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mdwest said:
Considering that 1 year ago today Tesla stock was selling at $171 a share.. and today it is trading at $297.. I don't think Elon is sorry at all...

I think he is likely laughing all the way to the bank..

Sales mean nothing to a shareholder.. share value is all that matters..

Sales can indeed impact share value.. but if you think sales is the only thing that drives the market.. you probably should do a little more research..

liberals congratulating themselves on the devaluation of tesla in March conveniently forget how it was artificially inflated in November when Trump won the election.. it bounced from the low 200's to almost 480 within 60 days..

It then took a nose dive starting in early February.. that lasted a whopping 30 days.. and now has been climbing again for the last 2 months.. and is a full 57% more valuable today than it was a year ago..

I only wish I had bought a few thousand shares last year so I could have made 57% on my money like Elon has made on his billions over the last 12 months..

With all of that information now on the table.. do you really think Elon is sorry that Sweedes arent buying Teslas? or that he's lost even a single wink of sleep over it?

On May 9 (this morning) Forbes estimated Musks current net worth to be $342B..

In October of 2024 his net worth was $256B..

I suppose he's just distraught over those sales figures lol..
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Some of you have obviously not taken the time to watch the short video. The opinion expressed by the old warrior in the film is something that many Europeans agree with when Musk, for example, expresses support for parties like the AFD in Germany. As for the stock market, I am no expert, but I do know that there is something called a stock bubble that causes greatly overvalued stocks to crash when the market's hopes are not met. It is entirely possible that this will happen to Tesla when the market realizes that the rise in the share price is due to his appointment as a helper for the Republican Party and not to what the company sells.
 
luger6 said:
Some of you have obviously not taken the time to watch the short video. The opinion expressed by the old warrior in the film is something that many Europeans agree with when Musk, for example, expresses support for parties like the AFD in Germany. As for the stock market, I am no expert, but I do know that there is something called a stock bubble that causes greatly overvalued stocks to crash when the market's hopes are not met. It is entirely possible that this will happen to Tesla when the market realizes that the rise in the share price is due to his appointment as a helper for the Republican Party and not to what the company sells.
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It actually isn't what the company sells, it is what the company is developing.
 
Alistair said:
To jump into an ongoing discussion, I think where you and I differ mdwest, is that I am much more confident that Trump's... personality IS a major issue to policy, and IS highly likely to push the D's into power.

Now on the one hand, you're right. My personal opinion that he's an uncouth asshole of the highest order is, for the most part, irrelevant. Emotion does not matter, it is not a driver of policy, nor does it effect anything. Results do.

Reading your description of hard right on financial issues, hard right on small government, fairly centrist on social stuff, we're really, really closely aligned on what we want those results to be.

But where we differ, is our opinions on if Trump's methods will get us there. I don't think they will, because rightly or wrongly, optics DO matter in politics, and because for Trump to truly achieve anything, he not only has to 'do stuff' in this term, he needs to make sure that it sticks.

Bringing back US manufacturing for instance. Maybe tariffs are a useful tool to achieve that, maybe they aren't. But 4 years is not going to magically rebuild the US manufacturing base of the 1970s no matter what actions Trump takes. It took 50+ years for that to go away. There's no chance whatsoever that the US going to change that trend in one term. None. A couple decades maybe, but 4 years? Not a chance.

As such, for anything that Trump does towards that goal to be effective, it needs to be implemented, and then sustained. Not just by his 2028 replacement, but in 2032 and beyond.

Yet, because Trump is an asshole, that 'sustained' part of the formula is now far, far less likely. Not only does it hurt his chances of being able to do anything at all in the last 2 years of his term, it also means that the next president is markedly less likely to be an R, and is markedly less likely to just 'leave Trump's policies in place' no matter if they're an R OR a D.

We saw that in 2020. It wasn't a competition of policy, or a really compelling opposing candidate with really good ideas. It was a competition of Trump vs 'anyone but Trump'. We all know how that turned out, and I think that'll happen again. I was half expecting it to happen in 2024, but it seems the electorate have short memories, and that Biden was just that bad.

Effectively, Trump, through his own actions, has given the D's a ready made, highly compelling platform that will resonate with many, many voters. A platform that has already propelled a worthless candidate to the Oval Office once. That platform is simple; 'screw this guy'.

He's effectively ensuring that reversing everything and anything he's done is not just something to be considered for the D's, it's the #1 priority, and the ONLY thing they need to do in order to get elected.

Not only that, but because of the way he's implemented change, he's made it very, very easy for that new incumbent to totally decimate anything and everything he's trying to achieve. He doesn't pursue wide ranging support, he doesn't use the House, or the Senate. Executive Orders are the go to. You know what's funny about executive orders? They're real easy to implement, but just as easy to cancel.

You talk about the political pendulum. I fully agree with your opinion on that, and in fact I'd go further. My position is Trump has done more than any other individual to increase the amplitude of those swings. He's not really moving the mid point, or achieving any directional drift, just pissing everyone off to provoke a reaction, whilst running on a policy of spiting the opposition as much as any other factor.

That's why I have such a low opinion of Trump. Not because I dislike the guy and find him childish and uncouth (although I do), but because with his choice to act like that, he's putting his own ego ahead of everything he claims to represent, and crucially, ahead of everything the people electing him care about.

DOGE won't last the next term. Tariffs won't last the next term. His foreign policy won't last the next term. His immigration efforts probably won't. His anti-DEI stuff might, I'll give him that. Seems Biden did all the legwork to turn the electorate against that one long before Trump. But what will he really have achieved? If almost everything just gets abolished the second he leaves office, then the honest answer will be very little. Same as his first term.

These policies won't be killed because they're bad ideas necessarily (although some are imo), but because they've been implemented terribly. That poor implementation is almost exclusively due to Trump's personal desire to be 'seen to be doing something' to gain the adoration of his base over actually doing something that might gain enough widespread support to be enduring and effective.

That disgusts me, almost as much as Biden did. More so really, at least a D candidate is honest in their desire to work against my interests.

I can't help but think that De Santis or Rubio could have pursued the same goals to much, much greater effect, with a clear path to sustaining a trend over and above the 4 years. Trump, I'm pretty confident he can't. He didn't last time, after all.

The only possible silver lining is that Trump can't run for re-election. Let's hope he can restrain his ego enough in the latter part of his term to lay the groundwork for a successor. I doubt it though.
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I couldn’t have said it better myself. Voted for Trump but would have preferred Desantis or Rubio for hopefully, eight years and not Trump for four. I pray we are wrong but I’m guessing we aren’t and we will see a Democrat next. Their choices are so bad, maybe there is hope. If Stephen A. Smith runs as a Democrat, game over.
 
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Nice to see an Mp that actually cares about the issues in his riding for a change.
 
Another couple of weeks and the little muppets will be nice and quiet...... :E Shrug:

 
The U.S and China are currently having trade talks in Geneva. Trump is hoping they will also have a deal made with the Swiss
 
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steve white said:
What possible legitimate beef could any European have with Musk? DOGE activity has nothing to do with you
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You do know that Musk is more than Doge right?

Not like he became involved in German far right politics or claimed England is about to have a civil war.

Surely that news might have made its way onto at least American short wave radio.

I guess you will have to take my word for it that things happen outside the USA. Your map probably say “ there be dragons” before it gets to Europe.
 
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RLD said:
You do know that Musk is more than Doge right?

Not like he became involved in German far right politics or claimed England is about to have a civil war.

Surely that news might have made its way onto at least American short wave radio.

I guess you will have to take my word for it that things happen outside the USA. Your map probably say “ there be dragons” before it gets to Europe.
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Mmm....England/UK about to have a civil war....a civil war I thought was two sides of the same country fighting each other.....ie usa civil war....Cromwells bunch against the royalists.....not the case...it would be English.. Welsh...Scots and of course the Irish fighting a bunch of basically invaders...simple
 
RLD said:
You do know that Musk is more than Doge right?

Not like he became involved in German far right politics or claimed England is about to have a civil war.

Surely that news might have made its way onto at least American short wave radio.

I guess you will have to take my word for it that things happen outside the USA. Your map probably say “ there be dragons” before it gets to Europe.
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Canada would be maple syrup dragons , Germany sauerkraut dragons , France baguette dragons… not sure about England old fish fried wrongly wrapped in dirty newspapers just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
 
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