.416 swift a frame penetration test

[Papabear55]

400gr swift A frame made it to the 7th jug which was mostly frozen and stopped at 100yds. Expanded to .78"

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

A great example of why everyone should shoot everything (okay, except Elephant) with a Swift A-Frame!

 

[mdwest]

Impressive, although not at all surprising results.

What impresses me more than 7 jugs.. is the fact that the bullet maintained straight line penetration for that distance through varying matter (thin plastic, water, ice, etc).. many bullets would have veered off course over that length of varying matter..

If I werent sold on Barnes TTSX / TSX for everything, and already sitting on close to 2000 barnes projectiles in various calibers.. I'd likely re-brand myself an A-Frame man

 

[BC.Pat]

Impressive, although not at all surprising results.

X 2

 

[Neil Molendyk]

X3

 

[Papabear55]

Impressive, although not at all surprising results.

What impresses me more than 7 jugs.. is the fact that the bullet maintained straight line penetration for that distance through varying matter (thin plastic, water, ice, etc).. many bullets would have veered off course over that length of varying matter..

If I werent sold on Barnes TTSX / TSX for everything, and already sitting on close to 2000 barnes projectiles in various calibers.. I'd likely re-brand myself an A-Frame man

Yea each of those jugs had some amount of ice in them before we filled them. Had ice in the bottoms of them to keep them from blowing off the porch in the wind. So I'm not sure on the exact amount of ice contact before the last jug. I had a video or two but couldnt post them

 

[Mike Van Horn]

Thanks for the information

 

[Shootist43]

What cartridge was used, i.e. Rigby, Remington Mag, Taylor etc.??

 

[Papabear55]

What cartridge was used, i.e. Rigby, Remington Mag, Taylor etc.??

Rem mag

 

[Shootist43]

Were you using factory or Handloaded Ammo? I purchased a 416 Remington Mag several months back and am looking for "recipes" if you don't mind sharing.

 

[Papabear55]

Were you using factory or Handloaded Ammo? I purchased a 416 Remington Mag several months back and am looking for "recipes" if you don't mind sharing.

Factory ammo for now. Haven't had time to reload lately

 

[Gemsbok45]

I use the 400 gr Swift and the 400 grain Barnes Monolthic Solid.My Buffalo medicine! Side on the 400 gr Barnes goes through an elephant.Heart long area!

 

[Dr Ray]

I use swift A Frame in my 416 Rem and Woodleigh hydros
Thanks for this report

 

[Papabear55]

Finally got around to weighing it. 392gr that's 98% weight retention. That's pretty impressive considering how much ice it went through

 

[Dr Ray]

Finally got around to weighing it. 392gr that's 98% weight retention. That's pretty impressive considering how much ice it went through

Very impressive to say the least

 

[MMAL]

Within the last two years I have moved to swift for all of my calibers except 6.5 creedmoor. Sierra game kings just shoot too damn accurate to change. The thing I realized after spending way too much time on this and other forums is that I cannot recall a time when someone reported a swift a-frame failure. Personally, I have seen Hornady, woodleigh and Barnes all fail to some degree. Thus I made my way to swift. Thanks for the report on the test.

 

[C.W. Richter]

It would be interesting to see how many jugs would be penetrated using the Barnes banded solid!

 

[colorado]

I use the 300g A-Frames in my 375 Weatherby, 400g A-Frames in our 416 Rem Mag, and 570g TSX in my 500 Jeffery. All great bullets

 

[fourfive8]

A-Frames are good expanding bullets no doubt. I've had good results using them.

For the test to have validity, it needs a baseline for comparison and the media needs to be consistent for each test. I'd suggest all jugs be the same, all water and none with any ice makes the most sense. So if you do the same test comparing to a regular non-bonded cup and core and a monolithic solid and maybe a FMJ spire point you can truly compare each. With a consistent media, 6 mos from now or 6 years from now you or someone else 8000 miles away can easily duplicate the test with the same media but with a different bullet or a different variable like velocity and a meaningful comparison can be made.

Doing the same test in the same media with a few different bullets would be useful. You might try both a flat point monolithic solid bullet and a regular non-bonded cup and core expanding like a Hornady Interlock, both of same diameter and weight and at the same velocity. The problem with comparing all three will be duplicating the variable media you used with the A-Frame in the first test- the unknown mix of ice and water. Which demonstrates the importance of control of variables for such tests.

And even though we really don't use FMJ spire points for hunting, comparing the bullet track and penetration of the FMJ spire point to a good hunting bullet like the A-Frame or FP monolithic can also be enlightening.

 

[chashardy]

Swift A-Frames are great ammo. I have used them in both my 375 H&H and 416 Rigby.