Politics

It was never about being green, it was about central control:

Kansas is increasing the license fee on electric & hybrid cars and trucks. Way to go, penalize people for cutting down on carbon emissions.
Mike

I mean, that was fairly inevitable, right?

Gas tax funds the road infrastructure. Now you're not only using that infrastructure, but doing so in a car that's 30% heavier than an ICE vehicle, with commensurately more wear.

Whilst you're trying to get people to adopt the new 'better' (not really, but pr), technology, you make it appealing to outweigh the early adopter inconvenience. Once it has some mass adoption, you do need to make up the lost revenue stream somehow. Could be now, could be next term, could be the one after that. The current political environment is permissive to such steps, so it make sense.

Personally, I think this is generally a good thing. Cut the EV incentives, make taxes equivalent for ICE vs EV, a level playing field. Let the market decide what it wants without government meddling.

I'd rather see taxes drop for ICE as a tool to do so than bump EV taxes, but I get it, gotta fund the road network somehow.

yamoon said:

Kansas is increasing the license fee on electric & hybrid cars and trucks. Way to go, penalize people for cutting down on carbon emissions.
Mike

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How much are you really cutting emissions? Al spinning reserve is gas fired. Line losses are as much as 35%, so it seems to me that all you are really doing is moving the point of emission at tremendous cost.

You are probably correct, but it is the optics of the thing, I also drive an F250 4x4, so I pay plenty of gas tax.
Mike

yamoon said:

You are probably correct, but it is the optics of the thing, I also drive an F250 4x4, so I pay plenty of gas tax.
Mike

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Sorry, as an engineer this entire movement is counterintuitive to me. I’ve yet to see a macro analysis that proves that this makes environmental or financial sense.

yamoon said:

Kansas is increasing the license fee on electric & hybrid cars and trucks. Way to go, penalize people for cutting down on carbon emissions.
Mike

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Well most EVs are heavier thus are more hazardous to other vehicles and drivers. They are heavier so do more road damage. They are more hazardous to emergency workers who have to deal with the hazardous materials and the greater fire and electrocution risks. The batteries and electronics components are hazmat so will have to dealt with locally. Globally, the raw material extraction then manufacture of the base components, primarily in places like China, is extremely environmentally damaging. Once the useful life of such components and vehicles is used up some can be recycled at great expense but other portions have to be stored in long term hazmat storage facilities. The carbon fiber and nano carbon fiber used in the frames and bodies of many of these vehicles, to help offset some of the greater mass of the battery, is currently considered hazmat so has to be stored in long term secure facilities. No one knows what to do with most of it, a situation similar to the dilemma associated with the carbon fiber primary structures of wind turbines. Much of that crap may have an environmental half life of millions of years or more. Then charging the EV batteries will require greater grid density of outlets and place a greater strain on the regional power grid. Just as with powering AI, the gas lighting continues about how increasing EV use won’t or doesn’t increase the cost of electricity to average consumer. Possibly the largest public gas lighting effort currently under way that is conveniently flying under the complicit MSM’s radar. Please explain the economic principle where increased demand without comparable increased supply doesn’t increase cost? No mystery at all why Kansas is considering increased fees. And I’m sure Waste Management ( aka Big Green) is busy lobbying conversely for more EV use without offset fee or penalty, After all they have continually attempted to corner much of the government contract market for handling and storing such waste. What a system…

yamoon said:

That’s why I won’t continue this thread. My wife and I were planning a cruise this fall from Boston up the northeast US and Canada coast, we are rethinking it now, we don’t want to visit a place where we are not welcome. Hopefully by late summer things will return to more normal with our northern neighbors.
Mike

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As I’ve posted before, you could not pay me enough to ever go back to Canada. I never lost nothing there anyway. For absolutely no reason, my family and I were treated extremely poorly by Canada government officials in 2017. Even the “average Joe” Air Canada clerk was a prick with an attitude. So no thanks!

Alistair said:

I mean, that was fairly inevitable, right?

Gas tax funds the road infrastructure. Now you're not only using that infrastructure, but doing so in a car that's 30% heavier than an ICE vehicle, with commensurately more wear.

Whilst you're trying to get people to adopt the new 'better' (not really, but pr), technology, you make it appealing to outweigh the early adopter inconvenience. Once it has some mass adoption, you do need to make up the lost revenue stream somehow. Could be now, could be next term, could be the one after that. The current political environment is permissive to such steps, so it make sense.

Personally, I think this is generally a good thing. Cut the EV incentives, make taxes equivalent for ICE vs EV, a level playing field. Let the market decide what it wants without government meddling.

I'd rather see taxes drop for ICE as a tool to do so than bump EV taxes, but I get it, gotta fund the road network somehow.

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Tax the fkn EV shit way more...heavier ...so more road damage...more rubber particles put into the air...more brake dust etc put into the air......green bullshit.......and as said all the lovely poisons put into the environment from the mining onwards.....gotta love those green fktards.....know what I would do with them.....but better keep mouth zipped ..

fourfive8 said:

As I’ve posted before, you could not pay me enough to ever go back to Canada. I never lost nothing there anyway. For absolutely no reason, my family and I were treated extremely poorly by Canada government officials in 2017. Even the “average Joe” Air Canada clerk was a prick with an attitude. So no thanks!

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I won’t go back either, been 5 times and the last time was 2003, treated like criminals at the border, checked 3 times in 1 day by the same game warden and to top it off when we went to the airport in Saskatoon to pick up another guy he never showed even though he was on the plane. This was Friday night and he had been arrested. Years earlier he had a DUI and was refused entry. They put him in a cell and told him a judge might approve his entry on Monday morning. He declined and went home on the next flight out. They finally paged me at about midnight and told me the story. He could’ve researched it and gotten pre approval but he didn’t know. His fault but all of the Canadian officials we met were rude as hell but the people and farmers were wonderful.

Best of luck Z, but we're not going to pay for it.

I have been to Canada at least a dozen times - probably closer to two dozen - and never had a bad experience. Canadian aviation security personnel and immigration agents have always been extremely competent and polite - something not always found at the end of a typical TSA or US customs que.

I’m willing to bet no one has had a worse experience entering Canada than we had bringing new boats into the u.s. for clients. We budgeted 15 grand for the damages. I’ve seen them go so far as to cut new still wrapped mattresses.

Brent in Az said:

Best of luck Z, but we're not going to pay for it.
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A brave man leading a courageous people in a noble cause. As much as I found the previous administration's Ukraine policy inexplicable, I find this one is utterly shameful.

yamoon said:

Sorry to hear of your bad experiences, I have been to Canada 3 times, not hunting just on vacation, we have been treated well each time.
Mike

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The first 4 times were wonderful, 1 time in British Columbia, 2 into Ontario and once to Quebec. But that last time put me over the edge. All fishing or sightseeing, no hunting on the first 4 trips.

Hunt anything said:

The first 4 times were wonderful, 1 time in British Columbia, 2 into Ontario and once to Quebec. But that last time put me over the edge. All fishing or sightseeing, no hunting on the first 4 trips.

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Some tourism but mainly hunting - all with my own firearms. Never an issue. Headed back next month for pike and lake trout. However, I definitely will not be wearing a MAGA hat.

Tubby’s Canteen said:

That is a perfect example of the problem, when did it become ok for the president of America to spout of nonsense and lies with no one holding him accountable. Why does he get a pass? He’s speaking on behalf of you and every other American citizen, at the head of the largest military in world and has access to nuclear weapons but when he spouts off randomly you all just brush it off.

If joe Biden had called into question the sovereignty of Canada , attempted territorial gains in Greenland and started a trade war would you all of brushed it off as “we don’t take him seriously”

@Hunt anything that is not a personal shot at you either simply using your post to make a point.

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How could any sane person take that wandering, babbling , incoherent lost fool seriously.. not only that but Barack Hussien o. said we had 57 states so at 51 we would be still behind . I GUESS THEY DONT TEACH MUCH AMERICAN HISTORY in Kenya or Indonesia or Hawaii or Havard or whereever he was schooled. lets see if we take Alberta, B.C. and Quebec leave them separated, forget Montreal, and BAJA Mexico, and Greenland we would almost be there. really though the last time we fought you guys over Vancouver Island, its was sort of a draw or was that the Hudson bay fur company we fought with. lets just get along and join, dont you want no income tax under 200,000$.

WAB said:

Why did Democrats align with George Bush after 911? Because we were a nation under attack and we aligned to fight a common enemy.

This seems to be a similar dynamic. Canadians feel that they are under attack. This doesn’t have to make sense to you, but it is their reality. The emotion you are seeing on this thread is indicative of what I saw with family and friends last weekend. And to be clear, these are very conservative folks. They feel that they are under attack and that Trump is in many instances over reaching his constitutional authority. This may not make sense from where you sit, but it certainly seems to be the reality on the ground.

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That all makes sense, but it still doesn't answer why vote liberal to combat the "attack."

The best analogy I can think of is Canadians voting liberal instead of conservative is cutting off their hands because their toes have frostbite. ... yes, they should be mad about the frostbite and want to do something about it, but the action doesn't meet the situation from my very far away porch view.

In full transparency, I know nothing about the candidates, so perhaps there is a connection there that would explain why a conservative vote is a vote to cave to Trump (and therefore understandably why some wouldn't want to). It would explain the "Why" that I cannot currently grasp. I'm mostly just thinking of it as a Vote for more Trudeau policies, or the alternative.

Red Leg said:

Some tourism but mainly hunting - all with my own firearms. Never an issue. Headed back next month for pike and lake trout. However, I definitely will not be wearing a MAGA hat.

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I can send you a maga hat if you need one , but a Carney hat might get you to the front of the line.
Or just gab a Canada the 51st t shirt