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Guess he would not have needed to be if the South did not start a problem in the first place. He did what needed being done " War is hell" and he lived by it.
I do believe the south was legally allowed to do what they did in South Carolina since it was agreed that we were individuals fighting together against the English and could go are seperate ways latter. I mean I seem to recall that the law against secession wasn’t even made till after the south seceded. I may be wrong but I believe I’m right . I’m sure the lawyers and historians will answer that
 
Needed to be done? The south left the union for same reasons we left england. The yankee ststes were taxing them on imports and squeezing them to not be abke to sell their goods at msrket vslue abroad.

Secondly at the time every state was just that an independant. State per the original founding documents. And notes of our founders. The union destroyed the south under the guise of freeing slaves and it was already a dying institution by that point.

And what did we get for all that. Dei and told how bad we are we freed them. And not promoted at work
lol if I read down to your post I wouldn’t have had to post. Sorry for restating your points.
 
Yet the south attacked Fort Sumpter if I remember right that was the start of the Civil War
The south was part of the United States until they decided they were going to separate. I have no sadness for the south. They made a choice and the north finished it.
Are you from America or Canada?
 
It has already been this way with IRAs and ROTH IRAs. Nothing new or different about Trump accounts, they are just an inferior version of the other vehicles.

This is a key point that people seem to miss. The FAFSA application requires data from both the parents and the child applying to college in most cases. The Ivies and a few elites use a different, even more sadistic system for determining "need".

You want your children to be PENNILESS when applying for college. The very worst things you can do for them is either gift them money or allow them to have a balance in a checking or savings account. The kid's money is treated even harsher than the parent's money when it comes to student aid.

This is where well meaning parents have been scammed into doing the stupidest possible thing. NEVER open a 529 plan for your children. It's treated as an asset, thus punishing your kid via higher tuition and less need based aid than if they had no 529 plan at all. Oh, and most 529 plans are corrupt, squander their investors money, and force your kid to attend a limited group of schools.

What is the BEST thing you can do? 1.) The ROTH IRA, 2.) The Traditional IRA, 3.) The Trump Account, 4.) A Generous Grandparent owning a 529 plan.

Those 4 things are NOT disclosable on the FAFSA which means your kid can roll into college applications showing greater need. They can then use the ROTH IRA principle for college untaxed and undisclosed. They can use the growth of the ROTH IRA if taxed, without penalty, for college. (less good) They can use the principle and growth of a Traditional IRA without tax penalty, but they are taxed, for college. (less good) They can use the Trump Account the same as a Traditional IRA for education. (less good) Lastly, they can use a secret, undisclosed 529 plan owned by the Grandparents for college. (pretty good deal if your kid has wealthy grandparents)

If you don't follow these principles, your kid is in for a world of hurt trying to go to college and the parents are going to be on the hook for tremendous sums of money.

Example of how to F' it up your family real bad: Parents own their home, carry no debt. No car payments. You make above $200k as a family, the cutoff number. You save 25% of gross income between 401k and brokerage. Your kids are going to be expected to receive from you, roughly a $90,000 expected family contribution per year, per kid for university. That's full rack-rate tuition at any Ivy League university in the country. ZERO need has been established, you're F'd, even though that is probably more than you spend post-tax to run your household for the whole year. Oh, and your kids can only legally get a $5000 loan in their own name every year, so the system is expecting you as the parent to cough up $85,000 or co-sign a parent plus loan in your name. You make the problem even worse if your kids have any savings. You make the problem much worse if you pay your kids or they work elsewhere beyond the $13,000 poverty line per year. You make it even worse if you have a 529 savings plan.

In the very, very common scenario above what do the institutions expect you to do as a parent? Mortgage your home, sell your primary residence, or co-sign hundreds of thousands in debt for each of your kids. <- That's how the system works.

ROTH IRAs are the #1 shelter that reduces these obligations. Making sure your primary residence has Farm write-offs is probably the 2nd best strategy. Ensuring you liquidate all your brokerage securities and buy art/silver/gold/coins/stamps before they file their FAFSAs is a legal and common third best strategy. Going into temporary debt for deferred expenses on your home is probably the best 4th. Trump accounts would probably be the 5th or 6th best idea.

We've done most of the above strategies, but we've also tried a few others that appear to have worked out well. We consumed some of our daughter's college savings to send her to ACT/SAT boot camps. Spending a few thousand bucks on tutors to get a top entrance score can create merit aid that saves tens of thousands as well, better than paying more for college.

Looking at $1.2m USD in tuition for three kids over the next few years at rack-rates caused us to look very, very closely at how the systems work. The entire college scam is designed to deliver a lousy product for most kids while destroying the financial security of most families.

Trump Accounts are not the top priority or vehicle to make education affordable.

You invest for a newborn in a Trump account at $5000 a year for 17 years, your $85,000 investment is worth $168,000. The kid takes it out 1/4th per year for tuition, they pay capital gains on it each year, then they are double-punished because its treated as income on the FAFSA reducing their student aid because of their "income".

Alternatively, you invest $7500 a year in a ROTH IRA by hiring your children as wage-slaves to your personal side business starting on their 9th birthday. You've only assisted them in investing $67,500, their investments are worth $95,000, but they can withdraw the $67,500 tax-free and without FAFSA disclosure to pay for college. A better outcome via a better investment vehicle.

Higher education truly does suck.
Higher education doesn’t suck, the commodification and business behind it sucks the souls annd every penny the can out of those who attend. The qualification creep that started since boomers got degrees and became bosses have made it a necessary evil. Business degree to be a bank teller? Come on! MBA’s to be a “project coordinator” taking my time sheets and tracking hours while providing zero feedback on where we are budget wise? Get bent!
 
Absolutely. One of my ancestors on my father's side - West Tennesseans all - was a young cavalryman with him. Sadly, or perhaps fortunately for the future of the Republic, Davis knew almost nothing about Forest until fairly late in the war. One of his most famous maxims was "Get'em skeered, and keep'em skeered." He was a genius at doing just that. He also was not afraid of combat. At the battle of Fallen Timbers in 1862, he charged ahead of his troops and ended up completely surrounded by Union soldiers, at which point he was shot in the back. Despite the severe wound, he managed to grab a nearby Union infantryman by the collar, heave him up onto his horse behind him to use as a human shield, and galloped away while the Union soldiers fired at him. Once he was out of range, he dropped the soldier to the ground and escaped. He was not afraid of personal combat. Shortly after the war he dryly noted "I was a horse ahead at the end." He had 29 hoses shot out from under him, while he had personally killed 30 Union soldiers in close combat.

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It was a sad day when the city of Memphis removed the statute of Forest and renamed the park thst had been named after him for decades all in the name of political correctness and BLM pressure…

The forest family donated thst land to the city and gave it a free city park. All they asked was he be memorialized..

he is often wrongfully painted by non historians… those that studied him extensively like Shelby Foote tell the accurate tale.. fierce, unafraid, with a very strong sense of values. Feared deeply by those thst should fear him, and loved and admired deeply by those he loved and admired. If the South had 2 or 3 more like him, it’s very likely the outcome of the war would have been different. The man was an absolute beast in the saddle and inspirational to the men assigned to him..,

Just because he wore grey doesn’t discount that he epitomized the sort of leader thst soldiers love and will follow straight to the gates of hell… we could use a few more like him today…
 
Higher education doesn’t suck, the commodification and business behind it sucks the souls annd every penny the can out of those who attend. The qualification creep that started since boomers got degrees and became bosses have made it a necessary evil. Business degree to be a bank teller? Come on! MBA’s to be a “project coordinator” taking my time sheets and tracking hours while providing zero feedback on where we are budget wise? Get bent!

Higher education isn't for everybody. It works best when its 10%-15% of the population. When government decided to make it available to the masses via subsidized loans, it devalued the education while enslaving generations of underqualified scholars. Because of the glut of useless degree holders, it is now a gateway to meager employment purely as way to filter the disportionate amount of applicants per position. With the Government backstopping the loans, the universities rapidly expanded the size of their "companies" with lower quality professors to push more people through their doors.

I tell every young person I know that they should consider being blue collar. Blue collar wages will exceed white collar wages the majority of the time from now through at least the next 25 years for the average worker. The only reason a kid should go for an undergrad degree is because it is legally required for their intended profession: STEM engineering, Law, Medicine, Accounting, Pharmacology, etc. A liberal arts degree or humanities degree in general is absolutely worthless for the super-majority of people and is simply a required step to get to a masters or doctoral program that *might* have a positive ROI.

I've worked in IT and adjacent fields for over 30 years and in that time I can count on two hands the amount of people I know with computer science degrees that actually work in computer sciences. That's another dud degree when employers just want demonstrable talent.
 
They didn't lie. Their hope is that people take the penalty and use the money. The score from JCT assumes a healthy amount of people doing exactly that.

I agree that it is smarter to leave it in but in 18 years I guarantee you'll see Congress encouraging people to take it out and maybe even tweaking the law to do so.
Yes sir I agree. They will make it possible to use it for first home mortgages, college tuition, the list goes on….
IMO when these people start to outlive their money the welfare state is going to explode again….
 
Example of how to F' it up your family real bad: Parents own their home, carry no debt. No car payments. You make above $200k as a family, the cutoff number. You save 25% of gross income between 401k and brokerage. Your kids are going to be expected to receive from you, roughly a $90,000 expected family contribution per year, per kid for university. That's full rack-rate tuition at any Ivy League university in the country. ZERO need has been established, you're F'd, even though that is probably more than you spend post-tax to run your household for the whole year. Oh, and your kids can only legally get a $5000 loan in their own name every year, so the system is expecting you as the parent to cough up $85,000 or co-sign a parent plus loan in your name. You make the problem even worse if your kids have any savings. You make the problem much worse if you pay your kids or they work elsewhere beyond the $13,000 poverty line per year.

I did not qualify. Worst was when my daughter's first year at Yale overlapped with my son's last year at Rice.

I tease my daughter that she cost me a brand new Mercedes for each year she went to Yale and Harvard law, a total of 7 years.
 
I did not qualify. Worst was when my daughter's first year at Yale overlapped with my son's last year at Rice.

I tease my daughter that she cost me a brand new Mercedes for each year she went to Yale and Harvard law, a total of 7 years.

Its a serious sacrifice for a family. You're a great dad that you were able to prioritize your children's education at the finest universities in the country, a very significant feat in today's society. The Benz would be rusty by now, but investing in your kids is the best investment you'll ever make.
 

So now we know. Trump's Weaponization Fund "settlement" was cooked. Pathetic. The Justice Dept could have had Trump's lawsuit against IRS thrown out of court because his lawyers failed to make the claim for lawsuit within the prescribed limitations period. Instead, the Justice Dept simply settled before the issue of dead limitations and/or real damages could be broached at trial. Trump essentially settled with himself. How convenient. The taxpayers were not defended when it was the Justice Department's obligation to do so. What a joke. Somehow I don't think this is news to anyone in Congress, hence the disgust expressed from both parties. If they didn't know the settlement was cooked, their disgust is surely mountainous now. Good luck Todd Blanche at your ratification hearing in the Senate on Wednesday. First question: Why don't you sign your name to a written version of your verbal agreement that fund won't be dispersed? "Umm ... well ... uhh ..." Hearing should end right there. But now he has to explain why the govt settled when the claim was flawed. He should go get a root canal instead. It would be much less painful. Trump dictates the settlement to himself as $177.6 billion purely as a cute play on words. There was NOTHING remotely patriotic about this farce. Another national embarrassment. One every day it seems. What a clown show.
 
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The Benz would be rusty by now, but investing in your kids is the best investment you'll ever make.
Absolutely, one thing I don't need to ever worry is having to support my kids as adults which unfortunately a lot of parents seem to have to do nowadays.

Additionally, in regard to my daughter I did not want her standard of living to be dependent on the kind of marriage she made.

The meme below shows my feelings in regard to education for both of my kids. :unsure:

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So now we know. The "Weaponization Fund" "settlement" was cooked. Pathetic. The Justice Dept could have had Trump's lawsuit thrown out of court because he failed to make the claim within the prescribed limitations period. Instead, they simply settled before the issue of dead limitations could be broached at trial. Trump essentially settled with himself. The taxpayers were not defended when it was the Justice Department's obligation to do so. What a joke.
Reversed on appeal.
 
I agree, and would have ended with far less residual anger. Even Brazil, where agricultural practices were far more primitive, had ended slavery by 1888 (last nation in the Western Hemisphere). It is unlikely to have survived much later than the early seventies in the Southern states.
While I believe slavery was a catalyst for the war between the states , and drummed up a lot of angst in the north, its hard for me to visualize any of my southern relatives owning slaves as most were barefoot and too poor to buy one , should they have had a need for one. Large plantation owners not so much. there was a strong sentiment for states rights and anti tax on cotton among other things. Its likely the same today if we were to have a redo of the civil war and history stated emphatically it was about abortion probably not really. while some Cherokee owned slaves it wasnt wide spread for them.
While religious zealots took up that mantle in the north, its a fact that the south was a very" bible belt" population itself.
And again Gen LEE said I must support my state, Virginia. That is my personal belief and will probably cause the war to be refought now on this forum. But I was born in Texas and my Mothers side from Georgia, sooo.
 
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