Lol Bob i know the 270 is a great cartridge but it never pulled my strings like some others have. I just saw that my original post had a typo, I have plans for a 257WBY but I don't actually own one yet. My meager stable of bolt guns is: 243, 308, (2)30-06, 300WM, 338WM (that one is actually a Belgium made BAR), 340WBY, 35Whelen, 375H&H, 416 Ruger and 460WBY. A 458WM, 257WBY and 416 Rigby are on my short list of 'will haves' with the 257 probably the next one. I don't have very many gaps in my lineup until you get to the 500's I'm just trying to figure out what to make this ugly Savage into. BTW you are absolutely right about the 35Whelen, I love that rifle.