338/06 or 25/06?

[BlueFlyer]

I would consider the 9.3x64 but acquiring brass is a consideration

Frustrating, as Bertram have 000's of 9.3X64B brass in stock but no one seems to be stocking it out of Australia.

 

[BFaucett]

I am fond of the 9.3x62.
... <snip>...

By it’s 100 years+ reputation, the 286 grain round nose soft is decisive even on heavy tough animals like eland, zebra, waterbuck, etc
Yet, it is easy on skins and edible meat of the smallest hooved little antelopes such as duiker, steinbok, etc.

It works well on little piggies too.

Juvenile Bushpig taken for the pot.
CZ 550 American 9.3x62
handload: 286 gr Woodleigh RN at 2395 fps

Bushpig for breakfast! It was very tasty.

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

IMO the 338/06 AI is such a cool looking cartridge

@Cheesehead
May be a cool looking cartridge but still can't do what a plane Jane Whelen will do. Still runs 2nd best.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

The 375 and 400 Whelen both sound interesting but I read several places about headspace problems with them.

@Axle2010
With the Petrov version ( slightly different shoulder) zero headspace problems with the 400.
Bob

 

[BFaucett]

@Cheesehead
May be a cool looking cartridge but still can't do what a plane Jane Whelen will do. Still runs 2nd best.
Bob

Jane Whelen? I think I might have gone to school with her.

Bob F.

 

[jruby]

@Cheesehead
May be a cool looking cartridge but still can't do what a plane Jane Whelen will do. Still runs 2nd best.
Bob

Please tell i have both and they use the exact same case. No one i know uses a 300g bullet in thier whelen. So basically 200-250s grain bullets. Please tell me how the whelen is better than the 338-06. I respect them both but thier is not a dimes worth of difference between them. I could be wrong but thay is my experience.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Jane Whelen? I think I might have gone to school with her.

Bob F.

@BFaucett
BobF
That's bloody auto correct for you should have just been "the".
Are y'all coming to the get together at El Campo on the 18th Oct mate. It's just south of where your at.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Please tell i have both and they use the exact same case. No one i know uses a 300g bullet in thier whelen. So basically 200-250s grain bullets. Please tell me how the whelen is better than the 338-06. I respect them both but thier is not a dimes worth of difference between them. I could be wrong but thay is my experience.

@jruby the 338-06 for some reason can't launch 200 grainers at 3,000fos or 225s at 2,900 fps or 250s at 2,700 fps so a major difference in my book
Just my thoughts tho as I don't over like anything 338 related for some reason that calibre has never appealed to me.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Lol Bob i know the 270 is a great cartridge but it never pulled my strings like some others have. I just saw that my original post had a typo, I have plans for a 257WBY but I don't actually own one yet. My meager stable of bolt guns is: 243, 308, (2)30-06, 300WM, 338WM (that one is actually a Belgium made BAR), 340WBY, 35Whelen, 375H&H, 416 Ruger and 460WBY. A 458WM, 257WBY and 416 Rigby are on my short list of 'will haves' with the 257 probably the next one. I don't have very many gaps in my lineup until you get to the 500's I'm just trying to figure out what to make this ugly Savage into. BTW you are absolutely right about the 35Whelen, I love that rifle.

@Axle2010
Simple solution
As it's a Savage 110 I assume the may not be pretty but man they can shoot.

The solution is get a barrel nut spanner and action wrench. About a hundred dollars worth.

Then get a 25-06 barrel and a 400 Whelen barrel done to the same profile . That way you have the perfect switch barrel rifle that you can swap out barrels with in less than ten minutes.
Problem solved. Two rifle for the price of one.

Your lucky I'm a thinking man. I'm that good I have ideas I haven't even thought of yet
Ha Ha Ha Ha
Bob

 

[jruby]

@jruby the 338-06 for some reason can't launch 200 grainers at 3,000fos or 225s at 2,900 fps or 250s at 2,700 fps so a major difference in my book
Just my thoughts tho as I don't over like anything 338 related for some reason that calibre has never appealed to me.
Bob

Personal taste is understood, sometimes it's more the rifle. What manual shows 2900fps with a 225g bullet out of a whelen. I was surprised at the published loads for the 338-06 they are 200fps slower than the whelen. The whelen was tested with a 26" barrel and the 338-06 used a 24" barrel. The sectional density for the 338 is .281 for the 338 bullet vs .251 for the whelen bullet. Probably not enough to make a difference. I dont think the 338-06 is going anywhere as i have not found it lacking. The 35 whelen deserves it's dues, I would gladly grab one and go hunting with a smile.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Personal taste is understood, sometimes it's more the rifle. What manual shows 2900fps with a 225g bullet out of a whelen. I was surprised at the published loads for the 338-06 they are 200fps slower than the whelen. The whelen was tested with a 26" barrel and the 338-06 used a 24" barrel. The sectional density for the 338 is .281 for the 338 bullet vs .251 for the whelen bullet. Probably not enough to make a difference. I dont think the 338-06 is going anywhere as i have not found it lacking. The 35 whelen deserves it's dues, I would gladly grab one and go hunting with a smile.

@jruby
Sierra shows the 225 gn SPBTGK doing 2,900fps with 70 gn of CFE 223.
In my rifle I get that speed with that load out of a 25" tube
I also get 2,950fps ( not with the Sierra load) with the 225gn Woodleigh PPSP and RNSP.
Bob
Speer shows the 250gn doing 2,700fps in the Whelen.

 

[BlueFlyer]

70 gn of CFE 223.

Thats a lot of powder in a 06 case. In my 280AI I max out at 63gns of AR2213 before it starts to be a compressed load and pressure goes north.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Thats a lot of powder in a 06 case. In my 280AI I max out at 63gns of AR2213 before it starts to be a compressed load and pressure goes north.

@BlueFlyer
AR2213sc is a slow burning stick powder
CFE 223 is a ball powder so still room to seat a projectile.
In my 25 on an improved 303 case I use 58gn of Hodgon superformance another ball powder that can be used in some cases instead of 2213.
Bob

 

[jruby]

@jruby
Sierra shows the 225 gn SPBTGK doing 2,900fps with 70 gn of CFE 223.
In my rifle I get that speed with that load out of a 25" tube
I also get 2,950fps ( not with the Sierra load) with the 225gn Woodleigh PPSP and RNSP.
Bob
Speer shows the 250gn doing 2,700fps in the Whelen.

According to the sierra online data the max charge of cfe 223 is 67g compressed with a 220 gr bullet for a speed of 2788. I am unable to find 200 or 225 siera bullet data. Sierra shows 189,220 and 250 grain bullets load data. I do not have a current sierra manual but have hodgons, nosler, hornady and speer reloading manuals. What Sierra book was that? Here is the link to the online sierra data https://reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/rifle/35_Whelen_220.pdf

 

[BFaucett]

According to the sierra online data the max charge of cfe 223 is 67g compressed with a 220 gr bullet for a speed of 2788. I am unable to find 200 or 225 siera bullet data. Sierra shows 189,220 and 250 grain bullets load data. I do not have a current sierra manual but have hodgons, nosler, hornady and speer reloading manuals. What Sierra book was that? Here is the link to the online sierra data https://reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/rifle/35_Whelen_220.pdf

That's a link to Speer data that you posted. (Look closely at the URL / link.)

Source: https://sierrabullets.com/load-data/

direct link: https://sierrabullets.com/content/load-data/rifle/357-358/35-whelen.pdf

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[jruby]

@jruby
Sierra shows the 225 gn SPBTGK doing 2,900fps with 70 gn of CFE 223.
In my rifle I get that speed with that load out of a 25" tube
I also get 2,950fps ( not with the Sierra load) with the 225gn Woodleigh PPSP and RNSP.
Bob
Speer shows the 250gn doing 2,700fps in the Whelen.

Speer volume #14 on page 645 shows a maximum speed of 2386 using a 250g spitzer being pushed bty a maximum charge of H335 at 53g of powder. Most of the max charges are in the mid to high 2200's. The 358 Niorma Magnun according to the same book shows its fastest load at 2733 with a 250g bullet ( thos is on page 648). Your 35 Whelen is equaling a 358 Norma?

 

[BFaucett]

source: https://www.speer.com/reloading/rifle-data.html

direct link: https://reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/rifle/35_Whelen_250.pdf

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[jruby]

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source: https://www.speer.com/reloading/rifle-data.html

direct link: https://reloadingdata.speer.com/downloads/speer/reloading-pdfs/rifle/35_Whelen_250.pdf

Cheers! Bob F.

It appears that I was wrong. I find it interesting comparing reloading details from different companies can be so different. The numbers that you have shown me are not reflected in the nosler or speer reloading manuals I have. I do trust sierra data and my old gunsmith swore by thier bullets. I will have to finally spend some time with my 35 whelen.

 

[MS 9x56]

Since I already have a 250-3000, I will go with the 338-06.