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[Hunt anything]

Ok guys, just scroll through the various replies over the last two pages - everything from parking on the street to the Lord’s role in the American revolution. I am not saying this thread is dynamic, I am not sure what to call it. It’s certainly entertaining.

It certainly does cover a lot of bases doesn’t it!

 

[Scott CWO]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2025/05/22/crime_rates_of_illegal_migrants_underreported_152825.html

No surprise here. Except maybe for @RLD

I have never messaged with someone so committed to misunderstanding.

 

[Big_Easy]

Laughable.

What argument am I losing? I posted a meme and some facts. Those facts are still true- no argument anywhere. Hard to be losing an argument thats not taking place, or by using truth to express information.

What insults, especially childish ones, did I resort to?

Darvo? Like what you did to my original post and continue to do?

Projection, accusations, gaslighting, lies? Name them. I posted a meme, then I proved its merit, and called out the hypocrisy of your ilk and postings. ... show me one thing, using my entire posts for full context, where I lied. You haven't yet (just changed your wording, aka moved the goalposts), and can't.

Speaking of alternative facts, what does Kellyanne Conway have to do with anything I posted? Damn, another showing of your hypocrisy: Trying to call me out for doing something that you are literally in the middle of doing yourself!

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"what does Kellyanne Conway have to do with anything"......Dude......"Alternative facts" is a phrase coined by Kellyanne Conway, advisor to President Donald J. Trump, on January 22, 2017.

Does that clear it up? You used her saying and then feined ignorance?

"show me one thing, using my entire posts for full context, where I lied"...ok, see the one below.

"Every. Single. President AND candidate said that Iran needed to stop building nuclear capability or face an invasion/bombing from the United States."...I can find no evidence that President Obama ever said that we needed to bomb and invade Iran. And I seriously doubt Bernie Sanders ever said such nonsense when he was running for president.

Admit it, you're just mad that I policed/refereed you meme for inaccuracies and delivered you a red card.

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[Big_Easy]

And you sir when confronted with facts just pivot like Hillary Clinton and then bring up some nonsense about ....... Blah Blah Blah while adding no context then end with a attempted intellectual quip.

Example "Facts matter Obama deported more people than Trump"

Obama deported more people because the borders were open, if you deport 3.1mil people but let another 7mil in you are just bending statistics to match your opinion while continuing mass illegal immigration...... To benefit your parties congressional & Senate seats.

Just like the Democrats bloviating about "Kids in cages" when Trump is in office, when Obama built the cages and even went around south Texas buying up old resorts and hotels to park them in; not to mention the free flights to the interior of the country under Biden.

Then Texas starts bussing illegals to NYC, Chicago & Martha's Vineyard...... Oh how the sky fell when mayors of sanctuary cities had to deal with the very problem they help create.

Oh and FYI - Obama's step father(Lolo Soetoro) was a thug for GB Senior and was rewarded with oil rights in Indonesia; Obama inherited these making him one of the largest PRIVATE beneficiaries of petroleum in the world.

Judge Joe Brown lays it out best....

Well the post mentioned deportations, not boarder polices. So I responded with a fact about a democrat president and his deportations.

And what does oil rights in Indonesia have to do with anything we were discussing. Talk about a red herring man.

 

[Big_Easy]

I’m not sure how you say the supply is fixed? What’s preventing you from starting a construction business, obtaining permits from every institution known to mankind, then putting a pencil to costs and discovering whether you can build a 2 bedroom one bath home and sell it for a profit? Supply is not fixed just no motivation/profit in building lower cost housing. I should know, I’ve built over 500 homes in the last 30 years, almost all of them under $200 thousand. 1500 to 2100 sq ft.

"I’m not sure how you say the supply is fixed?" Of smaller starter homes, yes. The link I posted demonstrates that only about 7% of new SFH builds are less than 1400SF. If you look at the old definition of "Starter home" it was usually under 1000 SF. The current rate of production for these homes (under 1000 SF) is essentially zero. The current knockdown/teardown rate for SFH is about 7%. Several internet links will discuss how these teardown are almost always smaller homes, with new larger ones built upon them. Some say less than 1000 SF< some say 1500 SF. SO yeah, 7%-7% is about 0. That's why I said the starter home supply is essentially fixed.

 

[Big_Easy]

There’s a documentary that is on YouTube of the guy who made 5 hr energy drinks. He created a company of engineers with the sole purpose of inventing things that would improve people’s lives. They made a machine the removed salt from sea water and ionized the water so it could be used for crops and drank. He had an idea of outfitting tankers up and down the cost lines and pumping water to the shores. I wonder why no one has considered doing it. It’s a pretty cool idea

I'll all for desalination if you've got the energy for it....If you dont have an energy problem, then you dont have a water problem.

 

[Big_Easy]

So, is it fair to say that there was no subsidy (in the traditional sense of the government providing direct financial incentives) that Obama removed?
You point to low coal royalties and provide a reference I suppose offering that as a quasi subsidy. The majority of those leases are Powder River Basin coal and only affect a few individual companies that operate there. The leasing is done via a bidding process. Its been my experience that buyers and sellers tend to finalize deals when the parties agree on the value of the item on offer. The fact that a private landowner in KY, WV, PA, AL, etc received far more doesn’t seem to me to be relevant.
Coal is not just coal… PRB is sub bituminous coal. Bituminous and anthracite bring higher prices generally due to higher heating value (BTU/lb). PRB is “steam” coal; some of those higher royalties are likely in metallurgical (coke making) grade coal which command far higher prices. And why would we assume that a property owner in one location would necessarily be willing to accept the same payment as someone in another location? There were quite a few posts a few pages back talking about building lot/acreage and building costs $/ft2). Seemed like a lot of variability to me. Was the guy selling at the low end getting screwed? Well maybe but it could be he just sold for what the best buyer was willing to pay.
I don’t care to go deep on Obama era coal regs but I will say that industry efforts to reduce emissions (you mention flue gas desulfurization) were underway decades before Obama took office. You can google it or use AI to verify but probably more than 70% of plants had scrubbers in place before he was elected. He did implement MATS and the Clean Power Plan which effectively chilled investment (e.g. new builds or continued upgrades) by putting some requirements on plants that were essentially unachievable with best available technology. Clearly, this was all part of a push to move generation away from coal. And yeah, low gas prices associated with the shale boom played a major role as well.
I heat with gas. We have a glut of it here in the northeast now. As I understand it, pipeline networks designed to deliver gas to this area aren’t as effective at sending it out of here to where it is most valuable. I suspect that things will level out one day and our utility bills will reflect more commodity pricing than the current hub price.
I’m an all of the above guy who spent a career in mining. I have no problem with nuclear but as a mining engineer who has traveled a fair amount across the US, I can tell you I’ve been to exactly one uranium mine (and it was by no means large scale). Just saying that you might want to google what percentage of US uranium usage is sourced here.
Again, I’m an all of the above guy but I do believe wind and solar get a pass that fossil fuels don’t get (permitting, bonding, etc). Might interest you to watch a film produced by none other than Michael Moore.

Pretty easy just to wave away manufacturing cost, disposal, wildlife interaction, social concerns (noise, visual dislike) as non issues when you believe the benefit outweighs the cost and the cost doesn’t directly affect you (NIMBY). The documentary provides some insight from an unlikely source.
It flies under the radar most of the time but here in the PJM grid, we still rely on a few coal workhorses to kick in when the temperatures rise or fall dramatically. They keep the lights on and some folks realize it. Most only see the headline “Eco group sues to prevent extension of closure deadline of XYZ plant.” FERC and the grid operators are tasked with keeping the lights in. Those groups are not.

Considering that almost half of the coal is mined out of the Powder River Basin. Its very relevant, the leases are also renewed from time to time (~20years) thats even more relevant. That's when you renegotiate based upon the new market rate. That's what we would call capitalism. Unless of course you're advocating against capitalism? Intentionally keeping/creating favorable market conditions is a form of subsidies.

 

[Pondoro]

So..is the Pope a libtard now..? Since he disagree with Trump..?

 

[Big_Easy]

Since Big Easy is all in for the virtue signaling of green energy, I think he should be paying for the increased cost, ALL the cost, of the green power and not forcing others down that path of self righteous indanity.

Also, the residual parts, outdated and failed structural components can be taken to his neighborhood for disposal. Throw the pieces into an incinerator and presto…easy disposal. Big Easy and those like him never get the facts straight nor can they be force fed the facts. Much of a windmill’s structure is carbon fiber based. It is NOT simply a fiberglass reinforced base polymer. A nasty secret of carbon fiber based structures is that the carbon fiber becomes friable upon failure, handling or post-use disposal. Those on the “inside” of the handling and disposal industry for such products call it another “asbestos”, equal or worse than the original. If buried or encased in a poured epoxy casket, no one is quite sure of the half life of the carbon fiber. But given the nature of carbon, at least millions of years. If burned in an incinerator, two hazards are produced —- airborne carbon fiber particles and toxic byproduct gases of the base “plastics/polymers”.

So Big Easy, keep your green power generation in your back yard, you pay for the increased electricity cost and mitigation cost of the environmental damage done during the manufacturing. And you keep the disposal in your backyard and you pay for that disposal. Then you can feel good and virtuous about it.

"Big Easy and those like him never get the facts straight"...you mean like the facts that are listed through my posts, and cited with links? You mean those facts? So lets see, you get mad at me bc I dont post enough sources, then you don't like those sources that I do post, and instead of admitting that they disagree with your beliefs, you then claim that I'm not interested in the facts. Got it.

.."Those on the “inside” of the handling and disposal industry for such products call it another “asbestos”....No they don't. Only specific types of CF like carbon nano-tubes and nano-fibers would do that. And besides, we weren't talking about the production/manufacture of them, we were talking about disposal buddy. Who's moving the goalposts now?

"airborne carbon fiber particles and toxic byproduct gases of the base “plastics/polymers”...yeah once again no. That's why I said an incinerator, and not open air buring. Modern incinerators have pollution control equipment installed.

I think you're all just mad that historically someone else had to look at an unsightly nasty coat-fired power plant and you didn't. Someone else got their well water contaminated by unlined coal ash ponds and you didn't. And now that companies are putting wind turbines and solar panels on property near you, you've all gone full NIMBY. You've gotten a taste of our own medicine and you dont like it. Like I said before, if you dont like my buring suggestion, bury them in a landfill with all the other shit people refuse to recycle...there's plenty of space left.

 

[Tbitty]

"what does Kellyanne Conway have to do with anything"......Dude......"Alternative facts" is a phrase coined by Kellyanne Conway, advisor to President Donald J. Trump, on January 22, 2017.

Does that clear it up? You used her saying and then feined ignorance?

I dont claim to be any great scholar, and I did not even know who Conway was until I had to search her name after you brought her up. Even then I didn't know that "Alternative facts" is some magic phrase that only she can use or be associated with. But go ahead and tell yourself otherwise, it is quite nice having a rent-free space in your head.

"show me one thing, using my entire posts for full context, where I lied"...ok, see the one below.

"Every. Single. President AND candidate said that Iran needed to stop building nuclear capability or face an invasion/bombing from the United States."...I can find no evidence that President Obama ever said that we needed to bomb and invade Iran. And I seriously doubt Bernie Sanders ever said such nonsense when he was running for president.

https://www.npr.org/2015/04/07/397933577/transcript-president-obamas-full-npr-interview-on-iran-nuclear-deal

Barack Obama warns Iran that US is still prepared to take military action

US president seeks to shore up US deterrence in the Middle East and warns action against Iranian nuclear programme

www.theguardian.com

There are 2 (of many) examples of Obama against Iran having nuclear capability. Google can be your friend to learn something instead of lying by repeating liberal bullshit. You said you "can find no evidence" of Obama, but I found those articles in a 10 second search. You are either a terrible liar, or completely incompetent at research. If you fell in a barrel of tits, you'd come out sucking your thumb.

I also said I would modify the meme to say "meaningful candidate," which Bernie is/was not. Nonetheless, here's what he was saying in 2015.

Redirect Notice

In fairness, as had been the case with all my posts while you just pick and choose your content, Bernie did not threaten military action against Iran, he only took the stance they should not be allowed to have nuclear capability.

After video review, it has been confirmed the lies to come from the Left, and the foul has been changed to player BigEasy. That player is disqualified from the contest.

 

[Pheroze]

LILLEY: Olivia Chow's Toronto adopts DEI for trees with new tree equity policy

Olivia Chow's new Tree equity policy is really just a DEI project for determining if your neighbourhood deserves more trees. Read more.

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[Killingtime]

I'll all for desalination if you've got the energy for it....If you dont have an energy problem, then you dont have a water problem.

Yes but big easy like altitude sickness said water is more critical then oil or electricity. So if people need fresh water to drink shouldn’t that take priority. Especially in California where they spent god knows how many billions on homeless(without actually helping any of them) or that railway. The government waste money on everything why not waste a little on finding a solution to a real problem for once.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Exactly. Make it similar to Eisenhower’s interstate highway projects. Send kids to trade school then put them to work.

It’s simple. Major rivers and lakes have a mean (normal) level. Mark that and any time it exceeds a certain level. The excess is simply going to end up in the ocean anyway.

Pump it west to fill reservoirs.

Maybe we shut down a few Minneapolis Learing Centers and some LA hospice centers to pay for it.

 

[Tanks]

TANKS You would be the first to be invited.

I would be delighted. Historical fiction is one of my favorite genres for reading.

 

[Brent in Az]

Iran has announced that the SoH is open for passage.
The Scandanavians will have to find a new Trump issue to whine about.....

 

[Altitude sickness]

It’s hilarious listening to the Leftist’s changing their primary Iran war complaints daily.
Now it’s the details of the peace deal.

Chief complaint I’ve heard this AM is :
Conflating Trump’s release of Iranian funds if the deal holds. To Obama’s release that secured nothing. Iran funneled money for ISIS beheading school girls then burning them in cages. Or drowning them in cages.
Obama’s deal funded Hezbollah and Hamas attacks across the globe.

Trump release of Irans funds. Will be spent on moving rubble.

“ $120 billion in Iranian assets are frozen. Held in multiple countries . They consist of oil revenues and foreign reserves held by Iran's major trading partners, who act as "involuntary custodians" to avoid U.S. secondary sanctions. “

 

[Brent in Az]

I would be delighted. Historical fiction is one of my favorite genres for reading.

You sound like a lake of fire kinda guy.....

 

[Brent in Az]

No surprise here. Except maybe for @RLD

I have never messaged with someone so committed to misunderstanding.

When you argue with a guy who probably had to make 4 or 5 attempts to pass the BAR exam......lol

 

[Brent in Az]

Some America hating house Dems filed articles of impeachment against Hegseth.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I wish I was in the room with the Iranian leaders in Pakistan when;

China was chewing their ass to make a deal.

They got news that Israel has been killing every Hezbollah member in their sights. That Hezbollah is decimated. 4000-5000 dead. 20,000 wounded.

The strait is now held by the U.S.

So which of those three chokeholds tipped the scales.

They were actually considering telling China to pack sand, that they will sell the oil somewhere else. The Strait was pressure of course.

But I’m guessing what tipped the scales is their primary terrorists. Hezbollah just got ended by Israel.