Holland & Holland launches its Take Down Rifle

[reinwood]

Interesting, still not really innovative,
A bit similar to the Mauser 66 concept

 

[farmer_john]

Not getting what makes it a take down.

Regukar rifle undo 2 screws barrel and reciever come off.

New holland and holland undo 1 screw??

 

[uplander01]

It always amazes me that there are enough guys in the world to buy this stuff at those prices, from multiple manufacturers in the England. But I guess if your only building 100 guns a year total,.....the worlds a big place and there are a lot of guys that are just filling their vaults with treasure and the stuff will never see the light of day.

 

[uplander01]

And,...innovation in the firearms industry from a technical standpoint is non existent,...the fit, finish, and quality of materials has gotten better over the years. To me that rifle looks like their previous takedown model. I really like their scope mount system; it stays out of the way of your carry hand.

 

[farmer_john]

And,...innovation in the firearms industry from a technical standpoint is non existent,...the fit, finish, and quality of materials has gotten better over the years. To me that rifle looks like their previous takedown model. I really like their scope mount system; it stays out of the way of your carry hand.

I wouldnt say theres no innovation. Just maybe not in the realm of high end guns. If i had a machine shop i have a great idea for a hunting rifle but whats in my head making into reality x2 different things lol

 

[BeeMaa]

It always amazes me that there are enough guys in the world to buy this stuff at those prices, from multiple manufacturers in the England. But I guess if your only building 100 guns a year total,.....the worlds a big place and there are a lot of guys that are just filling their vaults with treasure and the stuff will never see the light of day.

For every backside...there is a seat. Not my cup of tea, but it's still an innovation to have a traditional bolt action rifle takedown in this manner.

 

[318AE]

And,...innovation in the firearms industry from a technical standpoint is non existent,...the fit, finish, and quality of materials has gotten better over the years. To me that rifle looks like their previous takedown model. I really like their scope mount system; it stays out of the way of your carry hand.

I’m glad these makers are still in business. The fit and finish was really good back in the day.

 

[ftrovato]

I'm not seeing the design break through on this one.

 

[MacJenkins]

Not sure how it is any different than their take-down bolt from 100 years ago? The front scope base is attrocious looking.

I have 3 highend take-down bolt rifles with a couple different barrel lockup mechanisms. They might move 1/3MOA when put back together. Which I would assume their rifle will be about the same with the quick detach scope system they are using as well.

 

[Tanks]

It always amazes me that there are enough guys in the world to buy this stuff at those prices, from multiple manufacturers in the England. But I guess if your only building 100 guns a year total,.....the worlds a big place and there are a lot of guys that are just filling their vaults with treasure and the stuff will never see the light of day.

I know a number of guys that take rifles that cost $200K+ hunting. BTW, the rifle above is not that expensive compared to most custom rifles. We are not talking about their Royal doubles.

Not getting what makes it a take down.

Regukar rifle undo 2 screws barrel and reciever come off.

New holland and holland undo 1 screw??

Difference is that it keeps zero. Your regular rifle has enough slop in it that one can lose zero taking it apart and putting it together again.

My takedown rifle is a Blaser R8.

 

[grand veneur]

It is a well-know take-down system. The receiver with the barrel are hooked in and the front screw is tightened. Done. The Magnum action shown in the videos is not a take-down system, because the magazine remains in the stock.

A rifle for sale on the first magazine HATARI TIMES from the nineties.

 

[farmer_john]

Not sure how it is any different than their take-down bolt from 100 years ago? The front scope base is attrocious looking.

I have 3 highend take-down bolt rifles with a couple different barrel lockup mechanisms. They might move 1/3MOA when put back together. Which I would assume their rifle will be about the same with the quick detach scope system they are using as well.

That should not have a poi shift because the barrel is not comming off.
I think it would be a innovation if it was a tool less take down.

 

[farmer_john]

I know a number of guys that take rifles that cost $200K+ hunting. BTW, the rifle above is not that expensive compared to most custom rifles. We are not talking about their Royal doubles.


Difference is that it keeps zero. Your regular rifle has enough slop in it that one can lose zero taking it apart and putting it together again.

My takedown rifle is a Blaser R8.

? If the scope barrel and reciever stays together. Only play is in the action screws. And if your rifle is propperly bedded and free floated than you wont have a poi shift Issue?

Where is the slop coming in exactly?

 

[grand veneur]

Regardless, as long as you insist on a takedown system, these types of take-downs are still the best. Having to reinsert the barrel into the receiver is not ideal, and rifles with spare barrels in other calibers are more of a gimmick than anything practical in the field. However, whether one still needs a take-down rifle nowadays, when travel is done by plane and then by off-road vehicle, is questionable. To reach the hunting grounds in Africa, long travels are rarely undertaken todays anymore by horse or camel.

 

[MacJenkins]

That should not have a poi shift because the barrel is not comming off.
I think it would be an innovation if it was a tool less take down.

The scope comes off.

 

[farmer_john]

The scope comes off.

right but he said a regular rifle

 

[MacJenkins]

right but he said a regular rifle

Thought we are talking about this “New” Holland and Holland take-down.

 

[PCC600]

This H&H take down system was on their rifles for years . I was unaware they’d stopped making rifles with this feature . The prices asked are crazy but people will pay . Their quick detachable scope mountings are fabulous . I have them on a 300 H&H magnum . As a final comment I have 2 WR bayonet takedowns a 318 and a 425 - they are very accurate for me at the ranges I hunt at 50-150 yards . I am a fan of takedowns .

 

[One Day...]

Mmmeh, nothing new here, and honestly nothing even really interesting. The concept has been used for over a century...

Taking a barreled action out of a pillar-bedded stock is nothing new. Heck, I have done it many times to "take-down" my CZ 550 and fit it in a smaller case, and accuracy remained excellent with no discernable shift of point of impact. The secret is pillar bedding / action bedding block, and reliable detachable scope rings that can be as complex and expensive as H&H side mount or Suhl claw mount, or as simple as Talley on the integral bases of the CZ 550 double square bridge.

And yes, grand veneur, I promise you that schlepping the 1700 Pelican to, from, and through terminals in PHX, JFK, JNB and ELS, then the same in reverse upon return, is a heck of a lot easier than the overweight and oversized 1750, not to mention that the 1700 <50lbs and <62" linear saves you $100 per flight ($600 per complete roundtrip) in oversize and overweight fees...

Looks to me like another solution looking for a problem, or maybe more accurately like H&H looking for another $$$ rifle to add to a snob's H&H battery.

Let us be clear, I am not saying every H&H rifle owner is a snob, and I have deep admiration for the H&H doubles or magnum Mauser-actioned bolt actions. What I am saying is that a number of H&H (and comparable) rifles are bought by snobs, who of course have to have one of each, and this "new" gadget gives H&H something more to sell them.

Blaser has answered the take-down system issue once and for all with their R8, and the bonus in the case of the R8 is that you can put the rifle back together in whatever caliber you like.

 

[Red Leg]

Regardless, as long as you insist on a takedown system, these types of take-downs are still the best. Having to reinsert the barrel into the receiver is not ideal, and rifles with spare barrels in other calibers are more of a gimmick than anything practical in the field. However, whether one still needs a take-down rifle nowadays, when travel is done by plane and then by off-road vehicle, is questionable. To reach the hunting grounds in Africa, long travels are rarely undertaken todays anymore by horse or camel.

On a Blaser R8, the barrel and the scope come off. When reassembled, mine, in I think seven different chamberings currently, all shoot to exactly the same point of aim. That is innovation.