 3006 with a 375 mag

    For ELEPHANT and TIGER. The minimum calibre is a .375 mag and above. That is the LAW . You can not be issued a permit for elephant or tiger on a 3006 or a 12 bore . This law was there during the days of Shikar and still exists

    India has almost twice the number of elephants than the holding capacity . Hence the next big problem we shall face is from these animals.
    I come from a family of shikaris .
    But I can assure you that there is no discrimination towards issue of licences based on casters creed or sex.
    As mentioned earlier . The most famous shikaris in India Safath ( mislim) Lakhpat (Hindu) and Joy (Christian ) represent the secular fabric of my country
     
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    I also assure you that getting a legal fire arm is not such a big deal.
    If a person is genuinely interested . He can get the licence and own one
    There is no compulsion that you have to purchase an Indian ordinance firearm
    Normally you can get decent ones in the gun shops and even within the family
     

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