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[mdwest]

Where did antifa really come from--from socialist professors who did not educate--they re-educated the kiddos. Deal with that and maybe the colleges will quit spitting out little Bernies.

this might be self rectifying fairly soon

I have a good friend that has been in academia his entire adult life... Yale PhD.. taught at the Naval Academy for a while.. now is an administrator at a fairly large state school in the midwest... (probably the lone arch conservative in his sea of extreme leftist peers)

According to him.... enrollment in public institutions in his state is down 27% this year... and they expect numbers to continue to fall..

In a COVID world.. you have several factors in play... one is the US education system "selling" the college "experience" has pretty much melted almost over night... Students arent attending classes on campus and arent "experiencing" much of anything a campus has to offer.. theyre largely, if not exclusively attending school online..

So... why not attend an online university, that has the same accreditation as the brick and mortar school.. or take the brick and mortar schools online degree path options?

Students are doing that in huge numbers.. which represents a massive reduction in revenue for the universities.. many schools count on revnue from the dormitories, the food courts, sporting events, etc.. to pay for all of the amenities that they have been selling as part of the "college experience"... they can no longer pay for the "entertainment" halls, world class gyms and fitness centers, marbled floor libraries, etc..

They also have students that are simply dropping out... They spent the last 6 months sitting on their butts and have become disenfranchised with the university system....

And they have a significantly lower number of freshmen enrolling that just dont see value in pursuing an "experience".. they are starting to gravitate toward trades more frequently...

His university has already advised their staff to expect somewhere between 25-30% layoffs in 2021.. He expects a proverbial "shit load" of unemployeed PhD's to be looking for work outside of academia in very short order...

I cant imagine things look much better for many other schools..

 

[Hogpatrol]

I had resisted it until now, but I must concede that I have found another ignorant, irritating, and ill informed European to put on my ignore list.

Unfortunately for them, the green eyed monster lives within them. Too bad they weren't born in the USA.

 

[Red Leg]

this might be self rectifying fairly soon

I have a good friend that has been in academia his entire adult life... Yale PhD.. taught at the Naval Academy for a while.. now is an administrator at a fairly large state school in the midwest... (probably the lone arch conservative in his sea of extreme leftist peers)

According to him.... enrollment in public institutions in his state is down 27% this year... and they expect numbers to continue to fall..

In a COVID world.. you have several factors in play... one is the US education system "selling" the college "experience" has pretty much melted almost over night... Students arent attending classes on campus and arent "experiencing" much of anything a campus has to offer.. theyre largely, if not exclusively attending school online..

So... why not attend an online university, that has the same accreditation as the brick and mortar school.. or take the brick and mortar schools online degree path options?

Students are doing that in huge numbers.. which represents a massive reduction in revenue for the universities.. many schools count on revnue from the dormitories, the food courts, sporting events, etc.. to pay for all of the amenities that they have been selling as part of the "college experience"... they can no longer pay for the "entertainment" halls, world class gyms and fitness centers, marbled floor libraries, etc..

They also have students that are simply dropping out... They spent the last 6 months sitting on their butts and have become disenfranchised with the university system....

And they have a significantly lower number of freshmen enrolling that just dont see value in pursuing an "experience".. they are starting to gravitate toward trades more frequently...

His university has already advised their staff to expect somewhere between 25-30% layoffs in 2021.. He expects a proverbial "shit load" of unemployeed PhD's to be looking for work outside of academia in very short order...

I cant imagine things look much better for many other schools..

My daughter has a hard science degree (Biology from Texas A&M) and works as a Vet Tech while earning most of her income teaching riders and training horses. My son is a bio med field engineer for a medical services company (repairing and servicing imaging equipment for hospitals) with a set of certificates from Texas State Technical College. He, unlike his sister, is extremely well compensated. Hope more of these kids figure it out.

Part of our social challenge is two generations of "children" with useless (and expensive) college degrees who can't believe they aren't recognized and compensated for their "obvious" intelligence.

 

[mdwest]

Part of our social challenge is two generations of "children" with useless (and expensive) college degrees who can't believe they aren't recognized and compensated for their obvious intelligence.

I literally just had a related conversation with one of my daughters this morning..

She is a sophomore, and hasnt declared her major yet.. She is truly undecided at this point about what she wants to do once she graduates..

We talked about a number of different liberal arts degrees that she has some interest in... thankfully by the time we talked through a couple of scenarios, she realized that the marketability of those degrees that had her curious was almost non existent and they would do her no good at all no matter what she ultimately decides to do for a living down the road...

So, while she currently remains undecided.. she is at least now looking at options that would allow her to paint with a fairly broad brush once she graduates (business, organizational management, communications, education, etc)...

 

[35bore]

Where did antifa really come from--from socialist professors who did not educate--they re-educated the kiddos. Deal with that and maybe the colleges will quit spitting out little Bernies.

If they get what they want, then they will be looking to us for help. Sorry, I'll be looking out for my family and like minded people. Not saying I won't end their suffering by any means, however I'm not looking forward to doing so. Moderators can cancel this quote if they choose, but those that see it will know where I stand on this topic.

I'll back up my previous post by saying, until the electoral college says so, then Trump is our president!

 

[Newboomer]

35bore.
I agree with you on the socialist profs and teachers. It is no longer education, it's indoctrination and has been for several years at all levels. It baffles me the number of semi functional illiterates the "education system" has turned loose on the country. Granted, there is a percentage, however small, of fully functional young people, who, hopefully, can and will amount to something.

 

[Ray B]

Seems to me that there are two reasons for college with regard to employment. A BA in science/math/finance can lead to employment in the field. The other route is to take "easy to get an A" courses with the goal of getting into a graduate school, which is another way of saying a trade school that teaches medicine, law or advanced studies. The catch with the second option is the exam for entrance (LSAT,MED,etc) where if the student didn't get a good knowledge base in the chosen field he/she will get a low score and have a humanities BA that goes well for sidewalk cafe chats but not much else.

 

[lwaters]

Why do students now actually listen to their teachers. My generation looked on them with suspicion. If they were such geniuses why were they teaching.

35bore.
I agree with you on the socialist profs and teachers. It is no longer education, it's indoctrination and has been for several years at all levels. It baffles me the number of semi functional illiterates the "education system" has turned loose on the country. Granted, there is a percentage, however small, of fully functional young people, who, hopefully, can and will amount to something.

 

[Ray B]

The Vietnam conflict caused a significant shift in teachers. Prior to 1970 a child would aspire to a profession- they wanted to be policemen, firemen, doctors, nurses and teachers. It was an honored profession. Due to the draft and visual media coverage about the graphics of conflict a lot of otherwise aimless students went to college to obtain the 2S student deferment. To maintain it required an acceptable GPA, and the easiest grades were obtained in the education department. guys that had little interest in teaching ended up with massive amounts of letters behind their name and no marketable skills other than to return to the classroom, no longer a student, now a teacher and possibly a professor. In addition to their basic ineptitude toward real knowledge they also brought a dislike for the American system and the role as freeworld leader from which they infect the minds of their students and degrade the honor previously awarded to teachers.

 

[BigSteve57]

I literally just had a related conversation with one of my daughters this morning..

She is a sophomore, and hasnt declared her major yet.. She is truly undecided at this point about what she wants to do once she graduates..

We talked about a number of different liberal arts degrees that she has some interest in... thankfully by the time we talked through a couple of scenarios, she realized that the marketability of those degrees that had her curious was almost non existent and they would do her no good at all no matter what she ultimately decides to do for a living down the road...

So, while she currently remains undecided.. she is at least now looking at options that would allow her to paint with a fairly broad brush once she graduates (business, organizational management, communications, education, etc)...

This reminds me of that conversation I had with my parents who were Ivy League educated professionals who both had scholarships for their undergraduate degrees and they worked their way on their own for their advanced degrees. They had a profound sense that it was their duty to educate me to the best of my ability to learn and not their ability to pay. That's a direct quote. Same went for my sister.

<<<HOWEVER>>>

They also said that they only loved me 4 years worth and that if I wanted their help I had better choose from an intersection of what the world needs and what I could do well. They made it clear that I had no artistic or sports talent and my looks wouldn't get me a modeling career. So they literally said "that narrows it down, M'Kay?" I graduated with a degree in Chemical Engineering and was never a burden to my parents.

Without them who knows what I would have done. Maybe joined the service and accomplished the same thing? Who knows.

My parents gave me and my sister everything and I miss them terribly.

 

[Wheels]

this might be self rectifying fairly soon

I have a good friend that has been in academia his entire adult life... Yale PhD.. taught at the Naval Academy for a while.. now is an administrator at a fairly large state school in the midwest... (probably the lone arch conservative in his sea of extreme leftist peers)

According to him.... enrollment in public institutions in his state is down 27% this year... and they expect numbers to continue to fall..

In a COVID world.. you have several factors in play... one is the US education system "selling" the college "experience" has pretty much melted almost over night... Students arent attending classes on campus and arent "experiencing" much of anything a campus has to offer.. theyre largely, if not exclusively attending school online..

So... why not attend an online university, that has the same accreditation as the brick and mortar school.. or take the brick and mortar schools online degree path options?

Students are doing that in huge numbers.. which represents a massive reduction in revenue for the universities.. many schools count on revnue from the dormitories, the food courts, sporting events, etc.. to pay for all of the amenities that they have been selling as part of the "college experience"... they can no longer pay for the "entertainment" halls, world class gyms and fitness centers, marbled floor libraries, etc..

They also have students that are simply dropping out... They spent the last 6 months sitting on their butts and have become disenfranchised with the university system....

And they have a significantly lower number of freshmen enrolling that just dont see value in pursuing an "experience".. they are starting to gravitate toward trades more frequently...

His university has already advised their staff to expect somewhere between 25-30% layoffs in 2021.. He expects a proverbial "shit load" of unemployeed PhD's to be looking for work outside of academia in very short order...

I cant imagine things look much better for many other schools..

Our higher education systems are pathetic in so many ways. We have allowed a generation to be indoctrinated.

A super nice lady I knew was accepted to law school at Oklahoma City University. She tried but didn't really have the abilities. I don't know what her LSAT was but it couldn't have been high. She flunked out a semester and they let her back in. She finally graduated, but after multiple tries, never came close to passing the BAR. Now she is saddled with $120k in debt and can't earn monies in the field she chose. The university is at fault, but what do they care. They made their 100+k.

Make the universities underwrite the student debt if they want the student. Get the government out of guarantying the debt.

or if the government is continuing to guaranty the debt,

Have an exit ACT/SAT type test. The student doesn't receive their BS/BA until the test is passed.

 

[Hogpatrol]

Our higher education systems are pathetic in so many ways. We have allowed a generation to be indoctrinated.

A super nice lady I knew was accepted to law school at Oklahoma City University. She tried but didn't really have the abilities. I don't know what her LSAT was but it couldn't have been high. She flunked out a semester and they let her back in. She finally graduated, but after multiple tries, never came close to passing the BAR. Now she is saddled with $120k in debt and can't earn monies in the field she chose. The university is at fault, but what do they care. They made their 100+k.

Make the universities underwrite the student debt if they want the student. Get the government out of guarantying the debt.

or if the government is continuing to guaranty the debt,

Have an exit ACT/SAT type test. The student doesn't receive their BS/BA until the test is passed.

Never fear, Uncle Joe Leg Hairs is going to forgive that debt. In other words, the government, i.e. taxpayers will take the hit.

 

[Wheels]

US Postal Service does much better job in Pennsylvania than in my neck of the woods.

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Tens of Thousands of Pennsylvania Ballots Returned Earlier Than Sent Date: Researcher​

Over 50,000 ballots returned day after they were mailed out.

Over 30,000 ballots returned the same day they were mailed out.

Over 20,000 ballots that were returned before they were mailed out.

 

[Wheels]

Eric Trump

@EricTrump

 

[Wheels]

Since one state still hasn't been counted and since there is litigation in five states, it makes sense to have a current election map for all to view.

 

[Hogpatrol]

What do they call it? Criminally insane? That fits the Democratic party of today.

 

[Ray B]

Very few people that marked Bidet/Horrible on the ballot were voting FOR them, they were voting AGAINST Trump/Pence. Now that the DemonRats think they won, they are starting the infighting between the JFK Demons and the Bolshevik Demons. When some of the programs get passed, possibly by executive order, it will be interesting to see how many of those that marked the ballot for B/H will have voters remorse. There could be a demise of the Demons in 2022 and a death knell in 2024- that is if USA can survive the challenge.

 

[Brent in Az]

 

[steve white]

Why do students now actually listen to their teachers. My generation looked on them with suspicion. If they were such geniuses why were they teaching.

I think my daughter had "academic Stockholm syndrome". After professors clipped the grades of students who disagreed with them, they acted obediently out of fear....now she espouses some of the philosophies which put her 40k in debt.
BTW, many universities make more on grants and government contracts than they ever do on tuition.

 

[Pheroze]

In undergrad my daughter called me. She was in a feminist theory course:

Daughter: I have to write about Tinkerbell. It concerns the sociological perspective. I have to adapt the feminist theory concepts we have been studying...

Me: that's cool (supportive father) so how's it going?

Daughter: well....

Me: well, what do you think? How will you analyze her?

Daughter: Dad...it's just fucking Tinkerbell! What the hell.

Yep! Made me proud.