WARNING: Don’t fly United Airlines to Canada with firearms

For the first time in 7 round trips spanning 20 years through Canada, I had problems with Canadian Customs. I will detail it in my hunt report.

The shift in attitude in Canadian customs is remarkable. When the boomers and subsequent gen-Xers were in charge I never had problems.

Now, I will never cross with rifles and pistols again. I’ll FFL to Three Bears and pick them up in Tok, Delta Junction, or Wasilla
 
Yes, that's normal. I cross the border here all the time and occasionally on the Canadian side my vehicle is searched. Sometimes it's because it's just my turn and sometimes it's because I've picked up loading components. I don't believe I have ever been vehicle checked returning from Montana from hunting. Maybe, but rare. And I return "home" every year to hunt. They always ask what I am bringing back and if the guns are unloaded. And of course they want to see my gun license. Don't believe anyone has asked to see my hunting license. Usually birds are in the cooler in carrier on top or on the hitch. They often ask how many and I explain the possession limit. Deer meat stays behind to be processed into sausage and shipped to the border later.

Only once was I hassled about guns and it was my fault. My brother shipped a shotgun to me and I drove down to pick it up. Happened to be trap league night so I took my regular shotgun and ammo along because the club would be on the way back home. At the border the young guy working the window asked me if I had anything to declare and I declared the shotgun I just picked up and produced a bill of sale. "Oh, a Citori! Those are nice." Turns out he hunts birds and didn't even know there was a shotgun club in the area. Okay, I have to go in to pay the sales tax etc. Fine, but I'm met by a young guy and gal agent as I'm walking in. They want to inspect the vehicle. I smiled "Oh, I mentioned guns and have an American passport." They smiled. But I've got three dogs in the vehicle that I need to get out. Fine. So I walk to the Jimmy and go to open the door. "No, you can't do that.". But I need to get the leashes. Oh, right. Okay. I unloaded the dogs and left the tailgate down. Started to walk away. "Wait, here's the keys. You'll need to unlock the cartop carrier if you want to look at the other gun." They look at each other. "What other gun?" Oh shit! Got to yacking with the guy at the window and forgot I had the trap gun in the car and didn't declare it. Bringing an undeclared carton of cigarettes across might get someone in a little trouble but an undeclared gun is a whole lot of trouble! They did their inspection, checked serial numbers and found the 50K of coke hidden in the seat :D. I waited inside. "You know, we could confiscate that gun." Yes, and that would be appropriate under the circumstances. Then I'll drive home and return with the bill of sale. I also have a ton of old photos on my phone that support me owning the gun for years. "Okay, let's see some of those." They clearly enjoyed looking at a decade's worth of hunting photos. "Good enough. Sorry to be a bother." No problem. My fault. "Just don't let the guy at the window get in trouble for not asking me if I had any other guns." They agreed all swept under the rug. I paid my duty and that was that.

The agents on either side do not want you touching or near the vehicle while they are doing their search, for obvious reasons of personal safety. Also to eliminate a lot of belly-aching while they are trying to do their job. Looking for smuggled guns is a big part of their job because we have a big problem with illegal guns coming out of the US. It's a fact. Is what it is. I don't like gun smugglers or drug smugglers and happy to put up with any personal inconvenience to help stop it. I look on it as my civic duty. Like paying taxes.

That’s probably why you fit in better in Ontario. More of a compliant Subject mentality.

The Border agents have your entire life’s history on file. And yet they waste time asking ridiculous rudimentary “detectives” questions on what they know is a compliant citizen. It’s a lazy persons way wasting the day.

The last time one of those Barney’s acted like he was inspector Clouseau I couldn’t help myself and told them. Yep I’ve been evading you for decades. You finally got the Outlaw Josie Wales. I was stupid enough to cross the Canadian border to go fishing or grouse hunting and you got me.

Knowing full well they could see my entire life’s history. But still feel the need to screw with law abiding citizens.

I’m a law abiding citizen. But I’m not some Barney Fifes subject.
 
This is common with Air Canada for not transferring the firearms so not sure why everyone is beating on United. Technically not supposed to travel without firearms on your plane. In addition, Air Canada may not have even loaded the firearm on the initial flight to Chicago. Air Canada is anti-gun with no accountability and are lazy SOBs. My son and I arrived three hours early in Edmonton for a flight to Denver and still almost missed our flight because the Air Canada agent was so slow. Only about ten people in line and took hours. The agent actually left several of us standing there and took a half hour break as well. Work ethic of Air Canada employees sucks. Our firearms did not arrive either and took two days to get them. I had to go back to Denver to retrieve them.
 
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The shift in attitude in Canadian customs is remarkable. When the boomers and subsequent gen-Xers were in charge I never had problems

No way man, I had a boomer anti hunter at the recheck in Toronto, she was determined to have me miss my flight, like was almost openingly hostile to me. A younger lady (about my age) was extremely helpful, looked at my paperwork once and sent me on my way.

It just depends on who you get, and who wants to be a pain that day. Canadian customs has always been awesome (at least for me).
 
My grandfather hunted Canada extensively in the 1950s and 60s (moose, caribou, bear, etc.). He simply drove across the border back then.

In view of the hassles I've read here and there, I'll probably pass on hunting Canada.
I rarely visit the place anymore as it is. Their Covid border closing was absurd.
 
That’s probably why you fit in better in Ontario. More of a compliant Subject mentality.

The Border agents have your entire life’s history on file. And yet they waste time asking ridiculous rudimentary “detectives” questions on what they know is a compliant citizen. It’s a lazy persons way wasting the day.

The last time one of those Barney’s acted like he was inspector Clouseau I couldn’t help myself and told them. Yep I’ve been evading you for decades. You finally got the Outlaw Josie Wales. I was stupid enough to cross the Canadian border to go fishing or grouse hunting and you got me.

Knowing full well they could see my entire life’s history. But still feel the need to screw with law abiding citizens.

I’m a law abiding citizen. But I’m not some Barney Fifes subject.
I was always a bit annoyed when driving across the border and always being asked (on either side) "Where are you from?" Gees, you've got my passport in your hand! Only just recently discovered my passport doesn't have my home address! And neither does my Canadian Permanent Resident Card. So, don't embarrass yourself jumping on the border guys for asking a "dumb question."

With your boastful noncompliant attitude I can understand why you might get hassled by border agents. Like everyone else in this world some are assholes (ring a bell?). But most just want to do the job and go home ... like everyone else. I've run into a couple of bad apples on both sides but considering how many times every year/month I'm back and forth crossing into US/Canada, overall my experience has been customs agents on both sides are great people.
 
“With your boastful noncompliant attitude I can understand why you might get hassled by border agents. Like everyone else in this world some are assholes (ring a bell?). But most just want to do the job and go home ... like everyone else. I've run into a couple of bad apples on both sides but considering how many times every year/month I'm back and forth crossing into US/Canada, overall my experience has been customs agents on both sides are great people.”

You are correct on that particular day. I had the time to make a point. I pulled two layers of U.S. border supervision into my intentional protest that day. It had been building with their ridiculous behavior for years.

Some time I’ll share a great bear hunt crossing made miserable by the U.S. side that lead to my decision to push back that one day.

This day I was assisting a friend for his family’s first trip to South Africa and with his first customs personal property form 4457.

I live along Lake Huron and it’s a :20 drive south to the closest border crossing. As kids we drove across that bridge at least weekly. Sports, family, concerts, bars, hunting, fishing etc.
I’ve dealt with hundreds of Michigan and Canadian border employees over decades with utmost respect and zero issues.

That day I finally had the luxury of ignoring someone trying their whole 30 days of Jedi mind game interrogation skills on me.

It took two layers above to tell him to knock it off. After my snickering, smart ass Outlaw Josie Wales response.

Turns out. When you have a clean record and time. It can be fun dealing with someone on a power trip and out over their skis.
 
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I'll go into a rochambeau knowing I'm getting kicked first before I'll fly UA or Delta with a rifle, doesn't matter what the destination is.

 
Far cry from the days when i flew Texas International. They'd frisk you down and if they didn't find a firearm they'd loan you one.
 
Alaska airlines totally sucks too they lost my birddogs and bags .I got bribed at atlanta airport to find my dogs and bags for $100 last year .I had the same thing happen before .I was flying Delta once they lost my safari case with 6 guns on it and all my baggage .It came two weeks later flying sucks these days .They took the guy beside me moose meat 300 pounds let him have 100 .I got delayed by tsa 3 hours waiting on them to check my dogs them they ramsacked my luggage stole a bunch of stuff .Atlanta airport sucks
 
I’ve had more firearms issues with United than any other airline. I only fly them as a last resort and have come to expect an issue now.

They often make and cite interesting “rules” without being able to show where they are in their policy. Air Tag on the firearms and a specific Phone Number normally quickly cuts through the BS.
 
Although I don’t like the Airport in Qatar. Dubai is much better. Emirates and Qatar will not allow you to be separated from your firearms.
 
Just flew in/out via Winnipeg on United. No issues, in fact, Canadian customs was helpful and firearm friendly.

Hate that you had issues.
My experiences with Canadian Customs the last two trips this month were nothing but positive. I have always found them to be courteous and helpful.

United Airlines caused the problem by citing what is apparently a non-existent rule that you must travel with your firearm.
 
I left Deer Lake, NL on Air Canada and my bags are tagged to San Antonio since United and Air Canada code share.

When I made my connection to Chicago in Toronto the gate agent would not let me board, said I cannot fly without my weapon.

They blamed it on Air Canada for not transferring the bags. I am now overnighting in Chicago at my expense and getting home 13 hours later. All of this for nearly $3k in flight fees.

When I asked if this was a United rule the gate agent said no, it’s a general rule. I told her two and a half weeks ago I flew home on Air Canada and my gun didn’t show up. So, I said why did they let me fly? Her answer, Air Canada does whatever they want up here.

Never again will I fly United with a firearm.

John Ed
Sorry to hear this. Thanks for letting us know about the situation. Seems we just can't check through with guns no matter if the airlines codeshare or not. Have to hand recheck I suppose no matter what!
 
Yep. AirTags can cut through the bullshit fast. As can the right phone number or email address. Last month Air Canada kept saying my guns and trophy crate were still in Zurich but the AirTags showed they had finally made it to Pearson in Toronto. We sent them images and then they started ghosting my local airport baggage commander. Really pissed him off too. In the middle of the night I fired off an email to Ontario Firearms Officer with a formal letter attached that threatened to go public (most of the media in Canada are equally hateful of guns and airlines). At six in the morning a restricted number attempted to call my cell that had died. At eight the AirTags were moving and when my baggage guy went to work at nine there was a message waiting that the stuff would be on the next plane to him (two days late).

My computer bag was stolen off my trolley at Pearson while I was trying to report the missing luggage. It had all my gun and trophies documentation. Fortunately, I had images on my phone. A young customs agent was very helpful. She took me to a copy shop in the airport and printed them, paying with her card. She insisted. "You've had a bad day. Let me help make it better." She promised to personally get the stuff through customs as soon as it arrived (and she did). Then she took me to airport police. Before writing a report the officer took me to Starbucks and told me to have a coffee while he went to baggage carousels to check the scene of the crime. He returned in twenty minutes with my computer bag. All he would say was "Someone made a mistake." He obviously knew who had it (there are security cameras at carousels). I suspect some Hindu baggage ape was standing at the unemployment office the next day with a big dirty boot print on the arse of his pants. I barely had time to make my connecting flight home.
 
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Sorry to hear this. Thanks for letting us know about the situation. Seems we just can't check through with guns no matter if the airlines codeshare or not. Have to hand recheck I suppose no matter what!
Nope. I've been to Africa five times through Europe and every time booked on different Star Alliance airlines (Air Canada, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss Air, and South African Airlines). Checked the guns in and don't see them again until arriving in destination country ... unless they didn't get loaded on my plane, which only happened twice: once in Zurich last month and once domestic in Canada after I got them through customs at Toronto.

Does sound like United is not doing their part in the Star Alliance. The airlines I dealt with did not require me to manually recheck the guns when I switched airlines.
 
Nope. I've been to Africa five times through Europe and every time booked on different Star Alliance airlines (Air Canada, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss Air, and South African Airlines). Checked the guns in and don't see them again until arriving in destination country ... unless they didn't get loaded on my plane, which only happened twice: once in Zurich last month and once domestic in Canada after I got them through customs at Toronto.

Does sound like United is not doing their part in the Star Alliance. The airlines I dealt with did not require me to manually recheck the guns when I switched airlines.
What @Philip Glass is saying is that it can be a better idea to claim and recheck than relying on firearms to transfer. I don’t think he said it is required but might prevent some problems. I’ve done it when I start out on a US airline with my second flight being with Qatar. I’ve also done it twice in Johannesburg when I had a long eight hour layover there because I have witnessed firearms getting forgotten there and not loaded on connecting flights.
 
Nope. I've been to Africa five times through Europe and every time booked on different Star Alliance airlines (Air Canada, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss Air, and South African Airlines). Checked the guns in and don't see them again until arriving in destination country ... unless they didn't get loaded on my plane, which only happened twice: once in Zurich last month and once domestic in Canada after I got them through customs at Toronto.

Does sound like United is not doing their part in the Star Alliance. The airlines I dealt with did not require me to manually recheck the guns

Whenever I traveled, and my bags have been tagged all the way home, even utilizing two different carriers that code share I’ve never had to recheck
 

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