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[Brent in Az]

Perhaps that’s because some of his supporters only have 1/4 of a brain?

That's certainly 1/4 more than any Democrat lemming has

 

[Killingtime]

The facts say otherwise:

https://www.lazard.com/media/5tlbhyla/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025-_vf.pdf

Solar and On-shore wind are the two cheapest forms of electricity production. Combined cycle gas is third, depending upon location.

“Build a road to each one and destroy wildlife habitat”

Have you seen what the oil and gas industry does to the land? Each well head requires a road as well, and a pad, and a tailings pond, especially for fracked wells. Go to google maps right now and zoom in on west texas. All that visible scare tissue on the land isnt from wind turbines.

Sir have you seen the wind fields? in Texas around amarillo, midwestern states like Wisconsin/Illinois or east Colorado/west Kansas? There pretty unsightly. Always loaded with dead birds under them. And the solar fields down here in the south ruin good grazing and agricultural ground. The ones put in the north make me really wonder the real purpose since it’s the best ag land in America and snows 1/3 the year so not the best use for solar.

While you may be right on cost of new wind systems being cheap per mwh it’s unrealistic to think that America can run on wind and solar as a standalone or even majority. Even Elon musk says that’s not possible…I’m not saying you are saying that only that the argument for wind and solar used constantly is for its total replacement of fossil fuels.

 

[Big_Easy]

Quite a lot. Whataboutisms are never an attractive means of making an argument however

It’s not whataboutism, it was me merely pointing out the agrument that several members mentioned as a reason that wind turbines are environmentally unfriendly, and we should not build them.

But they conveniently left out the fact that the oil industry is orders of magnitude’s worse and they didn’t seem to have any issue with that. Supportive even, looks like a red-herring to me.

 

[deewayne2003]

The facts say otherwise:

https://www.lazard.com/media/5tlbhyla/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025-_vf.pdf

Solar and On-shore wind are the two cheapest forms of electricity production. Combined cycle gas is third, depending upon location.

“Build a road to each one and destroy wildlife habitat”

Have you seen what the oil and gas industry does to the land? Each well head requires a road as well, and a pad, and a tailings pond, especially for fracked wells. Go to google maps right now and zoom in on west texas. All that visible scare tissue on the land isnt from wind turbines.

Solar - If solar is so great and "clean energy" then why does the soil under those solar panels need remediation to deal with leached heavy metals, microbial sterilization, nutrient leaching, PH distortion?

Further remediation is needed if the solar panels were broken.... such as hail, tornados, wind or flood.

On shore wind - 90% of the blades are made in China, carried over on diesel boats, hauled hundreds of miles on diesel burning trucks and all so they can have a 10 year life span at the end of which they are buried in landfills.

That's a D-10 Dozer burying those worn out turbine blades; to put that in scale, here is a pic of 17 grown men standing beside a D-10 CAT.

Then there is the exemption permit the wind energy sector has, they are exempt from repercussions based on killing large birds of prey - If the oil industry killed as many raptors as the wind industry there would literally be people in federal prison over it.

 

[RLD]

One comment regarding all this comparative data. Let's say for arguments sake that out of 100 murders native born Americans commit 85 of them and illegal aliens commit only 15 of them.

You do away with the illegal aliens then you have 15 less murders.

I don't care about the comparisons and how illegal aliens might commit less crimes, point is without them there would be less crimes overall period.

As I mentioned above, in straight arithmatic this approach clearly makes sense. But it does not coincide with the reality on the ground.

There are a large number of illegal aliens already in the United States and more trying to get in every day. It costs money to stop the ones coming, and it costs money to root out and move out the ones already in.

The question then becomes one of resource allocation doesn't it? If you need to spend $X in alleviating the illegal alien problem and it would prevent say 15 murders, but if you spent the same $X on general crime prevention and you prevent 16 murders than from a crime prevention point of view you don't prioritize illegal aliens.

Now, it is only part of the picture, as I mentioned much earlier there are other rational reasons for well controlled borders, but the crime argument is a weak one.

And to paint an inaccurate picture of illegal aliens as hordes of bloodthirsty criminals is misleading and more than a little xenophobic.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I would have loved to been included in the conference call when Nancy Pelosi gave CNN their marching orders. For them to help get rid of Swalwell.

The deal was made in advance. That if the Republicans would agree to loose Gonzales the Democrats would broom Swalwell.

There is another side deal going to make it a total of 2 D’s and 2 R’s getting the broom. Who said there isn’t Bipartisanship.

It’s actually nice to see politicians get fired. But hilarious to watch CNN dancing on the end of the Democrat strings.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

That's certainly 1/4 more than any Democrat lemming has

Oh yes, the "but, but, we couldn't vote for her!" defense. And I suppose about now Harris would be declaring herself the Virgin Mary? You know, somehow I just don't think that's her style. But Trump? Yeah, him posing as the Messiah does not surprise me. Not at all. I mean, that's all the guy talks about is how great he is ... in sentences of no more than six words containing two syllables or less.

 

[AJ Peacock]

The facts say otherwise:

https://www.lazard.com/media/5tlbhyla/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025-_vf.pdf

Solar and On-shore wind are the two cheapest forms of electricity production. Combined cycle gas is third, depending upon location.

“Build a road to each one and destroy wildlife habitat”

Have you seen what the oil and gas industry does to the land? Each well head requires a road as well, and a pad, and a tailings pond, especially for fracked wells. Go to google maps right now and zoom in on west texas. All that visible scare tissue on the land isnt from wind turbines.

OK, I just spent the last hour+ reviewing your research. First of all, the estimate for gas prices are above the actual $MMBTU. Also, (I read it quickly) the total cost of the combined gas/coal was inclusive of the decommissioning and reclaimation costs. I could not find where the reclaimation costs were included in the wind assumptions. Some of the comparisons were not apples-apples, with the cost of storage (only needed for the 'renewables' type energy). I found no cost of reclaimation for the batteries/storage either.

If wind is such a great deal, start a company and create all this cheap energy WITHOUT BEING SUBSIDIZED by TAX PAYERS. !!!

AJ

 

[Brent in Az]

Oh yes, the "but, but, we couldn't vote for her!" defense. And I suppose about now Harris would be declaring herself the Virgin Mary? You know, somehow I just don't think that's her style. But Trump? Yeah, him posing as the Messiah does not surprise me. Not at all. I mean, that's all the guy talks about is how great he is ... in sentences of no more than six words containing two syllables or less.

Trump certainly lives rent free in your head. A tight fit no doubt.

 

[Altitude sickness]

As I mentioned above, in straight arithmatic this approach clearly makes sense. But it does not coincide with the reality on the ground.

There are a large number of illegal aliens already in the United States and more trying to get in every day. It costs money to stop the ones coming, and it costs money to root out and move out the ones already in.

The question then becomes one of resource allocation doesn't it? If you need to spend $X in alleviating the illegal alien problem and it would prevent say 15 murders, but if you spent the same $X on general crime prevention and you prevent 16 murders than from a crime prevention point of view you don't prioritize illegal aliens.

Now, it is only part of the picture, as I mentioned much earlier there are other rational reasons for well controlled borders, but the crime argument is a weak one.

And to paint an inaccurate picture of illegal aliens as hordes of bloodthirsty criminals is misleading and more than a little xenophobic.

Now add in the cost of illegals taking education, medical, social safety net resources.

After the Biden open floodgates. And flights into the interior.

The chief issue was not the immigrant looking for work and a better life for his family it was the violent gang bangers, mentally ill released from El Salvador and Venezuela prisons.

The human trafficking, minors lost to Coyotes handing them off to the human traffickers in the U.S.

If you do the math on that slice of Biden’s 3.5 year intentional assault and leave out the remaining millions here peacefully. It’s a different story.

It’s the same fuzzy math used in “gun violence” by the left. Remove every major Democrat city’s numbers, and black on Black crime, suicide.

And gun crime causes less injuries than by tennis rackets, hammers and knives.

Numbers don’t lie, but statisticians do

 

[deewayne2003]

As I mentioned above, in straight arithmatic this approach clearly makes sense. But it does not coincide with the reality on the ground.

There are a large number of illegal aliens already in the United States and more trying to get in every day. It costs money to stop the ones coming, and it costs money to root out and move out the ones already in.

The question then becomes one of resource allocation doesn't it? If you need to spend $X in alleviating the illegal alien problem and it would prevent say 15 murders, but if you spent the same $X on general crime prevention and you prevent 16 murders than from a crime prevention point of view you don't prioritize illegal aliens.

Now, it is only part of the picture, as I mentioned much earlier there are other rational reasons for well controlled borders, but the crime argument is a weak one.

And to paint an inaccurate picture of illegal aliens as hordes of bloodthirsty criminals is misleading and more than a little xenophobic.

FYI only 3% of the American population took up arms against the British and look how that worked out.

I think the claims of "xenophobia" are the same north and south of the border.... anything disliked by a certain political mindset is instantly ... RACIST, xenophobic, patriarchy, alt right, (Insert random piss and moan to discredit anything contrary to my nose ring and purple hair ilk)

France - Marseille France, Highest immigrant population in France, highest crime rate in France and one of the highest crime rates in all of Europe; with 55% of the overall crime rate committed by immigrants.

UK - The UK after years of shameless immigration produced more ISIS fighters annually than recruits for the UK military for years on end.

Don't believe me?..... Here is one of your fellow Canadians that is trilingual who travels extensively reporting on issues.

Here she is describing how the Mexican Cartels have operations in the port of Vancouver and how the Canadian authorities told her there were no such operations.....After she had already been inside them!

But then again I'm sure she is a member of the xenophobic, alt right, fascist regime, patriarchy oppression monster conjured up in the witches caldron of Donald Trump......

So you can immediately dismiss her work.

 

[Scott CWO]

The facts say otherwise:

https://www.lazard.com/media/5tlbhyla/lazards-lcoeplus-june-2025-_vf.pdf

Solar and On-shore wind are the two cheapest forms of electricity production. Combined cycle gas is third, depending upon location.

“Build a road to each one and destroy wildlife habitat”

Have you seen what the oil and gas industry does to the land? Each well head requires a road as well, and a pad, and a tailings pond, especially for fracked wells. Go to google maps right now and zoom in on west texas. All that visible scare tissue on the land isnt from wind turbines.

That’s not how it works anymore with directional drilling. They are drilling five wells from one pad now. Need to update your information.

Wind is not the most efficient. It’s a joke and will never be a primary source of electricity for the USA. Your “source” isn’t counting everything. It’s not an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Wheels]

Trump sure likes choke points:

Panama Canal

GIUK gap

Straits of Hormuz

Now Straits of Malacca

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043723170734125169

 

[Killingtime]

Trump sure likes choke points:

Panama Canal

GIUK gap

Straits of Hormuz

Now Straits of Malacca

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043723170734125169

25% of trade heck yea id control it to

 

[tinktink12]

 

[Brent in Az]

Swalwell to resign from Congress.
I'm surprised the degenerate Democrats didn't circle the wagons around him.

 

[Brent in Az]

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Add Xenophobic to that list

 

[Hunt anything]

Sir have you seen the wind fields? in Texas around amarillo, midwestern states like Wisconsin/Illinois or east Colorado/west Kansas? There pretty unsightly. Always loaded with dead birds under them. And the solar fields down here in the south ruin good grazing and agricultural ground. The ones put in the north make me really wonder the real purpose since it’s the best ag land in America and snows 1/3 the year so not the best use for solar.

While you may be right on cost of new wind systems being cheap per mwh it’s unrealistic to think that America can run on wind and solar as a standalone or even majority. Even Elon musk says that’s not possible…I’m not saying you are saying that only that the argument for wind and solar used constantly is for its total replacement of fossil fuels.

100%! I’ve made the drive from Wichita Falls to Amarillo at least once a year since 2004, I was always glad to get out of WF because of the great wildlife viewing. Fields with wall to wall Sandhill cranes and geese and if we hit it at the correct time of day whitetail and mule deer with an occasional pronghorn. I was disgusted when I saw many of those fields and hedge rows covered in solar panels, that acreage never to support a thriving wildlife population again. Sure the animals and birds found other suitable habitat but they very well could be pushed out of them as well.

One of our favorite crane fields had some wind turbines around it and listening to that steady whoosh-whoosh of the giant blades gave everyone hunting a severe headache, when we finished hunting that afternoon my now deceased friend and guide said he wanted to show us something, we went and looked through the fence and could see 2 golden eagles, a feruginous hawk and a couple of piles of crane feathers. There’s no telling how many neo-tropical migrant birds had died that we just couldn’t see.
Some people may not realize that the bird doesn’t have to actually hit a turbine blade but if they get caught in a down draft created by the blade they are slammed into the ground. I can’t remember how fast the ends of the blades are traveling but it is very substantial.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I would have loved to been included in the conference call when Nancy Pelosi gave CNN their marching orders. For them to help get rid of Swalwell.

The deal was made in advance. That if the Republicans would agree to loose Gonzales the Democrats would broom Swalwell.

There is another side deal going to make it a total of 2 D’s and 2 R’s getting the broom. Who said there isn’t Bipartisanship.

It’s actually nice to see politicians get fired. But hilarious to watch CNN dancing on the end of the Democrat strings.

Posted over an hour ago. Before he announced. But everyone knew the party had already decided he had to go.

 

[AJ Peacock]

Add Xenophobic to that list

Add 'Process Argument' --- It's the right thing, just doing it wrong!

AJ