Politics

[Big_Easy]

Counselor, it's a weak argument to reject something based on the source, and not on the veracity of the arguments presented.

Thats funny, you guys do that all the time with the sources I cite.

 

[Tanks]

LOL ....immigrants, legal or otherwise ,send over $90 billion dollars annually to their home countries. Economic dollars being drained from this country.

Would you rather the people they are helping out came here instead?

BTW, our trade deficit is an order of magnitude higher, a much greater drain on the economy. Interestingly it has gone up significantly during the current Trump term so far. I thought tariffs were going to help with that.

 

[Big_Easy]

LOL ....immigrants, legal or otherwise ,send over $90 billion dollars annually to their home countries. Economic dollars being drained from this country.

The amount of money that leaves our economy every year via stock buybacks and dividends to foreign holders is much larger than that every year. And Trump supporters don't ever seem to care about that?

And then there's this:

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

 

[Big_Easy]

Oh really? Check your math for the Samali’s in MN. Over 80% still on welfare after years of being there.

So you admit that you are for open borders? You’ve really drank the kool-aid.

I didn't say anything about Somali immigrants. I was referring to the average immigrant. If one group poses a larger financial burden than another then we can adjust immigration quotas base don that then.

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Pretty much every religion views itself as superior to all others.

And in Canada, we have a plenty ugly history of white folks viewing themselves as superior to other races.

Racism is not just an immigrant problem.

We’ve also got plenty of recent history of the indigenous viewing themselves as superior and above the law in recent memory if that is what you are alluding too.

 

[Big_Easy]

Nah.....like many here, he can see your leftard troll spew for what it really is.....a big load of bullshit.

Typical of you, more personal insults rather than even attempting to debate someone on the merit of the issues. Keep on trolling buddy.

 

[Brent in Az]

My mother was Austrian. Came to Canada legally in 1957 and always sent money back home to help out her widowed mother. Downright seditious.

I represented a cabbie who had legally immigrated to Canada from Pakistan. He always sent money back home to his family who lived in abject poverty.

I kind of thought the whole idea of a free country is you could do what you want with your money. I guess you don't see America that way.

Well guess what Einstein, much of that money earned is not always reported, properly reported or taxed, particularly from the illegals. All the while milking the food stamp and welfare programs. Some of the more nefarious individuals use those channels as a money laundering source
It doesn't mirror those of us who aren't gaming the system.

 

[SFRanger7GP]

I learned Spanish working construction and landscaping with Mexicans as a teenager. Now days, most young people do not work thanks to their parents. It is normal to see Mexicans doing the lawn and pool work while the teenagers are sitting on the porch playing with their phone. A large part of society thinks their children are geniuses bound for college and common labor is beneath them.

I have spent the greater part of my life working in Latin America and being with Latinos. I will boldly state that I have a true "insider" opinion. Years ago, I worked with BORTAC in the El Paso and Tucson sectors during a support cycle. We had to have permission or a warrant to enter private properties on the border. It was always granted but often came with a "don't detain family X, they cross every year for work and then go back home." It was incredible how obvious it was if someone crossing was coming for work or crime and freebies.

Latinos often look at me as "one of them" and the ones that don't know me assume it is impossible that I speak or understand Spanish. I have constant access to some great "chisme" (gossip). Years ago, Latinos would often approach me asking if I knew where they could find work without papers in the US. I would listen to conversations about guaranteed work with a friend or family member if they could find a way into the US. Now the conversations are primarily about what they can get free in the US (and other countries). I listened to a group of young people recently on a FaceTime call talking to a "prima" (cousin) in the US about what to say when the Border Patrol or Immigration catches them. Names and contacts for groups that will help them (mostly churches) and all their rights and freebies. Not the first time I have heard those conversations and believe me, it makes my blood boil. Mama often has Colombians asking if her Gringo husband will help them. She has been very clear telling them her Gringo is a very patriotic US citizen and military veteran and he does not support or condone illegal activities against his country. She also adds that she is a US citizen and military spouse and does not support illegal activities against the US either. But they still try. Don't even get me started on the "marriage for papers".

I don't have an answer, just thoughts and opinions. The "measured intelligence" for a VISA is an interesting thought. But most alleged geniuses are successful in their own country and have a VISA to the US. Many even have homes in the US and do the back and forth living between countries like we do. I do know we have a lot of hard working, productive members of society that are in the US illegally now. Why can't we have a program to "fast track" them to become US citizens. Also continue to fast track the parasites back to where they came from.

In general, the days of the hard working illegal immigrant that wants the American dream is over. Now, most of the new wave of illegals and immigrants want to live off the taxpayer or work enough to live off a small social security check in their native country. Economic status and intelligence level aside, if a person isn't a productive member of society in their own country, do we really think they will become "employee of the month" in the US or cure cancer?

Just a few thoughts as I enjoy a morning cocktail on my balcony in the Eje Cafetero.

Have a safe and pleasant weekend.

 

[Brent in Az]

Would you rather the people they are helping out came here instead?

BTW, our trade deficit is an order of magnitude higher, a much greater drain on the economy. Interestingly it has gone up significantly during the current Trump term so far. I thought tariffs were going to help with that.
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In case you haven't heard, Trump's tariffs got overturned and have to be refunded.
You know.....all the crybabies that threw a hissy fit over the tariffs......

 

[Brent in Az]

We’ve also got plenty of recent history of the indigenous viewing themselves as superior and above the law in recent memory if that is what you are alluding too.

Actually.....they were superior, until we came along and destroyed their way of life.

 

[Brent in Az]

Typical of you, more personal insults rather than even attempting to debate someone on the merit of the issues. Keep on trolling buddy.

You are nothing but a fu**ing hypocrite .
You Insult someone by telling him he has no balls, and then complain to me about insults towards you?
Why don't you crawl back to leftist loony land, and go pound sand. Take that shriveled little beta sack with you.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Actually.....they were superior, until we came along and destroyed their way of life.

Superior to what exactly? I don’t buy in to the noble Indian propaganda that they’re selling. They were warlike peoples committing atrocities against each other and guilty of all the same temptations and vices as any other groups of humans. The Mi’kmaq made war on the Beothuk before Europeans even visited Nova Scotia.

 

[Brent in Az]

Superior to what exactly? I don’t buy in to the noble Indian propaganda that they’re selling. They were warlike peoples committing atrocities against each other and guilty of all the same temptations and vices as any other groups of humans. The Mi’kmaq made war on the Beothuk before Europeans even visited Nova Scotia.

They were the superior ( and only) native races in north America before the white man came along. Indians warred against each other, yes, but so did the white man. Man against man atrocities have happened since Adam & Eve.

 

[Tanks]

In case you haven't heard, Trump's tariffs got overturned and have to be refunded.
You know.....all the crybabies that threw a hissy fit over the tariffs......

It got overturned on February 20, 2026. The numbers I showed were from 2024 and 2025.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

They were the superior ( and only) native races in north America before the white man came along. Indians warred against each other, yes, but so did the white man. Man against man atrocities have happened since Adam & Eve.

If they were the only ones then how can they be superior to anything unless you mean they were superior to the beasts?

 

[RLD]

Well guess what Einstein, much of that money earned is not always reported, properly reported or taxed, particularly from the illegals. All the while milking the food stamp and welfare programs. Some of the more nefarious individuals use those channels as a money laundering source
It doesn't mirror those of us who aren't gaming the system.

Surely you don't suggest that great captains of industry or those born in the USA don't engage in tax evasion?

 

[RLD]

Superior to what exactly? I don’t buy in to the noble Indian propaganda that they’re selling. They were warlike peoples committing atrocities against each other and guilty of all the same temptations and vices as any other groups of humans. The Mi’kmaq made war on the Beothuk before Europeans even visited Nova Scotia.

Totally correct.

I remember this great quote from an award winning Western history book I read a few years ago.

One native american tribe had just kicked the shit out of another tribe and a government official was interviewing a high ranking member of the winning tribe.

He asked him "Why did you make war on that tribe."

The answer was "They had better lands then we did and we wanted them."

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

The way the Ottawas made war on the British in Ontario was very savage and deceptive.

 

[Brent in Az]

Surely you don't suggest that great captains of industry or those born in the USA don't engage in tax evasion?

They do , and should be punished in the same manner as anyone else, however, they are not illegals slinking in from abroad who committed a crime the minute they stepped over the border

 

[RLD]

They do , and should be punished in the same manner as anyone else, however, they are not illegals slinking in from abroad who committed a crime the minute they stepped over the border

Weird, because your post that started this particular issue referred specifically to all immigrants, legal and illegal.

Odd shift on your part.

 

[RLD]

We’ve also got plenty of recent history of the indigenous viewing themselves as superior and above the law in recent memory if that is what you are alluding too.

No doubt about it.

But they never had the power of the state to ban their language, rip their children away from their families, engage in widespread sexual abuse etc.

Indigenous racists are just common assholes, like any other asshole. The white racists in Canada used the power of the state to pummel those folks based on their race.

Two very different things.