Good Gun Deals This Week

[Rare Breed]

Please forgive my ignorance…when you say bore diameter is that the diameter of the bullet such as .509 and .510 which is what my other 500 NE used?

 

[Rare Breed]

What’s your bore diameter?

DGS / DGX
tBBC / TBS
A-frame

It just says it was regulated with 570 soft points with Kynoch bullets in the 500 3 inch NE at 60 yards

 

[K E Johnson]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/949317795

Winchester 70 Stainless Classic .375 rebored to 404 Jeffery.
It would be interesting to know who did the work. Hopefully it feeds correctly.
This is probably the least expensive 404 Jeffery I have seen for sale. Was browsing for brass for the one I am having built on a Remington Ultra Mag action.
if you buy it, best wishes on finding anything to feed it with at the moment.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

W.J. Jeffery & CO LEE Speed B.S.A 303 British Custom Rifle Africa Rifle

W.J. Jeffery & CO LEE Speed B.S.A 303 British Custom Rifle Africa Rifle for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

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[rookhawk]

It just says it was regulated with 570 soft points with Kynoch bullets in the 500 3 inch NE at 60 yards

My answer is correct in that case. You need 570gr round nose bullets. Beyond woodleigh, your choices are:

DGS / DGX
tBBC / TBS
A-frame

 

[rookhawk]

Whoa!

HARTMANN & WEISS CUSTOM BY RAUCH DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE MAGNUM TAKE-DOWN MAGAZINE RIFLE .505 GIBS

HARTMANN & WEISS CUSTOM BY RAUCH DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE MAGNUM TAKE-DOWN MAGAZINE RIFLE .505 GIBS for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

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An update on this good gun deal. It was a bargain at $60,000 based upon advertised facts. A savvy buyer on this forum made an offer that was accepted and he was smart enough to put in a clause "conditional upon verification from Hartman & Weis that this is indeed one of their rifles".

Guess what? It's misrepresented. It isn't a Hartman & Weis, it's a gun made by outworkers and former employees of Hartman & Weis. Value? $25,000 on the high end. It's the kind of gun you buy for $12,000 as a deal and use as a super fine working gun with no collector value whatsoever.

Kudos to the savvy buyer that used a "Trust but Verify" approach to the deal, thus saving himself from a $35,000-$48,000 loss on the gun.

 

[CJW]

An update on this good gun deal. It was a bargain at $60,000 based upon advertised facts. A savvy buyer on this forum made an offer that was accepted and he was smart enough to put in a clause "conditional upon verification from Hartman & Weis that this is indeed one of their rifles".

Guess what? It's misrepresented. It isn't a Hartman & Weis, it's a gun made by outworkers and former employees of Hartman & Weis. Value? $25,000 on the high end. It's the kind of gun you buy for $12,000 as a deal and use as a super fine working gun with no collector value whatsoever.

Kudos to the savvy buyer that used a "Trust but Verify" approach to the deal, thus saving himself from a $35,000-$48,000 loss on the gun.

Are there any Hartman & Weis markings on the gun?

 

[rookhawk]

Are there any Hartman & Weis markings on the gun?

Not sure. But either way, best grade gun made by their employees off-hours marked or unmarked, its not a H&W.

There are dozens of Purdeys, H&Hs, Griffin & Howes, and other best guns made by off-hours workers to the highest standard. Nonetheless, a truck load of them and $9 will get you a pumpkin spice latte.

 

[Rare Breed]

My answer is correct in that case. You need 570gr round nose bullets. Beyond woodleigh, your choices are:

DGS / DGX
tBBC / TBS
A-frame

So my Swift A Frames that I have in SP are different from your above referenced A-frame?

 

[CJW]

Not sure. But either way, best grade gun made by their employees off-hours marked or unmarked, its not a H&W.

There are dozens of Purdeys, H&Hs, Griffin & Howes, and other best guns made by off-hours workers to the highest standard. Nonetheless, a truck load of them and $9 will get you a pumpkin spice latte.

I was just wondering how they came to the conclusion that it was an actual H&W without any markings. Pretty gutsy on their part to not verify make, and then advertise for 60k. With a whopping 11 photos no less.

 

[Rare Breed]

So my Swift A Frames that I have in SP are different from your above referenced A-frame?

I’m an idiot. I meant in my first message to say A-Frame not A-Square!!! So my A-Frames are good to go. Thanks for your patience!!!

 

[Aaron N]

An update on this good gun deal. It was a bargain at $60,000 based upon advertised facts. A savvy buyer on this forum made an offer that was accepted and he was smart enough to put in a clause "conditional upon verification from Hartman & Weis that this is indeed one of their rifles".

Guess what? It's misrepresented. It isn't a Hartman & Weis, it's a gun made by outworkers and former employees of Hartman & Weis. Value? $25,000 on the high end. It's the kind of gun you buy for $12,000 as a deal and use as a super fine working gun with no collector value whatsoever.

Kudos to the savvy buyer that used a "Trust but Verify" approach to the deal, thus saving himself from a $35,000-$48,000 loss on the gun.

Unless the ad has been changed, it does say by Rauch. It is easy to miss that part though.

I thought that particular seller has a pretty good reputation. I’m not sure if they would deliberately try to mislead anyone?

 

[Vagrouser]

I’ve bought two higher end shotguns over the years from WLM and spoken with them on numerous occasions. They are in my opinion one of the absolute best dealers in the US and of unimpeachable integrity.
The HW rifle came through as part of a much larger consignment and I think it could have been listed better and more clearly although I do not think there is any intent to deceive. My impression is that this was listed as described by the consigning estate with subsequent conversations with HW confirming that they most definitely did not make the rifle. The ad really should be updated to reflect this.
In my view, this is a custom in the style of HW by “Rauch” who is as far as investor value is concerned considered an unknown maker and its value is limited to its functionality alone.

 

[rookhawk]

So my Swift A Frames that I have in SP are different from your above referenced A-frame?

No, an A-frame is a standard soft. You’re fine with that. But your solids selection is limited. It must be a copper gilded steel jacketed lead core bullet. That means you can have Hornady DGS, or Federal Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer, or Woodleigh Weldcore. It has to be soft enough to properly engrave and it has to be lead core to keep its volumetric size low. (All copper means bigger volume, which means longer, which means it will damage the ribs and the regulating wedge)

 

[VertigoBE]

An update on this good gun deal. It was a bargain at $60,000 based upon advertised facts. A savvy buyer on this forum made an offer that was accepted and he was smart enough to put in a clause "conditional upon verification from Hartman & Weis that this is indeed one of their rifles".

Guess what? It's misrepresented. It isn't a Hartman & Weis, it's a gun made by outworkers and former employees of Hartman & Weis. Value? $25,000 on the high end. It's the kind of gun you buy for $12,000 as a deal and use as a super fine working gun with no collector value whatsoever.

Kudos to the savvy buyer that used a "Trust but Verify" approach to the deal, thus saving himself from a $35,000-$48,000 loss on the gun.

That AH member can thank AH (and you most likely) profusely! Very good on spotting this eventuality!

 

[rookhawk]

That AH member can thank AH (and you most likely) profusely! Very good on spotting this eventuality!

The member is a very astute investor and knew what he was doing. There are a lot of expert level investor/collector firearms aficianados on this forum, I’m just the one thats the most chatty.

 

[Aaron N]

No, an A-frame is a standard soft. You’re fine with that. But your solids selection is limited. It must be a copper gilded steel jacketed lead core bullet. That means you can have Hornady DGS, or Federal Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer, or Woodleigh Weldcore. It has to be soft enough to properly engrave and it has to be lead core to keep its volumetric size low. (All copper means bigger volume, which means longer, which means it will damage the ribs and the regulating wedge)

How does a longer bullet damage the rib and wedge? I was always under the assumption that the problem with monos was damaging the rifling?

 

[rookhawk]

How does a longer bullet damage the rib and wedge? I was always under the assumption that the problem with monos was damaging the rifling?

Monos are very hard and very long, 22.5% larger by volume for equal weight lead. Double rifle barrels are bent. A long bullet will straighten the barrels (destroy them) on a double rifle that is of vintage construction with soldered ribs. They also can have bands deeper than the shallow rifling, or the alloy can damage softer steel rifling, or they can cause a pressure spike due to a tight spot in a vintage barrel.

A hundred reasons not to shoot them in a vintage or best gun. Lead core FMJ solids are the way, and even then you just want too shoot those as infrequently as possible and practice with softs.

 

[Aaron N]

Monos are very hard and very long, 22.5% larger by volume for equal weight lead. Double rifle barrels are bent. A long bullet will straighten the barrels (destroy them) on a double rifle that is of vintage construction with soldered ribs. They also can have bands deeper than the shallow rifling, or the alloy can damage softer steel rifling, or they can cause a pressure spike due to a tight spot in a vintage barrel.

A hundred reasons not to shoot them in a vintage or best gun. Lead core FMJ solids are the way, and even then you just want too shoot those as infrequently as possible and practice with softs.

I had no idea about the bent barrels!

 

[rookhawk]

I had no idea about the bent barrels!

what do you think the regulating wedge is doing? Bending the barrels to adjust point of impact. Meticulous work that costs $1500 to have redone and can be completed by about 5 elderly gunsmiths in North America. It’s a pity to shoot a mono through a gun, or even a hotter load, if the consequences could be re-laying ribs and resetting the wedge.