Mike LaGrange's rifles

[Wyatt Smith]

Fn49 ?

 

[bruce moulds]

can't remember.
bruce.

 

[Tam Dl]

A local supplier is selling Garand barrels in 9.3x62. Don't know where they got them.

 

[Paul grey]

Hey , everybody. During a previous thread , l mentioned a problem animal control officer by the name of Mr. Mike LaGrange . I read his book " Ballistics in Perspective " 10 years ago . Does anybody remember what rifles he used during his Elephant Culling ?
I seem to vaguely remember he used a an M1 Garand loaded with .30-06 A Square Monolithic solids , to cull Elephant. He also voiced mixed opinions about the .458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM.
I am hoping someone here either knew him or read his book to know what his battery exactly was.
Kind regards,
Hoss Delgado

FN .458 A square rounds if I remember correctly

 

[Paul grey]

Dragunovs ! I read Ganyana's article

Not true .458and . 375 were used .762 was used on much smaller animals

 

[tarbe]

Wasn't he pretty high on the 460 A-Square Short?


Edit: Well, at least I am consistent! Turns out I replied almost 3 years ago and with the same (probably wrong) answer!! lol

 

[Paul grey]

He may have but I remember only using 458 on culls

 

[sestoppelman]

The Hoss is long gone, no longer a member here.

 

[Paul grey]

Sorry to hear that I saw his post it's what got me interested lol

 

[sestoppelman]

Sorry to hear that I saw his post it's what got me interested lol

Read the posts on page 3.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

FN .458 A square rounds if I remember correctly

You’re right. Col. Alphin loaded them using Remington cases and Hornady steel jacketed 500Gr FMJ solids (to Winchester’s original advertised velocity of 2130fps). This ammunition was only for the National Parks elephant cullers. I doubt it was ever commercially sold. A-Square always sold their 465Gr unbanded monolithic solids for the .458 Winchester Magnum to private consumers.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Wasn't he pretty high on the 460 A-Square Short?


Edit: Well, at least I am consistent! Turns out I replied almost 3 years ago and with the same (probably wrong) answer!! lol

He experimented with it but found A Square rifles to be too unreliable for serious dangerous game hunting.

Mike’s book is 40 years old and it’s still such an important read for dangerous game hunters. He was the first person to really break down the problems with the .458 Winchester Magnum (and how to remedy them) in a scientific fact based manner.

 

[Paul grey]

Had no idea he was so popular lol.

 

[Paul grey]

FN as in FN-FAL? That FN was not a 30-06 (7.62x63), but a 7.62x51, aka a .308.

His .458 was FN too

 

[Red Leg]

Had no idea he was so popular lol.

You have no idea.

 

[deewayne2003]

I remember reading that Mike stated that a batch of Asquare ammo (.458win) didn’t meet the factory stated velocity and showed poor penetration.

So they pulled the bullets and scavenged/sacrificed some of the rounds to increase the powder charge for the remainder of the ammunition and then the .458win rounds performed without issue.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

I remember reading that Mike stated that a batch of Asquare ammo (.458win) didn’t meet the factory stated velocity and showed poor penetration.

So they pulled the bullets and scavenged/sacrificed some of the rounds to increase the powder charge for the remainder of the ammunition and then the .458win rounds performed without issue.

.470 NE and it was loaded by B.E.L.L (Brass Extrusion Laboratories Limited)

 

[deewayne2003]

.470 NE and it was loaded by B.E.L.L (Brass Extrusion Laboratories Limited)

I stand corrected, page 33 of the 2nd edition…

It was the BELL loaded .470 that was deficient; and he clarified he preference for the .458win with ASquare ammo.

 

[juan pablo pozzi]

Hey , everybody. During a previous thread , l mentioned a problem animal control officer by the name of Mr. Mike LaGrange . I read his book " Ballistics in Perspective " 10 years ago . Does anybody remember what rifles he used during his Elephant Culling ?
I seem to vaguely remember he used a an M1 Garand loaded with .30-06 A Square Monolithic solids , to cull Elephant. He also voiced mixed opinions about the .458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM.
I am hoping someone here either knew him or read his book to know what his battery exactly was.
Kind regards,
Hoss Delgado

Hi gentlemen he was a big fan of the 375hyh, proposed the458 winchester for experts and the 3006 for ligth skin game.Didint find anythi g about the garand but i know game rangers that used fals for culing elephant.We use it here for culling water buffalo.

 

[juan pablo pozzi]

Dragunovs ! I read Ganyana's article

Yup i found it.Dont sent it to me several years ago.