.375 should be banned from buffalo hunts!

[revturbo9967]

One other thing to consider is the cost to those who don't have mighty dollars. Maybe this was one of those hunts done for the experience for slightly less.

If an outfit was upfront and offered this exact experience and explained to them in detail this is how it would pan out, Id bet 99% of their potential clients wouldn't book this hunt. Even if it was cheaper.

 

[375Fox]

Maybe Chris is learning this place isn't internet friendly.

126k followers on YouTube. 63k followers on instagram. I think was aware. He was however looking for a crowd to agree with him apparently.

 

[EXECUTIVE HUNT AFRICA]

Everytime a buffalo charges, it feels as if No gun is big enough every man who experiences it will relate! Remember you can’t shoot a buffalo more dead than dead! But don’t be foolish, use enough gun! For some hunters it is a 9.3x62, no problem, but for others not even a 700 NE is enough! My opinion, a hunter who can put a shot in the right place using a well constructed bonded bullet is the key!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen - I’ve looked for a .35 Whelen in Remington 760/7600 (older model w/wood stock) pump rifle. While they are occasionally available the price is usually ridiculous ($2000-$3000+). Do you think that Remington 760 pump Action will hold up to hotter .35 Whelen loads? I own two 760s (.30-06 & .308) and love that gun: 1). I’m a Lefty so they are very fast to cycle. 2). Accuracy is good “enough” 3 shots 1.5” @ 100 yrds.
I assume standards loadings for .35 Whelen are fine in a 760 so my Q is only regarding hotter loads. Thanks for your expertise.

@HankBuck
They are a strong action .
The only way to find out is to load a few rounds up getting progressively warmer with the newer loads and try them.
Bob

 

[sureshot375]

He did not apologize and a number of his more hostile comments were deleted. Watch his YouTube channel if anyone wants to see how he hunts. Shooting from the truck and bow blind with rifle appear his most common methods for buffalo and PG. The high fence is a regular sight.

So I’m guessing he’s not a PH in Africa??? It seems like maybe there is a licensed PH in the background and he’s putting on the show for clients from South America. I’m confused.

 

[Flbt]

@HankBuck
They are a strong action .
The only way to find out is to load a few rounds up getting progressively warmer with the newer loads and try them.
Bob

I don’t know about the heavy 35w loads
But my first 358 w was a 760 and it shot the hot bb 358 loads fine ( they came with the gun)
I changed over to the dubble tap loads when I bought a case and stuck to them with the blr

 

[Flbt]

@HankBuck
They are a strong action .
The only way to find out is to load a few rounds up getting progressively warmer with the newer loads and try them.
Bob

If the factory guns are going 2-3k
You could do like my 358w was done.
A standard 308 sent off and recut to 358.
When I bought it around 2015 right around 300$ or so.
So a 30-06 rechamberd would probably be less than 2000.

Jes rifle reboring

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

126k followers on YouTube. 63k followers on instagram. I think was aware. He was however looking for a crowd to agree with him apparently.

I think he was actually posting trying to stir the pot and get some PM’s. To which he can offer some hunts/deals generating some potential clients without sponsoring/marketing. Same thing with some of the social media posts.

We’ve all heard the saying “All publicity is good publicity”

 

[grand veneur]

So I’m guessing he’s not a PH in Africa??? It seems like maybe there is a licensed PH in the background and he’s putting on the show for clients from South America. I’m confused.

According to post #240 by @Hunter-Habib, I assumed until now that @Crishuntbrasil was a PH of Brazilian origin who was managing clients from his country in Africa. However, it cannot be ruled out that he is only the agent who accompanies his clients from Brazil and put on a show for them. I knew of a similar case in Burkina Faso. The French agent always accompanied his clients and acted like a PH in front of them. I accompanied the group as observer several times by buffalo hunting and witnessed the anger his behavior caused among the local guides. In Burkina Faso, there were no PH as we know them in southern Africa, but very competent local guides and trackers who did not need to be taught their work.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

According to post #240 by @Hunter-Habib, I assumed until now that @Crishuntbrasil was a PH of Brazilian origin who was managing clients from his country in Africa. However, it cannot be ruled out that he is only the agent who accompanies his clients from Brazil and put on a show for them. I knew of a similar case in Burkina Faso. The French agent always accompanied his clients and acted like a PH in front of them. I accompanied the group as observer several times by buffalo hunting and witnessed the anger his behavior caused among the local guides. In Burkina Faso, there were no PH as we know them in southern Africa, but very competent local guides and trackers who did not need to be taught their work.

He definitely calls himself a "PH".

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[Kevin375]

There are many ''so called'' PHs who are just agent and translator, but when they make their publicity, you can think they are well licensed PH.

I saw one in the past who bragged he was the guide in Zimbabwbe when a potential client asked who was the PH, but it was a big lie.

One of my PH told me once, an agent came with his client. It's not uncommon but his behaviour wasn't.

The agent was dressed like the PH the first day of hunting, and he was carried a nice double rifle. Why not, but It seems the agent thought he was running the hunt and when the team caught up with a elephant, the client shot the elephant with a body shot !

The elephant was well hit but before the PH had to do something, the agent backed up the animal twice, reloaded his double and started to run toward the elephant going away....A nightmare follower for a PH.

Earlier this year, I saw on Youtube a man who was with a client in the Caprivi Strip. He was clearly not the guide, because the well known PH was behind. But because he organizes huntings in different countries, he was in front of the camera with the client for his channel. They shot a buffalo in the heard with a double rifle and they started to follow it in the reeds. The bufallo charged the team and the "guide" fell down but fortunately, the true PH was behind and anchored the buffalo. They didn't say it, but the buffalo was in real a cow.

 

[grand veneur]

Some of this agents have photos taken with the game of their clients. I don't know exactly what they do with the pictures afterward. I suspected an agent and editor of a well-known international magazine about hunting in Africa that he did this. Some pictures in his magazine have raised this suspicion, but he never pretended to be a PH.

 

[Red Leg]

Whether this character is or not, I do not know, but the "companion PH" has actually become a fairly common thing among the better heeled in Africa. A client goes to South Africa and has a great experience with a particular PH. While around the campfire, they get to talking about other regions or game - lets say an elephant. The PH offers to set up the hunt, and he accompanies the client the next year on that hunt. He is the DeFacto hunting consultant. I know of at least three former traditional PH's who now operate from the US and Spain using this approach. I believe Ivan Carter was one of those who pioneered the this model.

A local PH will be along, but depending upon the relationship with the accompanying PH, it typically will be the "companion" that conducts the actual stalk with the client. Often the accompanying PH may indeed also be licensed in the country where the hunt takes place, but it is not his concession. We have a couple of sponsors here who basically offer that service. As long as no one is actually breaking the law, I see absolutely no issue with it, though the client will be paying a premium to have the company of someone he knows and trusts.

 

[HankBuck]

If the factory guns are going 2-3k
You could do like my 358w was done.
A standard 308 sent off and recut to 358.
When I bought it around 2015 right around 300$ or so.
So a 30-06 rechamberd would probably be less than 2000.

Jes rifle reboring

@Flbt - thanks but the 760 .30-06 was a the first deer rifle I ever bought so it’s staying “as is” - still like that gun very much fo any deer hunting. Also, I spent years looking for a “mint condition” 760 in .308 and not about to a castrate that rifle either.
Gonna have to go the “expensive route” and search for an existing 760/.35 Whelen that would break my bank account (or result in Divorce!)

 

[grand veneur]

Whether this character is or not, I do not know, but the "companion PH" has actually become a fairly common thing among the better heeled in Africa. A client goes to South Africa and has a great experience with a particular PH. While around the campfire, they get to talking about other regions or game - lets say an elephant. The PH offers to set up the hunt, and he accompanies the client the next year on that hunt. He is the DeFacto hunting consultant. I know of at least three former traditional PH's who now operate from the US and Spain using this approach. I believe Ivan Carter was one of those who pioneered the this model.

A local PH will be along, but depending upon the relationship with the accompanying PH, it typically will be the "companion" that conducts the actual stalk with the client. Often the accompanying PH may indeed also be licensed in the country where the hunt takes place, but it is not his concession. We have a couple of sponsors here who basically offer that service. As long as no one is actually breaking the law, I see absolutely no issue with it, though the client will be paying a premium to have the company of someone he knows and trusts.

I am familiar with this type of hunting, not my thing, but I don't mind. As long as the participants have discussed it in advance and no one wants to play a role for that he was not meant to play, everything is fine. In the case of @Crishuntbrasil, it is just a matter of speculations.

 

[Flbt]

@Flbt - thanks but the 760 .30-06 was a the first deer rifle I ever bought so it’s staying “as is” - still like that gun very much fo any deer hunting. Also, I spent years looking for a “mint condition” 760 in .308 and not about to a castrate that rifle either.
Gonna have to go the “expensive route” and search for an existing 760/.35 Whelen that would break my bank account (or result in Divorce!)

Or just find one that not in good shape and have it redone. But that would be a using rifle
Not any kind of collection.

 

[sureshot375]

Whether this character is or not, I do not know, but the "companion PH" has actually become a fairly common thing among the better heeled in Africa. A client goes to South Africa and has a great experience with a particular PH. While around the campfire, they get to talking about other regions or game - lets say an elephant. The PH offers to set up the hunt, and he accompanies the client the next year on that hunt. He is the DeFacto hunting consultant. I know of at least three former traditional PH's who now operate from the US and Spain using this approach. I believe Ivan Carter was one of those who pioneered the this model.

A local PH will be along, but depending upon the relationship with the accompanying PH, it typically will be the "companion" that conducts the actual stalk with the client. Often the accompanying PH may indeed also be licensed in the country where the hunt takes place, but it is not his concession. We have a couple of sponsors here who basically offer that service. As long as no one is actually breaking the law, I see absolutely no issue with it, though the client will be paying a premium to have the company of someone he knows and trusts.

Yeah, but Ivan Carter is an actual PH licensed in Africa.

Is Chris PH a licensed African PH???

If you aren’t a licensed African PH calling yourself a PH is a bit disingenuous.

 

[HankBuck]

Or just find one that not in good shape and have it redone. But that would be a using rifle
Not any kind of collection.

@Flbt - thats a good idea and I keep an eye out for less-then-perfect (heavily used) 760s too.

 

[roklok]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen - I’ve looked for a .35 Whelen in Remington 760/7600 (older model w/wood stock) pump rifle. While they are occasionally available the price is usually ridiculous ($2000-$3000+). Do you think that Remington 760 pump Action will hold up to hotter .35 Whelen loads? I own two 760s (.30-06 & .308) and love that gun: 1). I’m a Lefty so they are very fast to cycle. 2). Accuracy is good “enough” 3 shots 1.5” @ 100 yrds.
I assume standards loadings for .35 Whelen are fine in a 760 so my Q is only regarding hotter loads. Thanks for your expertise.

I have a couple 7600s, one of which is a factory .35 Whelen carbine, and an older 760 that I had rebored by JES to a .35 Whelen. Both handle 250 grains at 2500 fps+ no problem. I believe the 760s are every bit as strong as the 7600s, whether either or both would handle Bob's atomic loads is a question I don't have the answer to, but they both handle some fairly serious loads no problem. If problems did arise with hot loads, I believe it would manifest itself as sticky cases and problematic extraction, not damaged rifles. The lockup is very strong, but the camming power for extraction is less than a bolt action. I picked up the 760 for $600.00 on Gunbroker, had JES rebore it for $300. So less than a grand for a .35 Whelen pump. It is an older 760 with the full length action tube which I prefer.

 

[HankBuck]

I have a couple 7600s, one of which is a factory .35 Whelen carbine, and an older 760 that I had rebored by JES to a .35 Whelen. Both handle 250 grains at 2500 fps+ no problem. I believe the 760s are every bit as strong as the 7600s, whether either or both would handle Bob's atomic loads is a question I don't have the answer to, but they both handle some fairly serious loads no problem. If problems did arise with hot loads, I believe it would manifest itself as sticky cases and problematic extraction, not damaged rifles. The lockup is very strong, but the camming power for extraction is less than a bolt action. I picked up the 760 for $600.00 on Gunbroker, had JES rebore it for $300. So less than a grand for a .35 Whelen pump. It is an older 760 with the full length action tube which I prefer.

@roklok - I appreciate that information and its helpful, Thank You.
I’m lacking in any ‘gunsmithing’ skills, don’t reload so would never need or use a Hot round (Factory ammo only). I am a fan of the 760, especially being a Lefty and hunting for years before LH bolt rifles were easily obtained. I spoke to a person that specializes on Trigger Jobs for 760s & 7600s and asked him if he thought one model was Superior to the other? He replied “No meaningful difference between the two regarding quality or reliability”….not sure if others agree with that statement? (I have No opinion but like my two 760s just fine the way they are.