Blaser R8 Jaeger Safari 458 Win Mag. Sumo Wrestler In A Dress

.... Next time it will be an R8 with two barrels, if there is a call for both a medium and large bore on the same trip.

I am not going to bash the Blaser R8 as I took 8 species with it just a month ago. That being said the two barrels are a fallacy in utility.

I took my Hyena on the way to where we were going to start tracking for elephant (as a matter of fact Hyena was at 6:30AM and elephant two hours later). Took a zebra on the way back from tracking buffalo. I took a baboon while having a lunch break during buffalo tracking. A grysbok was also taken while searching for kudu, but by that time I had already packed my .500 NE anyway, ;)

In none of the above cases there would have been time to switch barrels for the right caliber for the game. So, one would lose opportunity to take PG that one runs across while searching for DG. Now, after the DG is in the salt, sure one can then switch barrels to the PG barrel and go on.

On an RSA game ranch, yeah as one is going from one fenced enclosure section to the next for that day sure it comes in handy as one already knows what's on the menu for that outing and has the appropriate caliber.
 
I am not going to bash the Blaser R8 as I took 8 species with it just a month ago. That being said the two barrels are a fallacy in utility.

I took my Hyena on the way to where we were going to start tracking for elephant (as a matter of fact Hyena was at 6:30AM and elephant two hours later). Took a zebra on the way back from tracking buffalo. I took a baboon while having a lunch break during buffalo tracking. A grysbok was also taken while searching for kudu, but by that time I had already packed my .500 NE anyway, ;)

In none of the above cases there would have been time to switch barrels for the right caliber for the game. So, one would lose opportunity to take PG that one runs across while searching for DG. Now, after the DG is in the salt, sure one can then switch barrels to the PG barrel and go on.

On an RSA game ranch, yeah as one is going from one fenced enclosure section to the next for that day sure it comes in handy as one already knows what's on the menu for that outing and has the appropriate caliber.
You do bring up an excellent point. All the more reason to simply use a 3....7....5.....
Good to go for everything! ;)
 
But in all seriousness @Tanks , you are exactly right about this. And as you know, either the 375 or 458, with the right bullets and shot placement will work for many different situations and species of animals. On my recent hunt I also shot Bushbuck, Hyena and Baboon with my 375. Would the 458 have worked as well for these animals? At the distances I shot them, yes. Nothing over 150 yards. Would I have felt out of place holding a 458 while hunting Hyena at night with a spotlight? Absolutely! But it probably would've worked ok. Did I feel undergunned when I was hunting Elephant with a 375? Well, for some reason, yes. But that later proved unfounded.
I guess in the end, it's more about want than it's ever about need. Any caliber from 375 on up will work if shot placement is correct, and the proper bullet is used.
My idea of taking two barrels is purely out of want, not need. I just like to hunt with different calibers and I'd like to shoot a Buffalo or Elephant with a 458, even though I know the 375 will work. And, if I had the 458 barrel bolted on when a striped jackal crossed the road on the way back to camp, he'd be getting a 450gr TSX coming his way!
 
It appears they have more than one. Not sure how they're so much less expensive than other folks on these rifles.

The answer to this question Toby is that the Jaeger stock has an aluminum insert while the typical Blaser big bores have a steel insert in the Kilombero stock.

Whether a steel insert is needed or not is a long debated question that I can summarize easily. From a strength perspective, Blaser themselves will tell you that you can shoot any caliber from an aluminum insert. Period. Where the debate rages is whether the additional weight of the steel insert makes the rifle more shootable or too heavy.

I will let everyone answer for themselves, but this is the explanation in the price difference...
 
The answer to this question Toby is that the Jaeger stock has an aluminum insert while the typical Blaser big bores have a steel insert in the Kilombero stock.

Whether a steel insert is needed or not is a long debated question that I can summarize easily. From a strength perspective, Blaser themselves will tell you that you can shoot any caliber from an aluminum insert. Period. Where the debate rages is whether the additional weight of the steel insert makes the rifle more shootable or too heavy.

I will let everyone answer for themselves, but this is the explanation in the price difference...
I understand that. But I was not comparing the pricing to the Kilombero. I got this Jaeger for way less money than Eurooptic or Mad Dog lists the same exact rifle for. It came with a kick stop, and hard case too. Brand new.
As far as the weight is concerned, 9lbs bare rifle is in my mind the perfect weight for a 458 Winchester. It balances perfectly with the kickstop installed, which I assume is 16oz. I hope it holds up ok with the aluminum receiver. And like you said, I think the steel receiver is more for weight than for strength. So I should be ok.
 
I am not going to bash the Blaser R8 as I took 8 species with it just a month ago. That being said the two barrels are a fallacy in utility.

I took my Hyena on the way to where we were going to start tracking for elephant (as a matter of fact Hyena was at 6:30AM and elephant two hours later). Took a zebra on the way back from tracking buffalo. I took a baboon while having a lunch break during buffalo tracking. A grysbok was also taken while searching for kudu, but by that time I had already packed my .500 NE anyway, ;)

In none of the above cases there would have been time to switch barrels for the right caliber for the game. So, one would lose opportunity to take PG that one runs across while searching for DG. Now, after the DG is in the salt, sure one can then switch barrels to the PG barrel and go on.

On an RSA game ranch, yeah as one is going from one fenced enclosure section to the next for that day sure it comes in handy as one already knows what's on the menu for that outing and has the appropriate caliber.

You keep making this point Tanks, and you seem to be bizarrely unwilling to accept that for most folks the concept of changing barrels on a Blaser is not something that happens willy-nilly, on the trail, in the truck, several times a day, on the spur of the moment, depending on what animal you are bumping into, and it does not have anything to do with which Country you are hunting.

What the Blaser barrels change capability is meant to offer, I believe, and I think most believe, is the following example using my 2022 African trip:

Objective of week 1, Lion in the Kalahari: .458 Lott (admittedly I would have selected the .375 H&H barrel myself, but the PH insisted that I bring a .458 if I owned one - sure, why not).

Lion 2022 -1.JPG

Note: obviously not a free range hunt in SA, but I can assure whomever cares to compare, that there is not much difference in my experience between tracking elephant on foot all day on tens of thousands of acres (this is about all one can walk in a day) of communal land in Zimbabwe, and tracking lion on foot all day on tens of thousands of acres of private land in the Kalahari

Objective of week 2, free range "best-in-class" Southern Greater Kudu in the Kalahari and free range "best-in-class" Eastern Cape Kudu: .300 Wby.

Kudu Southern Greater 2022 - 1.JPG


Kudu Eastern Cape 2022 - 1.JPG


Objective of week 3, free range "best-in-class" Bushbuck on the Groot Visrivier, and free range "best-in-class" Vaal Rhebok in the Karoo: .257 Wby

Bushbuck 2022.JPG


Vaal Rhebok 2022.JPG


Let me hasten to say that I happily concede that the Vaal Rhebok is not, by a substantial margin, a "best-in-class" specimen - one cannot win them all, despite best and sincere effort and total dedication - but I would be hard pressed to be unhappy with him as this was still an incredible hunt... But the two Kudus and the Bushbuck, are "best-in-class" specimen, and each of these animals took a very focused, very single-minded, and very selective hunt, passing a lot of nice but lesser animals, and in two cases ending up in very specialized shooting situations where optimum rifle/calibers (and scopes) made a difference.

Multiple barrels "a fallacy in utility"? Really?

I can assure you that the chances to bump into a Vaal Rhebok while hunting Lion are quite remote, and that the .257 Wby was a much more adapted caliber than the .500 NE for the longish shot on this hunt.

I can also assure you that the chances to bump into a "best-in-class" Eastern Cape Kudu while hunting either Lion or Vaal Rhebok are quite remote too, and that the .300 Wby, and its large objective scope, were about perfect to take that last light, even longer shot.

As to the chances of bumping into a Lion while hunting either Eastern Cape Kudu or Vaal Rhebok..................

So, this is not really about changing barrel 3 times an hour in the truck depending on whatever you are bumping into, like you enjoy swapping your 2 doubles .500 and 9.3 on your whatever-pops-up hunts - which is great, I zero issue with that - this is about being able to bring several optimum calibers for several very specialized, very focused and very difficult hunts for several very special animals.

Sure, one can bang Zebra, Baboon, Hyena, or whatever walks, with whatever rifle one has in hands while hunting DG, but the minute the hunt focuses on one specific best-in-class animal of one specific species, and not just any decent representative of any species, things become very, very different.

Sure, I could have gone after it all with the .375 H&H, and I would have collected the Lion just the same, possibly the Southern Greater Kudu, on which I got a relatively close shot at just above 200 yards, but the hunt for and the shot on the Vaal Rhebok would have been quite challenging, and I would not have even attempted the shot on the Eastern Cape Kudu. I could certainly have bagged another Eastern Cape Kudu, we passed plenty, but not that one, the rifle/caliber and scope would have been a limitation.

This is where the Blaser multiple barrels (and scopes) shine; and this is no "fallacy in utility"...

Actually, Tanks, you are doing almost the same thing yourself: you are bringing a Heym .500, a Heym 9.3x74R, and apparently now a Blaser (in .300 RUM if memory serves? so you clearly see the limitation of only bringing DG calibers, right?), and I would not think that you are thinking of these as a "fallacy in utility".

So, OK, you are still hunting everything at the same time, so you need 3 rifles ready to fire, I get it, and 3 barrels would not help you, but when you start hunting very selectively, you will see the other side of the discussion. I am guessing that you would not take your .500 on a Marco Polo hunt, right?, so you are already halfway there :)
 
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@One Day... That is an INCREDIBLE Vaal Rhebok. Congratulations on your entire safari, but especially this one.
 
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This is where the Blaser multiple barrels (and scopes) shine; and this is no "fallacy in utility"...

Actually, Tanks, you are doing almost the same thing yourself: you are bringing a Heym .500, a Heym 9.3x74R, and apparently now a Blaser (in .300 RUM if memory serves? so you clearly see the limitation of only bringing DG calibers, right?), and I would not think that you are thinking of these as a "fallacy in utility".

So, OK, you are still hunting everything at the same time, so you need 3 rifles ready to fire, I get it, and 3 barrels would not help you, but when you start hunting very selectively, you will see the other side of the discussion. I am guessing that you would not take your .500 on a Marco Polo hunt, right?, so you are already halfway there :)

I think you misunderstood me. The "fallacy" in utility comes in toting multiple barrels in the hope of changing it on the fly. You made my above point in regards to your hunt in RSA where you had a specific caliber for a particular quarry on a particular day. No targets of opportunity intended. Also, I was hunting selectively, for Kudu for example, we did track some in the afternoons after the buffalo had gone deeper into the jess. All I had to do was grab the R8, no need to switch barrels. Saw a few, but only one over 55".

Is this selective enough? 59 5/8". Unfortunately, we did not have a RSA PH tape measure that starts at 1-2" so did not make 60". ;)
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Largest ever shot at Nyakasanga.

I also did not say bring only DG calibers with you. I purposely brought a .300 RUM for PG as I took some animals beyond what I was comfortable with the 9.3 double. And that possibility was there, hence the investment in the lefty R8 with the .300 RUM.

If the OP has to bring multiple barrels on his next hunt, I'd recommend his .458WM and a .300WM and he is covered for any game at any distance anywhere in the world as long as he knows what he is shooting that day ;)

Next year for me the R8 stays home for Africa as it is a strictly a DG hunt. Now, for Argentina red stag next April, .300 RUM will do the job and the .500 NE stays home ;)
 
Toby with the long throat and magizine on your R8 you will get close to Lott ballistics, so you just need to head back and get after some big kritters. You could look at the 500 Jeff barrel if for some reason you feel under-guned with the 458:A Stirring:
 
Get hold of @Badboymelvin for some good 458 wm loads. I have wm loads with copper monolithics 450 gr at 2300 fps and 480 gr monos at 2150 fps. If i remember correctly, badboymelvin was getting almost 2200 fps with conventional 500 gr solids. As for tge blaser action, i see and appreciate the design and workmanship and i think it is a good rifle. Maybe not the best for a ph where it is carried 200 days a year and dust gets into it but as a package it sure is attractive for an african safari. Accurate too so if you miss, you cant blame the rifle !
 
I think you misunderstood me. The "fallacy" in utility comes in toting multiple barrels in the hope of changing it on the fly.

The point, Tanks, is that I have never, ever, heard of, or read from anyone, anywhere, anytime promoting this bizarre idea. I am not sure where you got it from, but I believe you can safely lay it to rest. I can assure you that I do not know of any Blaser owner who carries an R8 on one shoulder, and a bag of barrels on the other shoulder while hunting ;)

Yes, I agree that a .300 (insert here favorite brand: Win, Wby, RUM, Nosler, Blaser, Norma, heck, even the old H&H, etc.) will do it all for any PG and MG, and I freely admit that I do not NEED the .257 Wby barrel, but it is such a perfect caliber (reach / power / virtually no recoil) that it really promotes good shooting, and it is so easy to shoot with laser precision from about any acrobatic mountain position. I love it. What's a man to do :E Rofl:

It is a little like you probably do not NEED the 9.3 with a .500 and a .300, but we all have our preferences, and it is just fine like that :giggle:

Especially when taking 3 barrels and 3 scopes is as simple as a less than 62" linear, less then 50 lbs., still manageable Pelican 1700 ;)

Pelican 1700 with Blaser R8 & 3 barrels & 3 scopes.jpg

Depending on the hunt: .458/.300/.257 or .375/.300/.257. Sure the .375 alone would do, or .458/.300, but since there is room for 3 and it does not cost a penny more to fly or permit, why not!

God bless you and the monster gun case you must schlep for your Heym .500 NE double, Heym 9.3x74R double, and Blaser R8 .300 :eek:. Anyway, I will not call it a "fallacy in utility", but just a different choice ;)

Honest questions: do you actually have all 3 in the truck at all times? Do you carry ammo for all 3 on your belt so you can really grab any of the 3 at any time and go?

Congratulations on the Kudu, it is absolutely beautiful indeed :love:. Perfect illustration that sometimes one does not need to dedicate days of focused and exclusive hard labor to collect a best-in-class animal. Right time, right place, and capitalizing well on the opportunity (which you clearly did (y)) are all it takes. Nothing beats luck when it comes to finding the really big ones, I have had my share too :)

As to opportunities, the .458 Lott gives me 200 yard reach on about anything; the .300 obviously can do it all; and even the little .257 is amazing. For example, this free ranging "Karoo mountain Kudu" dropped stone dead to a single 100 gr TTSX with a frontal chest shot at ~200 yards. I do not know about this "Karoo mountain Kudu" thing, but the locals insist that it is different from both Southern Greater and Eastern Cape - consider its brown color... In the mountains they reportedly do not grow anywhere as big as the Southern Greater and the Eastern Cape, but they seem to indeed have a distinct color. Regional variation? This one comes from a little spring high on the Sneeuberg on the northeastern edge of the Great Karoo and was taken during a hike for a Vaal Rhebok.

Kudu Karoo 2022.JPG



PS: I too like to hunt Zimbabwe, but you should not disparage hunting in RSA, nor their PH. I hope one day we meet and I could share with you some horror stories about a certain Zimbabwe outfitter/PH (sadly well know for his antics by a number of AH members).
I am sure there are some everywhere, including RSA, but there are also great hunting areas, and great PH, with honest tape measures in RSA. I absolutely recommend that you book a free range hunt in the Great Karoo for native, free roaming game (Eastern Cape Kudu, Vaal Rhebok, Mountain Reedbok, Klipspringer, Bushbuck (either mountain dwelling or riverine), etc. etc. You would, apparently, be surprised, to realize that there is a lot more to hunting RSA than the ""100%-success-guaranteed-2,000-acres-shooting-pen/you-can-schedule-your-shot-for-10:35-am-sharp-on-the-dot-if-you-want/we-will-tape-it-to-whatever-length-you-want"" that you seem to imagine ;)
 
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A little bit like you probably do not NEED the 9.3 with a .500 and a .300, but we all have our preferences, and it is just fine like that :giggle:

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Honest questions: do you actually have all 3 in the truck at all times? Do you carry ammo for all 3 on your belt so you can really grab any of the 3 at any time and go?

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I think you misunderstood me. Last year because bait shots were going to be below 200 yards and I also had a leopard I took a 9.3 double along with the .500 NE (elephant/buffalo).

This August because shots could be over 200 yards I took the .300 for PG and the .500 NE (elephant/buffalo).

When carrying the .500NE I carry two Els cartridge holders (8 each) on my belt. One for solids and the other for softs. When carrying the .300 RUM I just carry one Els cartridge holder (10). Ditto for the 9.3 when I had it last year.

So, in both hunts I had only two guns in the truck and ammo for them.
 
This makes more sense :)

I used to use Krieghoff .470 NE double + Blaser R8 .375 H&H with BDC scope (on one of the trackers' shoulder) to easily extend well past 200 yards, so, same concept, and maybe my set-up was even more useful because the .375 also acted as backup scoped DG rifle in case of a shot longer than the .470 double's envelope - which the .300 cannot do.

As you probably saw, I recently got off the double's bandwagon. I have evolved to realize that the R8 .458 Lott has the same stopping power; shoots the 2nd aimed shot about just as fast (I clocked this); shoots the 3rd and 4th aimed shots a lot faster; benefits from much better sighting flexibility; shoots any load/bullet superbly without regulation concern; has a practical DG range twice as long; and actually fits me better and better ever more because I constantly reinforce muscle memory practicing with its .223 barrel, which I could not do with the double. Admittedly, the instinctive 2nd shot at bayonet range is likely still faster with the double for well practiced shooters.

For thick skin DG I now plan to use the R8 .458 Lott alone (.375 H&H for cats), both can extend past 200 yards if need be, so I do not need a second rifle or barrel on the DG hunt. When DG is done, I bolt the .300 barrel for PG by default, or the .257 barrel for MG (mountain game).

I am certainly not saying that my choice is better, it is just mine, but I assure you that in this context, the Blaser multiple barrels - used as they were designed to be used - are not "a fallacy in utility", and this is totally irrespective of which country I am hunting. Matter of fact, I had two R8 barrels in the case when I hunted bull elephant in Zim last year...
 
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I did some testing with my R8 458 WM today. I found that by seating the bullets out to 458 Lott length, I can duplicate the lott in power with absolutely no difficulty. The rounds fit easily in the long magazine of the R8, and it actually works better to seat the bullets out long. This way I can shoot 458 Winchester factory loads or standard handloads, and I can also shoot Lott level loads as well. No loss at all by going with the shorter, 458 Win Mag cartridge. A 450 gr TSX at 2250 fps should get the attention of most anything that needs attention. And recoil is very mild at this level. I don't know if it's the kickstop, or the stock dimensions, but this is the softest shooting 458 I've ever shot.
 
I did some testing with my R8 458 WM today. I found that by seating the bullets out to 458 Lott length, I can duplicate the lott in power with absolutely no difficulty. The rounds fit easily in the long magazine of the R8, and it actually works better to seat the bullets out long. This way I can shoot 458 Winchester factory loads or standard handloads, and I can also shoot Lott level loads as well. No loss at all by going with the shorter, 458 Win Mag cartridge. A 450 gr TSX at 2250 fps should get the attention of most anything that needs attention. And recoil is very mild at this level. I don't know if it's the kickstop, or the stock dimensions, but this is the softest shooting 458 I've ever shot.

I have to agree! I am not a physicist and claim no math above calc but I have shot several calibers on my R8 along side rifles chambered the same and the Blaser always seems like it kicks less. Furthermore I ask my friends to do the same test and all of them agree with this assertion. Not claiming anything more than feel but I will say that now I want to buy a 458 Lott barrel for my R8 Kilombero

HH
 
Toby458,
First, congrats on a nice and effective .458.

My .458 "almost magnum" muzzle velocity is less than the .458 Win Mag or the Lott and yet it "Somehow" makes one shot kills on Ele, Buff, Leopard, etc !

From my extensive reading and modest experience killing African animals, it seems to me that there is a muzzle velocity threshold above which the proper .458 bullet can kill any animal in Africa.
Hunters may debate that velocity level, but such is a waste of time if the level is 2100 fps or above.
It seems a personal matter as to just how far above 2100 fps individual hunters wish to go, but they are above the proven safe minimum velocity.

Therefore, some time ago, I stopped reading and debating what could or should work and spent my time shooting and hunting.

Btw, the buff in the picture to the left fell to a 400 grain .411 bullet at 2100 fps. It just keeps on working!

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In an unplanned turn of events, I ended up with a Pro S stock that also fits my 458 Barrel. I got a good deal on it, thinking it was a standard contour. When I got it I found it's already been opened up for safari contour. Whoever did the work did an excellent job, so now I have a synthetic stock that fits all my barrels. Will make it extremely easy to travel with both a 458 and something lesser. And I can keep my Jaeger stock all nice and pristine.
Only weighs 8lbs 4oz, so should be lively!

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In an unplanned turn of events, I ended up with a Pro S stock that also fits my 458 Barrel. I got a good deal on it, thinking it was a standard contour. When I got it I found it's already been opened up for safari contour. Whoever did the work did an excellent job, so now I have a synthetic stock that fits all my barrels. Will make it extremely easy to travel with both a 458 and something lesser. And I can keep my Jaeger stock all nice and pristine.
Only weighs 8lbs 4oz, so should be lively!

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With dual forward sling swivels...very nice. Most excellent for using a 458WM prone with a bipod. :ROFLMAO:
 
But will be priceless when you bolt a .300 barrel that does not have a barrel-band front swivel mount and on which you may want to occasionally use a bipod :)

Additionally, I like the Pro S. The non detachable firing group/magazine is impossible to loose accidentally...

PS: this is when the 18 oz. kickstop may make sense ;)
 
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