Burden to inform?

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In the context of Mr. Watkins’ death:

CVS, any bookers or outfitters involved will have calendars full of clients going forward even years ahead for Bambisana in Limpopo and lots of other places.

Does CVS etc have any burden of communication to those clients? Are the clients owed any illumination, explanation, education?
 
CVS informed all of their clients and current perspective clients within hours of the incident and well ahead of the news being published elsewhere. Any new potential hunter will/should find this through the course of their due diligence and be able to ask about it.

As for the details that’s a touchy subject and one the family likely should have some say in, not just the outfitter.

CVS is one of the oldest and most respected outfitters in South Africa. Their pricing will eliminate a majority of potential clients since it rivals or exceeds the pricing one would find in Zim, Zambia, Mozambique, Namibia, or even Tanzania.
 
The question is entirely serious, and straightforward.

Not a good look to come in facetious.

And it sounds like, yes, CVS believes it has a burden, a professional obligation, to inform.
 
Do airlines advertise their fatal accidents? Auto manufacturers? Vaccine designers?

It’s a rather standup thing CVS did to have already contacted everyone. I agree with this, but doing so should be their own decision on their own terms, not mandated. Navigating something so emotionally devastating is a tricky thing. The interests of many need to be considered.
 
In the context of Mr. Watkins’ death:

CVS, any bookers or outfitters involved will have calendars full of clients going forward even years ahead for Bambisana in Limpopo and lots of other places.

Does CVS etc have any burden of communication to those clients? Are the clients owed any illumination, explanation, education?
Legally speaking, probably not. Not about specifics anyways. I think the PH has a duty to make sure the client has a general idea of the risks involved in the activity, or at least not downplay them, but I don't see how a duty to advise about this specific incident arises.
 
As a person who has never hunted DG and likely never will there are unspoken words that don't need to be said on such a hunt.

You are in close proximity of very dangerous and unpredictable animals and care should be taken at all times. You're PH will or should let you know that you are in the danger zone but you should already realize it without anything being said.

I'm sure that on the contract that it tells you that you are about to participate in a dangerous hunt.
 
Cvs have issued the statement on their official web pages.
 
Unfortunately we live in a time where some people are of the "I didnt know coffee is hot" faction.
 
Those of us that hunt DG choose to hunt DG and DANGER is written all over it. So I don't think that there is any onus upon an operator to restate that. Nobody wants to get hurt though, and the operator in particular doesn't need a bad incident and all the resulting fallout, as is happening here.
What is therefore useful is to mitigate the risks through good practice all round. I would thoroughly hope that any lessons comming out of a tragedy are learnt and incorporated in the operation of subsequent hunts, and if that involved some disclosure of what went wrong why on earth not?
We endlessly debate here on AH what is the minimum adequate calibre, or what is the best bullet type for say buffalo? We also know that some types of rifles are prone to reliability issues. Nevertheless the hunter will make his choices regardless and pitch up. The first safety gate comes when the PH assesses the fellow's capability and the suitability of his kit at the customary firing on the bush range. If an inadequacy is observed it is the responsibility, nay duty of the PH to cater for it in the trip MO. The controversial question of backup arises and if the client can't shoot well, is a nervous type or his rifle is barely adequate then the PH should make it known, as diplomatically as possible, that he will back up, and do so.
The next thing is whether the PH requires the client to walk with a loaded weapon. Some insist they do so. Imagine if it transpires from a hypothetical tragedy analysis that the client was carrying empty and the reason that he was over run was that he couldn't load in time? That is the kind of information disclosure that is useful, and the cure is easy to adopt, go loaded. Then the PH must ask, often if necessary, "are you on safe?" I once found that despite knowingly putting my rifle on safe that I found it off safe on the walk. I went cold. It happens, human error, a branch, whatever. So you check, and re-check, often.
Imagine now also that the crisis arose because the PH's rifle wasn't a stopper? He fired, no effect, and the buff was on top of them. Which leads to the discussion of what type of rifle and of what minimum calibre PH's should carry? My personal opinion is that the rifle should be a double of a minimum of 470 calibre and that the PH should practice on charging targets to become very good at crisis shooting. At our DG practice sessions I see some PH's there and some are often not that good at all, but they are there and practicing, so good on them.
In summary, imo it is only a fool who hides knowledge that can prevent a tragedy. Be sensitive, be diplomatic, but be boldly transparent about what can and has gone wrong. And try to do it better.
 
Would D&Y or CMS have a duty to report a client was killed in the Omay? Maybe they were buff hunting and stumbled on some raging tuskless with a calf in tow.

No duty to report. "TIA" isn't just for the wild 2-legged critters. Stuff like that happens - that's why we go to places like that to hunt animals like that.
 
I think CVS did everything that’s expected of them. They made a statement with basics of the event to end rumors. The rest is between them and the hunter’s family. I do however think clients should have a burden to vet their outfitters and PHs. I would not accuse CVS or any of their PHs of this, but having a PH license in South Africa means very little to me. A 10 day course, 21 hunting days a year, and 3 dangerous game hunts to maintain a PH license is not who I want to hunt dangerous game with. Make sure any PH you hunt dangerous game with actually has the experience they should to conduct the hunt. Many don’t. That burden lies with the client. Every dangerous game hunt has the potential to become dangerous even with the best PHs.
 
Things don't always go according to script. Most think that when SHTF, the PH will solve whatever problem arises, and they usually do...but not always. You cannot become a spectator, thinking that the ball is now completely in the PH's court. Stay ready and keep shooting. You may even have to save the PH's life! I was once watching Ivan Carter on TV trying to stop a charge from an elephant. He fired the second shot from his double, true enough, but in the next micro-second it was clear to me that Ivan was off and that the clients' last shot was the one that stopped the elephant. No doubt in my mind that if the client had not fired the last shot, Ivan would have been elephant toe jam.
Grits Gresham once wrote that the most sobering moment of his life was when he contemplated the fact that in final analysis, HE was the one responsible for saving his own life in a charge.
 
I don’t feel the operator is required to notify the entire world. Perhaps past clients If they prefer to. But I don’t feel it’s mandatory. You should already know the consequences. If not. That’s on you. Not the operator.

I agree that your DG hunting fate is in your hands. Building into your practice and plan that the PH will save you is not wise.

Of course plan A is the PH saving you. But plan B may be you saving yourself. Or worse saving the PH.
 
If I was booked on a hunt with them I would want to know. While it’s fresh on everyone’s minds is a time to share knowledge and experience, regardless of fault, if there was any. Also, complacency is in many aspects of life, oftentimes a refresher of the task at hand is well being for everyone.

I would also like to know so I could respect the gravity of the situation while visiting in the time afterward.

Good on them for sharing with their clients.
 
Dangerous game is by definition, dangerous so the Outfitter is under no obligation to state the obvious.

Clients do have an obligation to carry adequate weapons with adequate preparation and mindset.

But even when client and PH perform perfectly, things can go wrong and people can get hurt or killed. Preparation and skill on the part of PHs and clients can make these events unlikely but they can happen.

Unexpected and unprovoked attacks from unseen animals are especially problematic.

If you don’t want to accept the risks, you should stay in Kansas or Alabama and hunt things that won’t kill you.
 
The issue with sharing too many details is that an army of keyboard hunters will immediately find fault on the hunter and in the ph. While none of them were present to get the proper context. It will be nice if lessons could be learn from what happen, but on today society will quickly develop into a trashing contest of the persons involved.
I’m sure the ph and outfitter will learn from this and hopefully share some info with other ph but not on a public forum
 

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