Again, this post was outlining another post specific to defects and establishing their point of origin. It does not matter what brand you buy if their is a chink in the manufacturing process for that specific PO. Every manufacturer will have a defective product come off their line at one point or another. Determining that defect and where it originated is essential, and sometimes it is a consumer error rather than manufacturing. That's goes for the best rifle and ammo manufacturers as well. I doubt there is a single manufacture that hasn't at one time had to deal with a defect, and obviously in mass production it's more common. My rod company holds 248 IGFA records, so I think I know a little about blue water fishing and quality. I know that it's not always the products fault and the adage "the customer is always right" is marketing and not product performance. Also again, it is clear to everyone how you feel about Hornady DG ammunition, it's been stated multiple times. However, many consumers like Hornady and will use them their hunts and that is their prerogative. You simply do not need to quote every post and state the same rhetoric. You would do better providing images of failed product, hunt date, specific info, etc; especially new images and not ones already circulated. That is what consumers like and need to see.