Will reloading disapear with the new too lazy to do it generation

To each their own and I'm happy that people have the option to reload if they want. But its weird to take shots at people who would rather spend their time in the field/shooting than in a poorly lit basement fiddling with dies and scales and books.
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You're not wrong; I would not handload for a hunting-purpose 300WM, one of the most popular, accurate, and extensively tested cartridges around (because of military/police adoption, along with the 308Win and 30-06). There are so many loads to choose from, handloading doesn't make time/money/accuracy/reliability sense- for a hunter. That's for any of the popular, mainline cartridges.

I started loading because I wanted to shoot black powder cartridges in rifle and revolver; ain't gonna find that on any shelf. 300BO and 458SOCOM are ideal handloading candidates also because they are either expensive because of hype (300) or available only from specialty loaders (458). All the large bore cartridges are good handload candidates since they are niche with fewer loads to choose from, rarely/never stocked in LGSs and more expensive. Especially for the DG cartridges where one might want to practice CQB maneuvers (multiple shots, reloading, moving, etc.) with lighter loads for more reps, handloading is the only way.

I enjoy fiddling more than shooting and I don't hunt; I prefer the basement dwelling, only my area is on the main floor with decent lighting. And I wear a headlight while I'm loading for even better visibility. Yes, I'm a dork.
 
I think a lot of it is driven by the firearms that younger people tend to shoot, and the type of shooting they tend to do with them.

If your shooting involves plinking with a .22lr, a 223, a 9mm pistol and you're doing something like 2 gun that doesn't need incredibly high levels of accuracy, it's hard to justify reloading. You'll not save any money, you can easily source factory ammo, and any accuracy gains you see are functionally irrelevant, so why spend the time?

Same thing if you're a casual hunter. Yes, reloads probably do have higher accuracy potential in .308, 6.5CM, 270, 300wm etc. But if factory gives you <1" at 100 and <3" at 300, the limiting factor is almost certainly shooter skill, so who cares?

There's also the volume of shooting you're doing. Maybe it takes 2000 rounds to recoup the initial spend on kit, after which reloading is 'officially' saving you money. Those 2000 rounds could be a few months shooting. It might be 10 years. If you're a casual plinker or a hunter who might only get through 100 or 200 rounds a year, ROI might be poor enough to not bother.

Then there's the initial expenditure. If you're young and poor, you might have $40 spare in your budget for a range session each month. But $500 upfront for reloading kit is a serious financial commitment. Maybe you straight up don't have the cash. Sure, spending it might save you cash in the long run, but are you really going to stick it on a credit card today? Are you going to spend that cash on reloading over new tires for the car? The cost of being poor.


I've found this with my own reloading. For me, it's not a hobby, it isn't fun, it's just something I do to support my shooting.

I'll do it if:
a. it saves money
b. it provides useful accuracy
c. it's the only way to consistently source ammo.

On that basis, I reload for competition rifles (because I need the accuracy). I reload for .375H&H (to save money and to maintain consistent supply). I reload 44mag (because I want to shoot .44spl loadings with hardcast bullets and there's not many factory options). In the past I used to load .270win in the UK because ammo is expensive there. I wouldn't bother in the US.

With the generally pretty good factory options available today, I'd say that the accuracy benefits are only 'truly' a benefit to the pretty serious competition shooter doing something like Precision Rifle, Bench Rest, etc. I don't really think it's a genuine benefit for any hunter, and I don't think many shooters are good enough to take advantage. Decent factory is going to easily hold under MOA. Good factory can manage half of that. The bar for improvement is now very high.

As an example, I'm very confident that my 375H&H hand loads are better than factory, but I'm equally confident that for the type of shooting that I use that rifle for, I'm not better than factory ammo.

Cost savings are only really meaningful for niche (or large) cartridges really, so depends what you're shooting.

Same story for availability. No one is struggling to find 223 or 9mm ammo good enough to plink with. .470NE? A different story.
 
My brother has his 2 learning with him.
Some times he even has me help with case prep.

But over all there less people shooting and cost.
I know in high school 2 hr work would get a brick of 22 to go through on the weekend.
2 hr min wages here now 2-3 boxes.

The internet makes it where you can find less common ammo a lot easer.
I know as a kid you could find popular ammo at stores and feed stores and older ammo
But less popular stuff included a ride about 4 towns over to try and find.
 
I will say there are a tremendous amount of super high quality bullets available in factory ammo. Will they use your "dream" bullet? Maybe not. But the TBBC, the A-Frames, the Woodleigh hydro's, the Barnes TSX and solids and really most solids are pretty damn good. All can be found in volume in factory ammo for most calibers. Not always but between this site and ammoseek, you can source a flat out ton of stuff.

I say that and i'm struggling to find 7x57R in anything other than SB. Waiting for Norma to make a run and i'll load up for enough for forever for me.
 
A couple of years ago I gave my son-in-law a set of 308 dies for Christmas with invitation to use my equipment. He's yet to show up. They don't even change their own vehicle oil! Pay someone hundred plus for the labor to do that?

Another poster put it in the proper light I think. In my day we learned from our parents to take pride in doing for ourselves. They were raised during the Depression and had to. Whether canning food for the winter, fixing a bike or car, butchering game, or shovelling their driveway ... speaking of which ... dammit I see it is snowing AGAIN. Already piled 7' on both sides of my driveway. Break out the ibuprofen.

Seems McDonald's and KFC started my children down the path to non self-sufficience. When I was young my family was lucky if we ate out once a month. Difficult to arrange and expensive. Now I'd be surprised if my daughter doesn't order out for her family at least three times a week. And the crap they're eating is only shortening their lives.

The cost of components, the time needed to reload, and the indifference of the younger generation to doing things for themselves will undoubtedly make reloading an increasingly less popular hobby. Like fixing one's own car or sewing or knitting. All we can do is set an example and hope for the best.
 
Handloading will continue to be an important aspect, probably a necessity for those who use what is commonly referred to as obsolete or obscure cartridges, and for people that are interested taking those cartridges to a higher level. My list includes:

303 British
375 H&H
45 Long Colt
450 Bushmaster
458 SOCOM
45-90 WCF/Sharps
50-90 Sharps
 
After reading some of the posts on this thread, it got me thinking. I'm beginning to think that i'm not wrapped right. When I buy a rifle, I don't buy ammo. I buy, brass, dies, and bullets, I think I need help. :LOL::unsure:
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I like how the guys who want to quote the “hard times make strong men” lines are the ones who grew up in the easiest/best times America ever saw. So they’re really the soft men
 
I think the consistency of factory ammunition has improved so much that it’s less relevant now. More/better technology in terms of chronographs etc also means a lot of people have realised their reloads are actually not as good as the factory alternative.
True but I remember when federal was the poor man's ammo. The they became big and bigger. They bought out certain bullets and keep them for their own factory ammo and keep them off the reloading scene....grand slam etc. Swift's contracts are severely hindering the reloading market. Now, that they have that kind of control due to almost monopoly like powers of corporations, the ammo prices are ridiculous and they will not go down. Business is very reluctant to reduce prices even when the excuses that they used to increase the price no longer exist......much like unions. For those with unlimited moneys it is no problem, but for the rest of us it is an issue.
Reloading, hunting in general but especially big/dangerous game hunting is a dying breed or going to be a "Rare Breed". I think this is a reality.....any our thoughts about the future of our sport overall?
 
I like how the guys who want to quote the “hard times make strong men” lines are the ones who grew up in the easiest/best times America ever saw. So they’re really the soft men
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Reloading, hunting in general but especially big/dangerous game hunting is a dying breed or going to be a "Rare Breed". I think this is a reality.....any our thoughts about the future of our sport overall?

I have seen similar comments in this thread and plenty of others. But the numbers paint a VERY different picture.

More people are hunting than ever before. It may be a smaller % of society, but the raw numbers are higher than ever. Just look at how hard it has become to get tags to hunt anything out west. I used to get an Elk tag, a deer tag and a pronghorn tag in Colorado almost every year.

Now? The unit I like for Pronghorn is a 4-5 point unit. It used to be 1 or 2. My preferred Elk unit was OTC for 40+ years, now its a limited draw unit. Same with Muleys, units that used to be 1 or 2 points are now 6, or 7. Fewer tags are being offered to out of state residents because more people have moved out west and more are applying for the same or fewer tags.

I was reading through the White Sands Ibex hunt thread. Same thing there, thousands of people applying for a handful of tags. Outfitters pretty much naming their price, because the demand far outstrips the supply.
 
The cost of components, the time needed to reload, and the indifference of the younger generation to doing things for themselves will undoubtedly make reloading an increasingly less popular hobby. Like fixing one's own car or sewing or knitting. All we can do is set an example and hope for the best.
The history of handloading is what @Corylax18 said; penny-pinching curmudgeons in the basement- that's just a fact. Ye Olde RockChucker and such. However, there is a New Breed of handloader where money is no object and there are benches full of all manner of whiz-bang equipment setup to wring out maximum performance whether it's needed or not. Ultimate Reloader, F-Class John, Eric Cortina, etc. all of these YouTube reloaders are waving the flag and have the ability to draw in the next generation. That's another hallmark of this generation (maybe all generations?). They don't want dear old grandad to show them the old way; they want to learn it on their own in the new way IF they decide they want to take part.
 
I like how the guys who want to quote the “hard times make strong men” lines are the ones who grew up in the easiest/best times America ever saw. So they’re really the soft men
True. But we were raised by parents who survived the hard times of the Depression and WWII. Those hard times molded them and they molded us.
 
At my local Sporting range just about all of the kids 15 and up that are shooting competitively reload. Their instructors will set them all up. Same for kids coming up in USPSA and IPC.

The biggest issue I see is components. I have seen Hodgdon Clays selling sporadically since the pandemic. Have switched to Titegroup.

One thing you are right about though, I have gotten lazy.

 
I am 30 and grew up reloading with my dad and really enjoy it. Would do more if I had the time. I still buy half my ammo because of the time factor. For anyone getting started that just wants to hunt, it’s no way worth is to buy all the reloading components and put in all the time. Practice and plink with a .22, practice with your rifle with cheep PPU ammo and hunt with some premium ammo…

As for new generations being lazy, my wife and I work full careers a run our full time ranching business as well. All of our family and friends our age all work multiple careers and side hustles to and we all raise our kids as well… Lazy no…. There are lazy pice of s*** on all generations.

We are all working so hard to try an survive in a world where the government and older generations indebted future generations to pay for past consumption and inflated huge asset bubbles that mainly benefit them and leave the younger generations with, million dollar houses, endless regulations and 50 percent taxes that pay for the welfare state, of which any working age young people get nothing from.
 
It is not a question of the difference in price between the factory bullet and the one we load. I invested so much money in reloading that I could have spent my entire life hunting with the most expensive factory ammunition. I honestly believe that this is the case with most of you.
But...
The bullet we create has a special value. It creates complete pleasure in hunting. When you catch a big trophy with a bullet that you created, it is a complete and perfect experience.
In addition to this, by looking for the right recipe for a some bullet, we practice at the same time improves shooting skills. I wrote a book about reloading to make it easier for those who don't know this topic to start reloading. Personally, I reload for all my calibers and dont buying ammunition for a long time. I am very satisfied with what I do

Well said! I also take pleasure in loading my own ammo for everything including competition at the National Matches and dangerous game.

For common cartridges, factory ammo may be the same cost as loading your own, at least for the first firing. Reusing brass reduces the cost for the next 5 to 10 loadings.

For dangerous game cartridges, hand loading does reduce the average cost per round. Now if a hunter shoots only 20 rounds in practice prior to a hunt, the cost savings is irrelevant. If a hunter shoots 200 or more rounds in practice prior, the savings accumulate.

Like a lot of AH members who take pride in their ammo, My ammo is accurate for the intended rifle and each component used and each step in the loading process is carried out to near ISO 9000 level of precision. In simple terms, I and people like me have our shxt together!

Component selection is an advantage available to hand loaders. I prefer Cutting Edge Bullets’ Raptors and Solids. For these I reduce the powder charge slightly for the lighter Raptors to achieve the same point of impact as the solids.

For heavy recoiling cartridges I select faster burning powders to achieve desired muzzle velocity at a little less recoil.

As for availability of components, I keep two or more years stock on hand. We have lived through famine at least two times so why doesn’t everyone?

I understand there are those people who do not enjoy loading. I was a farm boy where we took care of everything ourselves. The Marines made me a radar maintainer and I retired as a maintenance officer. My equipment functioned as designed to deny the enemy airspace. Presently I own a large set of tools and equipment and still do nearly all repairs myself. I admit I avoid ladder work since I may no longer be indestructible!

The point of the above is I enjoy and take pride in building and maintaining “things”. If you do not then buy factory ammunition but for gosh sake do not disparage my and my fellow loaders’ hand loaded ammo!

To the OP’s question, there will always be those who like to load their own similar to those who hunt with recurve bows, flintlocks, and double rifles with metallic sights. How about us hunters wasting out time when we can buy meat at a butcher shop?
 
The history of handloading is what @Corylax18 said; penny-pinching curmudgeons in the basement- that's just a fact. Ye Olde RockChucker and such. However, there is a New Breed of handloader where money is no object and there are benches full of all manner of whiz-bang equipment setup to wring out maximum performance whether it's needed or not. Ultimate Reloader, F-Class John, Eric Cortina, etc. all of these YouTube reloaders are waving the flag and have the ability to draw in the next generation. That's another hallmark of this generation (maybe all generations?). They don't want dear old grandad to show them the old way; they want to learn it on their own in the new way IF they decide they want to take part.
I can tell you with farming that’s the truth.
I have tried to help 2 different people that came to me. I did not look them up to help.
( the internet says this the guy on YouTube said this .
This should work according to them.
No I don’t think it will.
How do you know.
I have done this for over 30 years.
Well things changed.
Ok do what you want.
Can you help the stuff for the comp did not work.
Yea remember when
I don’t need to hear I told you so.)
Some times it’s not worth it to help.
 
True. But we were raised by parents who survived the hard times of the Depression and WWII. Those hard times molded them and they molded us.
That’s true, it’s a slow slide generation to generation.
 
I'M AN OLD MAN, NEVER DONE IT PRETTY SURE NEVER WILL.
LIVING AND WORKING IN THE SOUTH WE HUSTLED YEAR ROUND, NEVER HAD THE WINTERS IN THE BASEMENT TO KILL TIME.
 

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