Remington 700 as a safari rifle anyone?

[pilar]

“”A 3 position safety is a nice safety feature too”
Yes it is , the sig 202 has a funky safety just above the trigger that takes maximum metal strength to use in a pinch when 90+ % of safetys are fairly standard.

 

[ftrovato]

What is the difference of the two if the action is short stroked?

Point being, is one action type more likely to jam than the other?

 

[NIGHTHAWK]

Custom 300 RUM based on a 700

 

[Flbt]

I understand cutting problems out.
But every gun can be run wrong.
And someone not working the gun the right way. Is not the guns malfunction it’s the owner malfunction.

What is the difference of the two if the action is short stroked?

Point being, is one action type more likely to jam than the other?

 

[roklok]

I have used 700s for dangerous game in Alaska, with no guide to back me up. I trust them, at least the older ones manufactured up to the mid 90s. As with any rifle, they are individuals, make sure YOURS is reliable. Here is my .375 H&H.

 

[Jim Golden]

My first dg rifle was a Rem 700 classic in 375 H&H.......biggest piece of shit I ever bought. I got rid of it as fast as I could, switched to Brno ZKK 602 actioned rifles and never looked back....

I have one of those, IvW, and used it to zap a Russian Razorback Boar hog of 230lbs....which seems like nothing for a .375 but is tough for a .270..... My dad gave it to me and I'll never sell it, but I'm taking my full custom M1917 .375 Wby to Africa.

 

[roklok]

For me, anything that can turn the tables on me should be hunting with a double rifle or a bolt action with controlled round feed with a fixed ejector.

A 3 position safety is a nice safety feature too.

Which rifles have a fixed ejector ? Mauser 98s, Win 70s, Enfields, Rugers etc have a pivoting ejector that relies on a spring to push it inboard in path of case head. An AK-47 has a fixed ejector. Not trying to be a smartass, I just had a fail to eject problem on my Mauser 98. Enfields were known to break ejector springs. A fast operator can outrun the ejector spring on Rugers. My point is they are not foolproof, I would argue that a plunger ejector has its merits, it ejects case as soon as mouth clears instead of end of bolt stroke. Keep a plunger ejector clean and properly lubricated they are as reliable as any, probably more so. Pivoting ejectors can have issues, same as plungers.

 

[MS 9x56]

This is not a decision I have made consciously, but I don’t currently own any Remington or Winchester firearms. I had a Winchester pre 64 model 70 but traded it for a franchi falconet skeet over under shotgun.

 

[Hogpatrol]

A lot of the issues I've seen with all rifles is poor to non existence maintenance on everything but the barrel bore and I've seen a few of those with rust, torched throats and damaged crowns. Clean under the extractor of the R700s and keep the ejector spring, button and the bore it sits in clean and lubed and 99% of the problems with that system go away. Been shooting R700s since the late '60s and never had a problem with extraction or ejection of the fired case.

 

[ftrovato]

Which rifles have a fixed ejector ? Mauser 98s, Win 70s, Enfields, Rugers etc have a pivoting ejector that relies on a spring to push it inboard in path of case head. An AK-47 has a fixed ejector. Not trying to be a smartass, I just had a fail to eject problem on my Mauser 98. Enfields were known to break ejector springs. A fast operator can outrun the ejector spring on Rugers. My point is they are not foolproof, I would argue that a plunger ejector has its merits, it ejects case as soon as mouth clears instead of end of bolt stroke. Keep a plunger ejector clean and properly lubricated they are as reliable as any, probably more so. Pivoting ejectors can have issues, same as plungers.

You may be right in all that you say and I don't grasp.

But, even with your well detailed explanation, I'll leave my Remingtons (and like) home when chasing bears, bufffalo or anything that might bite me. But that's just me.

As Ruger sums it on their website, I am a modified Mauser guy.

• Non-rotating, Mauser-type controlled round feed extractor is the most positive case extraction system ever invented, and features a fixed blade-type ejector that positively ejects the empty cases as the bolt is moved fully rearward.

 

[roklok]

They are commonly called a fixed ejector yes, but a bit of a misnomer. They are not in position to eject the case until the bolt nears the end of its travel. More properly called a standing ejector. If dirt, rust, or spring failure results in the ejector not moving inboard, the case will remain on bolt head. The result is essentially a double feed ( case and loaded cartridge) when bolt is pushed forward. My 458 built on a BRNO 98 Mauser just did this, blade ejector was sticking in bolt slot and not moving into position to eject case. I believe the 1903 Springfield has the most reliable pivoting " standing" ejector, if I remember correctly it is mechanically moved into position, not reliant on a spring.

 

[NIGHTHAWK]

My 300 RUM has an M-16 style extractor:

 

[WoodencrossIII]

I love that extractor and it looks great too. If I have any issues of extraction with mine that what I’d like to get installed.

 

[mark-hunter]

Piece of crap for DG.....or a high stakes hunt....

But what else to use in a World that is rapidly losing availability of M98 actions?
Let's say M98 is not available; what other action would be recommended?

 

[1dirthawker]

I’d love to hear from an actual Ph on here one that has input for the sake of conversation I think it be awesome to hear their stance on it, I reckon they would have good advice both ways for or agains

@IvW is a PH and has commented on this thread.

 

[1dirthawker]

Let's say M98 is not available; what other action would be recommended?

ruger mark II actions are CRF.

 

[grand veneur]

But what else to use in a World that is rapidly losing availability of M98 actions?
Let's say M98 is not available; what other action would be recommended?

Don't worry, such actions will be available for a long time to come. If well maintained, their lifespan is estimated at a few hundred years.

 

[mark-hunter]

Don't worry, such actions will be available for a long time to come. If well maintained, their lifespan is estimated at a few hundred years.

Not on my planet.
m98 action is rare, and m98 magnum length action is unicorn!
BTW, I have my buffalo gun on ZKK action, so I am not worried. But m98 is becoming scarce.
And skilled gunsmiths are not in big numbers either, to build a rifle from an action.

 

[grand veneur]

Not on my planet.
m98 action is rare, and m98 magnum length action is unicorn!
BTW, I have my buffalo gun on ZKK action, so I am not worried. But m98 is becoming scarce.
And skilled gunsmiths are not in big numbers either, to build a rifle from an action.

Maybe depends on the countries. There are many sources for Mauser 98 actions, starting with the old K98 military rifles that are still in stock and all the old used hunting rifles that regularly come up for sale. Mauser Magnum actions are something special, they are not used so much, but are still in production.

 

[mark-hunter]

Maybe depends on the countries.

This is the key point.
My country has run several confiscations of guns, and scrapping by melting. Even some legal guns without CIC proof have been confiscated and scrapped.
Post-war, guns stockpiles are either sold for export or scrapped. This left no spare parts in circulation

We must have all guns proved by CIC, and we dont have CIC proof house in Country.
This leaves gunsmith workshops without the option to build a rifle from an action, or even to change the barrel.
Those who do must go to Austria for a proof test, and it is either too expensive (with entire trip, and gunsmith work hours) or they just do not bother. To buy action, you need all paperwork and licensing like buying a new rifle. So, all that trouble, just to get action, and then to start building a rifle.
Just to give idea on legalities: every serialized gun part is considered "a gun". Barrel. Receiver. Bolt.
It must be recorded separately and licensed separately, if bought separately. Nobody can take the trouble to collect spares, to build a rifle from parts. On the other hand, with one license you can buy a complete gun assembled.

So, a modern hunter generally has the option to buy a new factory rifle or a used one with CIC proof test.