Politics

[Rocked and Loaded]

The vaccine provided protection from the transmission. Kind of like a bullet proof vest - your going to get hit but the outcome will be much better.

You misunderstood his post.

Initially the Covid vaccination was being touted as reducing transmission by the infected, then as more data came out the CDC changed their reasoning for recommending the vaccine. Rather then being recommended to protect others, it was reccomended solely to protect oneself and reduce hospitalizations.

I don’t know if the current version is the same but that’s what happened with the original. It’s also why people stopped whining about the unvaccinated “killing grandma” since it had become clear that the only person the vaccine protected was the one who had it.

 

[Brent in Az]

Weird, because your post that started this particular issue referred specifically to all immigrants, legal and illegal.

Odd shift on your part.

No shift at all. I have no problems with legal immigrants who follow the laws, and don't game the system. We all come from immigrant ancestry.
All others I have a big problem with.

 

[Brent in Az]

If they were the only ones then how can they be superior to anything unless you mean they were superior to the beasts?

It's all subjective

 

[LivingTheDream]

The federal government is in charge of immigration law, not the states, nor municipalities. Locals are in no way required to enforce federal immigration law. Go Google the "anti-commandeering" doctrine and the tenth amendment. Local enforcement is voluntary. Aren't you people the ones always crowing about states-rights?...More right-wing hypocrisy, keep it coming.

I would say that this is correct based on a strict interpretation of the 10th, given state police powers. However, the supremacy clause in the constitution means federal law supersedes state law.

What is a bit unprecedented is that states are willingfully ignoring law enforcement requests, meaning that states are not arresting (enforcing) people for being illegal, but they ignoring the requests of the federal law enforcement.

The easiest way to address this would be to remove all federal funds from states that refuse to cooperate with federal law enforcement actions.

 

[Killingtime]

But all ethnic cultures are like that as new arrivals to a greater or lessor degree.

Italians brought the mafia, Irish had their own organized crime, Russians, Vietnamese, just about every culture I can think of brings their own organized crime with it.


If I had the time I would be happy to point out the gross flaws and the bogus numbers they use, but all that stuff is publicly available if you make the time to research it properly.

But I do know that when a inquiry starts using terms like "demonic" or other gross pejoratives and it is financed by a party that refuses to kick out the known neo-nazis who join it is not a good source of information.

Surely you consider the reliability of a source of information before you value its claims?

You can start questioning when you see a private interest organization using the term "inquiry" to try and lend a quasi-official air to what is effectively an opinion piece. That kind of stuff should set off all of your alarm bells if you care about the quality of your sources.

For instance, I did a trial recently where a defence expert tried to rely on a pysch study by two American "academics" who were very pro-pedo in their views. Once the judge say the ridiculous bias of the authors and how their field reacted to their work she didn't give any weight to that evidence (I think it was the only pysch research ever specifically condemned by both Houses of Congress).

Only saying this because organized crime is a favorite top of mine. The Italians didn’t bring the mafia persay. It existed as the black hand in Italy but it was the Jewish immigrants that helped build the Italian mafia here in America. Jewish mafia existed in the late 19th century in America and the Italians didn’t start to develop till the 1910’s. Arnold Rothstein(brilliant man) mentored lucky Luciano which reshaped the Italian mob. And Meyer lanskey, bugsy Siegel, and mickey cohen brought a a different view of business. They combined with murder inc(Italians) and removed much of the Sicilian influence.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I didn't say anything about Somali immigrants. I was referring to the average immigrant. If one group poses a larger financial burden than another then we can adjust immigration quotas base don that then.

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

I need to dive into the numbers and the sources more but some of it doesnt add up, how are immigrants paying more in federal tax but less in state tax, but also more in sales tax, and what is renter property tax?

The other thing that I find somewhat troubling with the data was that they specifically state immigrants are working with fake or stolen credentials and therefore dont always file tax returns. Is this a crime in of itself? And how do they even define the percentage.

I also need to review how Census and others were defining some of the terms.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

No doubt about it.

But they never had the power of the state to ban their language, rip their children away from their families, engage in widespread sexual abuse etc.

Indigenous racists are just common assholes, like any other asshole. The white racists in Canada used the power of the state to pummel those folks based on their race.

Two very different things.

No now they’ve got the power to hold a the commerce of the whole country hostage any time they feel like burning tires in the middle of a highway or the power to stop pipelines that would benefit every Canadian.

 

[LivingTheDream]

No doubt about it.

But they never had the power of the state to ban their language, rip their children away from their families, engage in widespread sexual abuse etc.

Indigenous racists are just common assholes, like any other asshole. The white racists in Canada used the power of the state to pummel those folks based on their race.

Two very different things.

Unfortunately I think you are describing pretty much every conquering force in history.

 

[RLD]

No now they’ve got the power to hold a the commerce of the whole country hostage any time they feel like burning tires in the middle of a highway or the power to stop pipelines that would benefit every Canadian.

You gotta give them credit. They have learned how to exert power very well within the system that we have created.

 

[Wheels]

Don Quijote

Interesting to see the Spanish perspective. Americans and British have a way of rewriting proper nouns from other languages into English. ie: Bombay Peking etc. The English translation of Cervantes work is Don Quixote.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

You gotta give them credit. They have learned how to exert power very well within the system that we have created.

I would give them credit if they used the opportunities they had to raise there people out of squalor instead of asking for ever increasing handouts and farming they’re resources out too enrich a select few of the leaders , until that time I’ll continue to see them as little more than professional protesters.

 

[spike.t]

 

[steve white]

They are pretty crafty for sure , 1 gen don’t always assimilate very well ( we have had employees here 20+ years and still don’t speak but basic English) most are fairly honest, unless they need some thing, like a box of trash bags, toilet paper, shovels, ect

Have to also consider the children of immigrants who become gang bangers.....not productive citizens.

 

[Nyati]

Interesting to see the Spanish perspective. Americans and British have a way of rewriting proper nouns from other languages into English. ie: Bombay Peking etc. The English translation of Cervantes work is Don Quixote.

Centuries ago, x was pronounced as j.

Mexico and Méjico.

 

[Killingtime]

Pretty much every religion views itself as superior to all others.

And in Canada, we have a plenty ugly history of white folks viewing themselves as superior to other races.

Racism is not just an immigrant problem.

Every race views or has viewed themselves as superior. Many tribes in Africa historically look down on everyone else killed and enslaved the weaker groups. The lakota, Comanche, Apache, crow, Blackfoot all have a long storied history of killing and slaving everyone they came across and those are just the western half of the American tribes plenty on the eastern half to name as well.

Europeans descent are not the only culprits of atrocities in the americas. They just happened to be the winners at that time. Just like the Aztecs were the winners in Mexico before the Spanish came.

 

[deewayne2003]

I don’t know about anyone else’s experience with Mexicans but I can offer my experience locally. The Nova Scotia government brought in between 400 and 600 depending on who’s number you believe and housed them in predominantly French areas thinking they would assimilate similar languages both catholic populations ect. Mexicans are a very industrious people they will work all day in fish plants and then turn around and steal copper or illegally dig clams all night in closed areas.

Funny, decades living and working amongst illegal immigrants from Mexico in the Texas construction industry taught me that they can work all day, come to the jobsite at night and load up materials and fuel; then spend their weekends doing remodeling work for cash making 100% profit off their stolen materials and fuel.

 

[deewayne2003]

Actually.....they were superior, until we came along and destroyed their way of life.

You should read about the Comanche and understand their history and life mantra.....

If the Comanche had sea worthy ships and cannons they most certainly would have "Colonized" Europe.

 

[Killingtime]

You should read about the Comanche and understand their history and life mantra.....

If the Comanche had sea worthy ships and cannons they most certainly would have "Colonized" Europe.

Empire of the summer moon is a good book on them.

We had several military leaders in the mid 19th century that said if the Comanche had repeater rifles we never would have kept America. People should look up why west texas and New Mexico aren’t Spanish speaking areas even 150 years ago. The Comanche kept the Spanish out

 

[Tanks]

Have to also consider the children of immigrants who become gang bangers.....not productive citizens.

How do you reconcile those in the inner cities who become gang bangers and not productive citizens? They have been here for generations.

 

[fourfive8]

TANKS. No need to reconcile anything. Reconcile implies equivalency. Since when does a non citizen rate equivalency to a citizen? No need for equivalency! Treat citizen criminal gang members as criminals, try them and “deport” them to jail. Treat alien and non citizen criminals as criminals and deport them back to home country or any country who will take them. Then maintain strict legal entry requirements and closed border policy like we’ve been doing under Trump. It is not complicated,