Scent Control Questions for Safari Concession Owners/Managers

I'm convinced beyond any doubt that scent control works, but only if it's complete. Boots, clothes, pack, gun or bow, body soap, shampoo, even toothpaste and mouthwash have to be part of the plan. You can't do everything else, then use minty toothpaste and mouthwash and expect good results.

Whitetails are especially vulnerable to cover scents, like the Conquest Evercalm (Herd in a stick). A cover scent is just as important as scent control.

The problem comes when everyone else in the hunting party isn't on the same sheet of music. When members of your hunting party are wearing boots soaked in petrol from fueling the vehicle, and trackers smell like an NFL locker room, results might be less than optimal.

You can't fly like an Eagle when you're working with turkeys so to speak.
 
Obviously the most important is to hunt the wind. But sent control helps keeping your scent funnel smaller. More scent the longer distance it carries.
 
My grandfater shot many many bucks with a lit cheeroot hanging out of his mouth. He always said wind was the important thing.
I have shot over 70 deer here in Michigan never worried about sent just the wind. I always hunt on the ground and have shot deer with bow, crossbow and rifle. Many of them closer than 10 yards. If they get downwind it's a deal breaker every time.
 
I'm convinced beyond any doubt that scent control works, but only if it's complete. Boots, clothes, pack, gun or bow, body soap, shampoo, even toothpaste and mouthwash have to be part of the plan. You can't do everything else, then use minty toothpaste and mouthwash and expect good results.

Whitetails are especially vulnerable to cover scents, like the Conquest Evercalm (Herd in a stick). A cover scent is just as important as scent control.

The problem comes when everyone else in the hunting party isn't on the same sheet of music. When members of your hunting party are wearing boots soaked in petrol from fueling the vehicle, and trackers smell like an NFL locker room, results might be less than optimal.

You can't fly like an Eagle when you're working with turkeys so to speak.
We will have to agree to disagree. I really do believe it is little value. But if it gives the hunter confidence, it is his time and effort.

Thirty years ago at Fort Sill I found myself bowhunting from a stand wearing the latest equivalent of a Nuclear Biological & Chemical (NBC) charcoal lined odor suppressant camo outfit from Cabalas. At same time a young captain in my battalion readily stalked with his bow and killed huge whitetail every season wearing jeans and a brown shirt. I asked him how he did it. Is answer was "I don't give them the opportunity to smell me." It was a revelation that has worked perfectly for me ever since.
 
A tree surgeon bud who would work all day in the early fall season when it was in the 70's then hunted after he was done working. He smelled like two stroke gas/oil mix, bar oil, wood chips, sweat and he smoked. He's killed more big bucks with a crossbow than most. I'm taking a shower with the prerequisite snake oil and deodorant before going out, wearing the trick camo, and using cover scent and all I see are spikes..
 
We will have to agree to disagree. I really do believe it is little value. But if it gives the hunter confidence, it is his time and effort.

Thirty years ago at Fort Sill I found myself bowhunting from a stand wearing the latest equivalent of a Nuclear Biological & Chemical (NBC) charcoal lined odor suppressant camo outfit from Cabalas. At same time a young captain in my battalion readily stalked with his bow and killed huge whitetail every season wearing jeans and a brown shirt. I asked him how he did it. Is answer was "I don't give them the opportunity to smell me." It was a revelation that has worked perfectly for me ever since.
The reason I'm so convinced is because I've stalked very close to Deer that were downwind of me. If it happened only once, I'd consider it a fluke, but I've done it quite a few times.

Again, it only worked when I paid attention to every detail from head to toe. There is no clothing, no spray, no soap that will eliminate all scent on its own. It must be a complete system including toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, etc.

I'll give toothpaste and mouthwash as examples. The average resting adult processes about 360 to 480 liters air per hour. This total comes from a normal breathing rate of 12 to 15 breaths per minute and a tidal volume of about 0.5 liters per breath. This totals 8300 liters or 2193 gallons of air every 24 hours. Combine this with the new toothpaste like Colgate max fresh, and you are expelling a large volume of mint scent for extended periods. A carbon suit is not going to have any effect on this.

Boots are another good example. Most guys will sprayed down the outside of their boots just before walking to the blind. Problem is, most of the scent comes from the inside. Take a sniff of the inside of any of your boots that you've used for more than one season and you'll see most of them stink, but most hunters do nothing at all about it. A boot and shoe dryer with a scent wafer will knock most of that out overnight, but most hunters think if they use a special bar of soap, it's job done.
 
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My grandfater shot many many bucks with a lit cheeroot hanging out of his mouth. He always said wind was the important thing.
I have shot over 70 deer here in Michigan never worried about sent just the wind. I always hunt on the ground and have shot deer with bow, crossbow and rifle. Many of them closer than 10 yards. If they get downwind it's a deal breaker every time.

While I think the scent control matters some, I also know that sometimes the deer just fail to notice. Still hunting from a stand can be hours of boredom punctuated by moments of excitement. I am old enough and have killed so many deer that I rarely care if I ever shoot one. To combat boredom, I will sometimes sit in a folding chair on by chosen stand with a nice H. Upmann cigar. I have had big bucks in rut walk right up to me with that cigar smoldering. It is exciting to try to find a flat place on the stump so the cigar does not set fire to the hills all while keeping my eyes glued to the buck and blindly reaching for my rifle which is leaned against the same stump.

A couple years ago a young button buck walked up to me as I was standing at my tree. I was not going to shoot him so, I decided to play with him. I had the cigar lit and stood there staring at him. Then I waved my left arm up and down. Nothing. Then the right arm up and down. Nothing. I waved both arms and said "Baaaah" like a doe bleat. Nothing. Then he walked closer until he got within about 15y of my position. Finally, he got wind of something and his flag went up but instead of running, he simply sauntered at an angle up the hill past me and out of sight. The dumb ones sadly do not live very long and a meat hunter would have tagged his ass.
 
I’m a skeptic when it comes to this. Most game animals have a sense of smell that is orders of magnitude ahead of ours. I suspect that they can smell people with or without detergent perfumes, so called sent-blockers, shower or no shower. Maybe all of these efforts make a small difference, but probably only a small difference.
I am right there with you. I read this a while back, from Missouri's Department of Conservation:

STRANGE BUT TRUE: White-tailed deer detect odors 500 to 1,000 times better than people can.

I suspect that other species are similar to this as well. This is actually higher than dogs, and dogs can smell dead things buried deep underground. You washing in unscented soaps isn't doing shit. We as humans overthink this stuff so much its crazy. Camo isn't some miracle cure, neither is scent control. Movement and being downwind are far more important.
 
While I think the scent control matters some, I also know that sometimes the deer just fail to notice. Still hunting from a stand can be hours of boredom punctuated by moments of excitement. I am old enough and have killed so many deer that I rarely care if I ever shoot one. To combat boredom, I will sometimes sit in a folding chair on by chosen stand with a nice H. Upmann cigar. I have had big bucks in rut walk right up to me with that cigar smoldering. It is exciting to try to find a flat place on the stump so the cigar does not set fire to the hills all while keeping my eyes glued to the buck and blindly reaching for my rifle which is leaned against the same stump.

A couple years ago a young button buck walked up to me as I was standing at my tree. I was not going to shoot him so, I decided to play with him. I had the cigar lit and stood there staring at him. Then I waved my left arm up and down. Nothing. Then the right arm up and down. Nothing. I waved both arms and said "Baaaah" like a doe bleat. Nothing. Then he walked closer until he got within about 15y of my position. Finally, he got wind of something and his flag went up but instead of running, he simply sauntered at an angle up the hill past me and out of sight. The dumb ones sadly do not live very long and a meat hunter would have tagged his ass.
Young bucks aren't that bright, but if you can fool an old doe? ;)
 
While I think the scent control matters some, I also know that sometimes the deer just fail to notice. Still hunting from a stand can be hours of boredom punctuated by moments of excitement. I am old enough and have killed so many deer that I rarely care if I ever shoot one. To combat boredom, I will sometimes sit in a folding chair on by chosen stand with a nice H. Upmann cigar. I have had big bucks in rut walk right up to me with that cigar smoldering. It is exciting to try to find a flat place on the stump so the cigar does not set fire to the hills all while keeping my eyes glued to the buck and blindly reaching for my rifle which is leaned against the same stump.

A couple years ago a young button buck walked up to me as I was standing at my tree. I was not going to shoot him so, I decided to play with him. I had the cigar lit and stood there staring at him. Then I waved my left arm up and down. Nothing. Then the right arm up and down. Nothing. I waved both arms and said "Baaaah" like a doe bleat. Nothing. Then he walked closer until he got within about 15y of my position. Finally, he got wind of something and his flag went up but instead of running, he simply sauntered at an angle up the hill past me and out of sight. The dumb ones sadly do not live very long and a meat hunter would have tagged his ass.
Cigars or cigarettes have no effect on game other than if the animal can smell the cigar it can smell the smoker.
 
The reason I'm so convinced is because I've stalked very close to Deer that were downwind of me. If it happened only once, I'd consider it a fluke, but I've done it quite a few times.

Again, it only worked when I paid attention to every detail from head to toe. There is no clothing, no spray, no soap that will eliminate all scent on its own. It must be a complete system including toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, etc.

I'll give toothpaste and mouthwash as examples. The average resting adult processes about 360 to 480 liters air per hour. This total comes from a normal breathing rate of 12 to 15 breaths per minute and a tidal volume of about 0.5 liters per breath. This totals 8300 liters or 2193 gallons of air every 24 hours. Combine this with the new toothpaste like Colgate max fresh, and you are expelling a large volume of mint scent for extended periods. A carbon suit is not going to have any effect on this.

Boots are another good example. Most guys will sprayed down the outside of their boots just before walking to the blind. Problem is, most of the scent comes from the inside. Take a sniff of the inside of any of your boots that you've used for more than one season and you'll see most of them stink, but most hunters do nothing at all about it. A boot and shoe dryer with a scent wafer will knock most of that out overnight, but most hunters think if they use a special bar of soap, it's job done.
You should do what makes you feel like improves your odds while hunting. But, that truly sounds insane to me. If I thought it necessary to go to that trouble, I would not hunt. I would love to see the scientific evidence and actual study that proved a toothpaste or mouthwash has any meaningful effect on any human odor other than brief relief of halitosis.

There was an actual study done by the USDA in the early 2000's that demonstrated that scent blocking clothing had little to no effect on search and rescue dogs in either finding the human target or in the time it took. It was written up in one of the outdoor rags at the time. I am sure it can be googled. Of course the subjects of that test probably weren't brushing their teeth with a magic elixir. :cool:

I should note that all reputable studies of which I am aware indicate that complex prey animals like deer have more advanced scent sensory capability than predators like dogs.
 
You should do what makes you feel like improves your odds while hunting. But, that truly sounds insane to me. If I thought it necessary to go to that trouble, I would not hunt.
It's really no trouble at all. I buy one of the Dead Down Wind kits with unscented versions of the hygiene products that all of us use every day. I simply swap one for the other. Purchased at the end of the season when it's marked 50% off and saved until the next year, I'm out maybe $20.

I would love to see the scientific evidence and actual study that proved a toothpaste or mouthwash has any meaningful effect on any human odor other than brief relief of halitosis.
I think you misunderstand me. It doesn't have any effect on human odor, it just doesn't contain any added scent.

As for studies of human odor, Realtree has published several studies.

In a lab at Mississippi State University (MSU), researchers were working on ways to best collect and analyze volatile organic compounds (VOCs) from human body odor. Their goal was to use VOC detection to diagnose and monitor human diseases like diabetes. But their research led to a unique collaboration with the MSU wildlife department, which was studying and testing odor-reducing products for deer hunters.

Human scent is a complex mixture of hundreds of compounds given off by bacteria that live in our bodies and on our skin. Scent compounds also come from the human body itself when it breaks down molecules to make energy. The odors are emitted through the skin and breath. These substances — the VOCs — evaporate into the air and can spook deer when you're hunting.

Figuring out which specific ingredients of body odor spook deer is a challenge, the MSU researchers said. Each of us emits a unique scent, and that scent varies depending on what and when we eat, drink, exercise and sweat. To get a cross-section of scents, the researchers collected body odor samples from 65 people who for hours wore either an untreated T-shirt or a T-shirt treated with a spray designed to eliminate or mask a hunter's body odor.

The researchers tested four scent-eliminating sprays out of dozens on the market, though they did not identify specific brands. Based on analysis of the hundreds of VOCs emitted by the 65 people, researchers found that the sprays worked by greatly reducing the levels of 29 key compounds, either by killing bacteria, binding to the chemicals, or converting them into less volatile compounds.

There was an actual study done by the USDA in the early 2000's that demonstrated that scent blocking clothing had little to no effect on search and rescue dogs in either finding the human target or in the time it took. It was written up in one of the outdoor rags at the time. I am sure it can be googled. Of course the subjects of that test probably weren't brushing their teeth with a magic elixir. :cool:
I remember the study well. If we think about it, the test was not very scientific. It only proved that the dog could still find a test subject wearing specific clothing. There was no baseline of human scent, or control of variables, etc.

Mythbusters did several tests with Carbon odor elimination suits, and although fun to watch, it was less than scientific.

The scent followed by a tracking dog would come from the specific footwear the test subject was wearing, not an article of clothing covering the rest of the body.

Also, I've never claimed that any suit or scent blocking clothing works. To think that a suit alone will remove all human scent is not logical, therefore I've never used one.
I should note that all reputable studies of which I am aware indicate that complex prey animals like deer have more advanced scent sensory capability than predators like dogs.
That is 100% true, and I don't contest the fact.

I'm not likely to change your mind, and I respect that.

My contention is that by reducing odors, both human and those unfamiliar to deer, like artificial perfumes, you can stalk and kill Deer at archery ranges even when upwind. I will never claim that human odor can be eliminated, only reduced to a level that animals do not perceive an immediate threat.
 
I hunted bear over bait in Maine and the outfitters were pretty stern on scent control, no food in the stand and some sort of homemade bug repellent. I did the best I could but leaving for the stands in one of the camp Suburbans with two other hunters, one who always smelled like he had a hot date. Hunted five mornings and five evenings and saw one bear. From what I gather, bears have a good nose.
 
I think in some terrain a soft soled, quieter boot can help and make a difference, as opposed to a Keene or Merrill type hiking boot. I avoid some of the water proof fabrics, often found in jackets and pants, as they can be quite noisy as well. Who knows, maybe even those Rhodesian shorty shorts are quieter too. :unsure:

One place I hunted in Zululand had dog shampoo in the showers at camp. They recommended using it to help prevent ticks, which carried diseases and were prolific. There was nothing a human was going to do to mask the scent of that stuff. I think it was made to cover up “wet dog” smell. We still had a successful hunt.

I’ll just try and keep the wind at my face and the sun at my back, stay in line behind the PH and make as little noise as possible. They seem to appreciate that.
 
If the wind isn’t in your favour when you are hunting you are screwed. Animals senses are on a level way above ours. Scent blockers are great profit makers for the retailers. I will admit however to not using optical brighteners in my washing powder.
 
I used to fall for the scent free mania. Sure it helps to minimize the smell so can’t be smelled 1 mile away, but if an animal gets down wind you’re screwed. Period.

Many animals can discern dozens if not more different smells at the same time. So to an animal, you will just smell like a scent Free soap, gun oil, Bacon breathed human.
 
Most important is the wind direction and after that wind direction and after that the wind direction. You get the picture.

When still hunting yes it can be a factor but in the end even that is depending on the wind direction.
 
Scent confusion is what is all about.
Stay up drinking. If you don’t drink splash what ever spirts are there in your hair.
Wash your face and pits with scent free soap.
Use a Chanel #5 perfumed scent drag.
Gun oil behind the ears.
Lit cigarette clipped to your hat.
Roll around or stomp around in what ever fresh dung you first come upon.

I think that ought to confuse any critters nose.
 
If I saw anyone rolling around like that, I'd definitely be confused! :ROFLMAO:
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I’ve hunted public land my whole life and have bowhunted public for over 25 years. I’ve had countless hogs, deer and black bears around me, under my climber and all three species within 10-15’ on the ground without busting me. I stopped using scent control 15 years ago. It’s all about the wind and specific animal. I’ve had bucks hit my scent down wind of me and just look and not care. And I’ve watched them look like you hit them with a rock when they crossed my scent trail. Being down wind of an animal is the only real way I can imagine you beating their nose.
I haven’t seen a safari video yet that shows those animals being more sensitive to scent than anything anywhere else.

And like REDLEG said they have done tests with scent control vs sweaty person vs chem suits and the sweaty person did the best against a dog. I’m pretty sure a deers nose is better than a dogs so I don’t know how you beat it other than being down wind.
 

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