Posting photos of dead wild animals could be illegal soon

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  1. Fred Gunner

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    Reading both Documents I get the following:
    1) Professional hunters are allowed to continue to use social media to display dead animals to advertise their business so long as they get approval?
    2) hunters are forbidden to post their own hunts on social media.
    3) So what happens when my PH posts a photo from my hunt on his Face Book page... But I'm forbidden to share that on my page?

    I asked these very questions on NAPHA's Face Book page... Awaiting a reply?
     

  3. Royal27

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    Interesting....

    So NAPHA states, pretty clearly, that they support banning photos for all hunters based on the actions of a few.

    Under this logic, shouldn't they also support banning hunting in Namibia? It would, after all, keep the few bad hunters and outfitters from breaking the law and this tarnishing the industry.

    This is either very misguided and they are using a policy of appeasement as Chamberlain did, or there is some ulterior motive that NAPHA is pushing for, to their own benefit. :E Hmmm:

    Again, it would be nice for a member or representative of NAPHA to come forward and speak to the community.
     
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    I guess I was really just asking your opinion on the differences, and if they were really that different in practical terms.

    Thanks again for the discussion Hank, like I said - always enjoy your perspective.
     
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    I hear there is really good leopard hunting in Zim, Zam, and Moz. If this is a big deal to you it may be time to ask for your deposit back. Is your outfitter a NAPHA member?
     
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    So I'll pose my question again, is AH considered social media? If so, are we prohibited from sharing photos of Namibian hunts with each other? If so, it sounds like Namibia is getting crossed off the list. I don't hunt for photos, but photos allow me to more effectively share my experiences with my friends. I'll go to a country that doesn't want to involve itself in my personal life.
     
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  7. Fred Gunner

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    RIPCord Rescue Travel Insurance is paid for... This will not stop my hunt.
    I've saved and waited I life time for this so this will not stop me from living the dream.
    That being said... I have every right to challenge them for changing the rules in the middle of the game.
    I have a friend hunting in Namibia now. Two days into the hunt after he had already posted photos of his first kill they issued his PH the Memo.
     
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    I don't think there is any doubt. AH is social media. And as poorly worded as the official statement was I also believe it is clear that hunter trophy photos are not allowed.

    I'm in the same boat. I respect Namibia's right to make this decision, but I will not allow them to censor me outside of their country. Good luck to them.
     
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    AH is definitely Social Media by any definition I can think of. I’m quite certain MET and NAPHA would say the same thing.

    Hard to know where to even start with that latest release from NAPHA. It would certainly be helpful if they would do a better job clarifying when they are referring to NAPHA members and when they are referring non-NAPHA individuals such as foreign hunters. I can’t tell half the time when they are talking about just members of their own organization, Namibian citizens, foreign hunters, everyone on the planet?

    And good lord, does NAPHA really think anti hunting groups need any provocation to throw a fit? They seem very willing to manufacture their own “provocations” if need be.
    I agree that there are alot of pics that should not be posted publicly but they are anyway and it frustrates the hell out of me when I see them, but this policy is just plain absurd.
     
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    :E Head Scratch: :E Hmmm:Hmmm... you mean like control and financial gain? Nah, no one does that.

    Yes, NAPHA does seem to be very under-represented here.
     
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    I think they are underestimating our willingness to vote with our wallets.
     

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    "environment and tourism minister Pohamba Shifeta said the ministry is working on having the Nature Conservation Ordinance 4 of 1975 amended to prohibit and punish individuals who post photos with dead wild animals on social media."

    Key words here are "is working on"
    In the USA that means any Politician or bureaucrats can propose that a law be made or changed...in most cases it never happens.

    Does anyone here know how it works in Namibia? Can the environment and tourism minister change a law on his own?

    Does his memo have the force of law behind it? Like when the U.S. Fish and Game issues a regulation without congress passing a new law?
     
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    Outfitters main resource for advertising is social media and web pages. This dumb ass idea will really handicap the hunting industry. Too many people rely on hunting for a livelihood from the outfitters down to the cleaning staff. I would not pick an outfitter for a hunt unless I could see the trophy pics.
     

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    Mine sends me Game cam photos of Leopards on baits. (live at the time no foul?)
     
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    I guess that is why I feel that this place is different, thank you @SEStoppleman, i said that AH is different because there are not a bunch of liberal lefties watch to jump on everything that is posted here. They are afraid of us because we shoot things.
     

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    Believe it not there are a couple here... hunters and shooters, yes.. but also.....well, you know....:rolleyes:o_O;);)
     

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    Sorry, mate. Not sure what you mean. I’m a hunter who is supportive of the idea proposed in Namibia, but I would happily break bread with hunters who disagree with me. I’m just trying to figure-out if I am one of those referred to in your comment. Cheers, Ben
     

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    In the USA, freedom of speech is limited to free speech against the government. We don'y have freedom of speech against our employers or other citizens. We can't just say anything we want about employers or other citizens but we can to the government.

    This move by Namibia is throwing in the towel. We need to educate the non-hunting masses, not run scared of the AH crowd.
     

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    And if education came at the cost of not throwing controversial pics in the general public sphere but rather simply promoting the messaging of hunting would you support it?

    I can tell you in all honesty i have convinced several anti hunters and a few more fence sitters to the positives of gunting but it was never done with photos of dead animals
     
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    Couldn’t agree more, JPbowhunter. Flaunting pictures of myself with dead animals - especially African - would not win any hearts in my life. I have shared such pictures in the past but it’s increasingly no longer in my best interests to do so. However, I can win hearts and minds just by sharing my passion for wildlife - including live nature and scenery photos, even some tasteful ones of me with a rifle being present in the outdoors (some people think hunters kill and kill and kill, and I try to show this isn’t the case), and explaining the situation there (Africa). When presented like that people actually listen and understand. People know I hunt in Africa sometimes, but because I don’t put photos they’d rather not see under their noses they’re more inclined to accept me and what I do, and listen to the reasons why (if it comes-up).
     
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